Yes vs Starcastle
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Topic: Yes vs Starcastle
Posted By: Cristi
Subject: Yes vs Starcastle
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 09:29
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second attempt to post, captcha killed it first. choose and explain a bit (if you want to)
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 09:51
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Yes. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 10:44
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Tormato is much maligned but I find it highly entertaining. While I was always enjoyed Starcastle's technical prowess and ability to sound like Yes, there's very little there that sounds like something new. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 11:27
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YES! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 11:28
| ^ I hope you judge the albums in the poll and not the bands overall. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 14:16
| well Starcastle is not music I would ever waste my time on---so mediocre Yes any day of the week. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 14:56
why not? What have you heard by them that made you consider them "a waste of time"? You'd probably rather listen to Abacab instead of let's say Script... ? (such a shame emoticons don't work...)
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twosteves wrote:Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 16:21
| Both are decent but Yes is Yes and Starcastle is Starcastle. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 16:31
I don't get it is "both" you're referring to the albums or the bands? The idea is to choose between these two albums from 1978.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 30 2017 at 17:12
| Starcastle for me. I really like their first 2 releases. I like tormato too, but I fell a little disappointed with YES during that period. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 01 2017 at 00:55
| it seems I messed up the years, Citadel was released in 1977. Sorry about that. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: October 01 2017 at 06:13
| TORMATO |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: October 01 2017 at 07:04
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Little to choose between them IMO - both lousy. If there was ever anyone who could make me want to murder every single whale in the seven seas it's Jon Anderson. And I'm generally quite well-disposed towards whales. But Starcastle match the embarrassment factor of non-prime Yes quite effectively. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: October 01 2017 at 07:55
any band that mimics another band in an obvious mediocre way is funny to me---and can't really appreciate it---especially if they are no were near as interesting players---and I own and like parts of both Abacab and Script--but to each their own-
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 02 2017 at 06:32
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I would vote for either of the first two Starcastle albums over Tormato but not Citadel voted Yes ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 02 2017 at 10:28
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preferably neither ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 04 2017 at 15:53
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: October 04 2017 at 21:17
well Tormato is widely viewed as a mediocre Yes album---compared to the 5 before it
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 04:55
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I've been a Yes fanboy since the latter half of the 80's. I bought Starcastle's debut in the mid-90's, competent, but cheezeball. Never went any further with Starcastle's catalogue. Dunno why I still hold onto their album - I spin it maybe once every few years ........ |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 12:03
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If there was no Yes, Starcastle would have had to copy some other band instead. I still laugh at their first album, and the rank plagiarism.
There's a huge difference between innovators and clones. They shouldn't be grouped together as though they're alike.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 12:08
plagiarism? you may accuse them of imitation, lack of originality, but not plagiarism.
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Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 12:16
No, I will accuse them of plagiarism because that's what they're guilty of. There are lots of bands that use familiar themes from other bands, but not to the extent they did. I'm a musician, and am very familiar with Yes' music. Analyzing Starcastle from a musician's and songwriting standpoint, I see them taking actual Yes melodies and inverting them and altering them slightly to where it's not obvious to most what they're doing. Then they add some new words to further cover their tracks. I've picked on their games and tactics. It's utterly shameful what they did. The vocal harmonizings and phrasings are also exact copies of patterns unique to Yes.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 12:46
what exactly are those themes? it's just Yes worship, you either like it or hate it. The same way The Watch is Genesis worship. I do like The Watch more than Starcastle though.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 16:21
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Posted By: SquonkHunter
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 20:01
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You'll be hard pressed to find a stronger or longer Yes fan than me but I have to go with Starcastle on this one. OK, so they copied the style and sound of Yes. I don't hate them for it, I just look at it as having even more material of a style I already like anyway. They were certainly highly skilled musicians and had a very good studio sound. Their overall feel does strike me as more "cheerful" than Yes, if that makes any sense. I don't think those guys could have done dark music no matter how hard they tried. I always thought of them as sort of a "Yes light". Not as good as Yes, for sure, but certainly not bad either. Their biggest flaw was that they came on the scene a few years too late to make a lasting impression. By the time they were beginning to hit their stride, Prog was in a death spiral. ------------- "You never had the things you thought you should have had and you'll not get them now..." |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 20:06
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The funny thing is Starcastle claimed they weren't even fans of Yes. They admitted to knowing who they were but they said they were more influenced by Stravinsky and classical. Lol. Anyway, I don't know that Starcastle album so I won't vote. As a band I think they are ok. Their stuff is often a bit too overblown and not very memorable imo. Some good stuff here and there but it's sort of like Styx wanting to be a full blown prog band. Lol.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 21:20
oh I agree with you 100%---I have never understood any interest in this band---so Starcastle is sickening to me for that reason---you can be influenced by someone but please come up with a better music. Don't copy something that is nowhere near as good as the music that inspired you.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 06 2017 at 08:19
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Gary Strater, R.I.P. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 06 2017 at 19:02
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I would choose a recording of Steve Howe gargling over his bathroom sink rather than Starcastle. Even the name "Starcastle" reeks of tackiness. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: October 07 2017 at 15:55
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None, not good albums for me |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 21 2018 at 12:56
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Even (one of) the worst from Yes is still great. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |