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Topic: Trespass - an overlooked Genesis classic?
Posted By: Squonk19
Subject: Trespass - an overlooked Genesis classic?
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 12:54
Even a regular diver back into the Genesis back catalogue like myself still overlooks Trespass more than I should. While it has a naivity and rawness to it of a band finding its feet and a low-fi production quality (this is the album Steven Wilson should have a go at remixing to give it that extra kick), I am always pleasantly surprised by its charm, pastoral feel and song quality.

The Knife is an obvious favourite (you could have knocked me down with a feather when it was played on the 1980 Duke tour at the Manchester Apollo). I'm sure Marillion had this in mind when they produced Market Square Hereos. I've seen 'White Mountain' performed superbly by the UK tribute band - Los Endos too. However, I think Stagnation is a fantastic track and is the clear forerunner to The Musical Box and Supper's Ready, and I often keep forgetting it is Ant playing rather than Steve at times.

I'm not trying to raise it above the classic albums that followed, but, with the slight reservations I've mentioned, is it an album that you revisit from time to time and enjoy? If so, do you have a favourite track?

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 13:09
Good album and I also don't play it enough......so with that in mind I'll play it as I do the house work since the wife is actually at work.

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 13:12
I've always thought it was one of Genesis's top 4 or 5 albums.


Posted By: Blinkyjoh
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 13:19
I mostly play modern stuff lately, perpetually catching up with new releases from bands reviewed here, but ya, this is one of my long time favs .

I think the next few albums are better, but this one just feels easier to listen to.
Off the top of my head, i think Visions of Angels is probably my favourite track.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 14:51
Hmm..perhaps familiarity breeds contempt? Or maybe some boredom, but Trespass is an absolute prog classic.

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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 15:12
I am very, very fond of Trespass; It was one of the first Genesis lps I ever heard and its intimacy is what strikes me most. The Knife is the odd track out in a way but reflects how they started their set with gentle acoustic numbers and built up to a climax. I also like some of the Trespass out-takes (which appear on the 'hiding place' bootleg and the 1967-75 archives set in BBC session form) which continue to show the more pastoral and fragile sounding early Genesis. It is naÔve sounding, a group of unsure young men and that's its charm.. I like the original John Anthony 'Muddy' production and although the 2007 Nick Davis re-mix makes the sound cleaner I feel it looses a bit of the original sense of the 'spirit of the time' but i'm sure many wouldn't agree and that's fine. The section of 'Stagnation' that was built into the 76-77 live versions of 'I know what I like always puts a bit of a lump in my throat.. Great to hear Los Endos doing that version recently.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 15:42
I think it's over looked too although maybe not by most hardcore Genesis fans. I think because it didn't have Steve or Phil on it is why. Also, I give it bonus points because it was released the year I was born. Smile


Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 16:16
Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:


I am very, very fond of Trespass; It was one of the first Genesis lps I ever heard and its intimacy is what strikes me most. The Knife is the odd track out in a way but reflects how they started their set with gentle acoustic numbers and built up to a climax. I also like some of the Trespass out-takes (which appear on the 'hiding place' bootleg and the 1967-75 archives set†in BBC session form) which continue to show the more pastoral and fragile sounding early Genesis. It is naÔve sounding, a group of unsure young men†and that's its charm.. I like the original John Anthony 'Muddy' production and although the 2007 Nick Davis re-mix makes the sound cleaner I feel it looses a bit of the original sense of the 'spirit of the time' but i'm sure many wouldn't agree and that's fine. The section of 'Stagnation' that was built into the 76-77 live versions of 'I know what I like always puts a bit of a lump in my throat.. Great to hear Los Endos doing that version recently.

Good points made - I also picked up on the 'Stagnation' bit that Los Endos played during the Seconds Out set and it brought a real smile on my face and some hairs standing up on the back of the neck! I'd forgotten it was in that version of 'I Know What I Like'!

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Posted By: progmanjum
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 16:55
It was always one of my favorites. And thankfully one of my wife's favorites as well.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 17:02
Hey, if anyone knows of any albums that are similar to this one please let me know(other than AP solo albums that is). 


Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 17:02
vision of angels is my fav


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 18:42
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Trespass is an absolute prog classic.


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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 19:37
Top 2 of the Gabriel era. Fox and Tres are the strong ones.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 19:55
I think the secret's out. It's pretty much caught on as one of the classics. Personally i think it's my favorite. Against the grain for sure but it has something that they lost with Philips. On the other hand Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme are extremely boring to these ears. I can't listen to them at all and don't find them interesting until Selling England. In fact i'd rather listen to the pop stuff of the 80s! Shocked

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 21:15
Yeah, as a whole it may actually be the most pleasant Genesis album I have heard... yet it lacks the highlights other albums have (the closest would be "The Knife"). However, if you like this, you may like Anthony Phillip's "The Geese and the Ghost" too, it sort of has a similar feel, but even less song centered. I guess other Phillip's albums would be advisable too, but that's the one I know.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 08 2017 at 21:18
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Hey, if anyone knows of any albums that are similar to this one please let me know(other than AP solo albums that is).†


Perhaps Big Big Train last albums (since the Underfall Yard, and particularly the English Electric ones)... though I guess they have more of a Steve Hackett era feel more than a Phillips era. Or Harmonium (specially the fifth season one... though I guess the first one could be considered too).


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 02:06
It's a pretty strong debut album. I count it as a debut album in the same way I regard the Days of Future Passed by The Moody Blues as their debut album, which of course techncially it isn't....

Whatever..

It's the first true Genesis album, and you can hear the Genesis sound and style taking shape. It's a bit rough around the edges, and as musicians they were still learning, although I doubt I could have played the drums even as well as John Mayhew at that age.

The Knife and Stagnation are may favourite tracks, but it's pretty consistent start to finish.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 02:06
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Trespass is an absolute prog classic.

True. The only thing that lets it down is the appalling recording quality.


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 04:08
Iíve always considered Trespass a great, classic album, mainly because of what it represents, the beginning of a great journey for a great, influential band, but also for the great music on it.


Posted By: felonafan
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 05:37
perhaps, Trespass is the best album of the band. Each song is very great!


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 05:52
Trespass was a giant step towards artistic maturity for Genesis. Side 1 is pretty good, side 2 reaches masterpiece level (Stagnation, The Knife). Compared to this one, FGtR sounded like a schoolboy album, a dragon launched too young. 

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Hey, if anyone knows of any albums that are similar to this one please let me know(other than AP solo albums that is). 

You might give  https://cameliasgarden.bandcamp.com/album/you-have-a-chance" rel="nofollow - Camelias Garden  a chance. It sounds rather pastoral in a way, thus reminding me of Trespass.


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 07:16
It is my favourite Genesis album; there is something so special about Trespass-an atmosphere all it's own.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 07:49
Regarding things ' like Trespass'......one of my favorites is Fantasy....especially the second one called Beyond the Beyond.



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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 08:07
Very good album but the real magic started on the next release.


Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 09:04
Love it.  I love others more, but I still come back to this one again and again.  Stagnation is the pick for me.  The build into Peter's ferocious vocal is mind-blowing. 


Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 14:55
Excellent album. I give it much more time then any of the Gabriel led albums up to the Lamb. No bad tracks here. For me The Knife is the track that sticks out but not in a good way.


Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 17:39
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Very good album but the real magic started on the next release.

I agree. 


Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 17:44
What's interesting is, they literally got better with each release through their first 5 albums(imo). How many bands can you say that about? And I even like the first album, although it sounds very 60's.  


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 19:11
I've always loved Trespass...especially Visions of Angels & Looking for Someone Wink


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 19:23
Visions of Angels is good. Over all I would say the best tracks are "the knife" and "stagnation." The only one that's not that great is "dusk."


Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: November 09 2017 at 19:43
Man I dig "Dusk". Gorgeous little bugger.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 10 2017 at 00:41
The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 10 2017 at 03:07
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).


That surprises me, re; the Genesis live version. I much prefer the live version, mostly thanks to Collins

I love Stagnation too. A contender for best track on the album alongside The Knife.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 10 2017 at 07:54
White Mountain, baby.

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Posted By: lostrom
Date Posted: November 10 2017 at 10:58
Overlooked? It is highly regarded - and rightfully so.

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Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: November 10 2017 at 11:23
I really like and always preferred it to Nursery Cryme until recently (Salamacis and I didn't click well until a few weeks ago). I usually rank it on par with Trick of the Tail. Its definitely rawer and tracks like White Mountain and Stagnation (great track, but it could've used a little more structure) show that they were still learning how to flesh out a song properly, but tracks like Looking for Someone and The Knife show how could they were at composing at even such a young age. 


Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: November 10 2017 at 16:21
I play Trespass frequently. I never overlooked it. It's a very rare gem. One thing you can't do is listen to any Neo Prog and hear Trespass. It really has a very unique flavor among the five, while still foreshadowing all of them. My favorites are Looking for Someone, White Mountain, and Dusk...it's all good except for Visions of Angels, which I often skip over, but even that's better than some weak tracks on some of the other five. It's so interesting hearing how they achieved such symphonic sound without the aid of a mellotron (I marvel at the same thing with Focus too).

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Posted By: Big Swifty
Date Posted: November 11 2017 at 01:50
Probably my least-played Genesis record. Some great cuts on there. The Knife is my favorite track.


Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 02:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).
That's really interesting you say that. To me the Collins version of The Knife, in Genesis Live (1973) is so much better, yet as an album, I prefer Trespass, without Collins, to Nursery Cryme, with Collins.

It's the same with Script For A Jester's Tear, which is an album I really love. I so much prefer Mosley to Pointer as a drummer, yet Script For A Jester's Tear is a much better album than Fugazi. Maybe it's the fact that the first Marillion album features their best material which they are anxious to release first.

Then with Trespass you have a situation where Anthony Phillips favours 12-string guitar over Steve Hackett, who favours electric guitar. So if Steve Hackett had played on the Trespass studio album would the album had been just as good. All you can say is that Trespass recorded with Phil Collins and Steve Hackett would have been a much different album to the album we listen to. But would it have been better? Who can say?


Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 16:17
I love Trespass; there's nothing overlooked about it. I think it was the third album that I heard from them, borrowed from a good friend of mine, and eventually my own.


Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 17:00
You've answered my original question folks - many thanks. Very pleased to see most of you enjoy Trespass as much as the other early Genesis albums. Overlooked? Definitely not, thankfully.😀

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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 17:03
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Regarding things ' like Trespass'......one of my favorites is Fantasy....especially the second one called Beyond the Beyond.

 
Love the title track. First album cooler imo. Sounds nothing like Genesis though


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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 16 2017 at 04:56
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I play Trespass frequently. I never overlooked it. It's a very rare gem. One thing you can't do is listen to any Neo Prog and hear Trespass. It really has a very unique flavor among the five, while still foreshadowing all of them. My favorites are Looking for Someone, White Mountain, and Dusk...it's all good except for Visions of Angels, which I often skip over, but even that's better than some weak tracks on some of the other five. It's so interesting hearing how they achieved such symphonic sound without the aid of a mellotron (I marvel at the same thing with Focus too).

Loads of mellotron on Trespass.....


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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: November 16 2017 at 14:44
It's pretty pure prog prototype, alright. It's been difficult for me to get into, though, but I do enjoy Gabriel's youthful vocals on it. It definitely was a bellwether as to what they'd become in a few short years.

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: November 16 2017 at 16:21
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I play Trespass frequently. I never overlooked it. It's a very rare gem. One thing you can't do is listen to any Neo Prog and hear Trespass. It really has a very unique flavor among the five, while still foreshadowing all of them. My favorites are Looking for Someone, White Mountain, and Dusk...it's all good except for Visions of Angels, which I often skip over, but even that's better than some weak tracks on some of the other five. It's so interesting hearing how they achieved such symphonic sound without the aid of a mellotron (I marvel at the same thing with Focus too).


Loads of mellotron on Trespass.....
Hmm...yes, once I look at the album info, Banks is indeed credited on Trespass with mellotron. I was confused by recollections of a later purchase of a mellotron from King Crimson, but I suppose now that this must have been for live work outside the studio. Now I ought to listen to Trespass again, as I am happy to. I had presumed that all the keyboard parts were produced by organ.

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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 16 2017 at 19:45
Originally posted by Prog Sothoth Prog Sothoth wrote:

Man I dig "Dusk". Gorgeous little bugger.

Me too! 

Side One was good, but not great. Side Two is among the bands' best. Period. The opening and closing songs, "Stagnation" and "The Knife" are among the creepiest and powerful vocal and musical performances they ever did and "Dusk" is among the most gorgeous, purely pastoral songs (fore-shadowing Ant's solo career) containing an absolutely magical PG vocal performance--in the same league, IMHO, as that of "The Lamia."




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Posted By: thief
Date Posted: November 17 2017 at 00:01
Personally, I consider Trespass a stepping stone, an artistic success, and definitely a Unique piece of music. I'd rather have this naive-fairytale-ethereal vibe than saccharine compositions of A Trick of the Tail or Wind and Wuthering. Admittedly, subpar production and undeveloped songwriting skills hurt this album a bit... but still, Trespass is the first Genesis record that sends me to a pleasant, fantasy world of high castles and pre-raphaelite gardens, so beautifully hinted on the album cover. Post-Gabriel albums, while good, RARELY send me anywhere. And this is the reason I listen to prog in the first place.

But I must say this: when it comes to rating, currently Trespass might be a little overrated on Progarchives. Average of 4.16 is much higher than Benefit, The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other or In the Wake of Poseidon - all of them being more accomplished and progressive (also released in 1970).


Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 17 2017 at 13:30
Despite being credited on the sleeve, the Mellotron doesn't figure big on Trespass at all.. much of it was written and worked up before they actually owned one (I think they had either borrowed one or there was one for use in the studio when they recorded Trespass) and I think it was just before they started recording Nursery Cryme when they purchased the ex- Crimson one.

Has anyone listened to the 'Genesis plays Jackson' 1969 demo on the 1970-1975 boxset?? it was something that I had been waiting for many, many years and for a long time thought lost.. Originally parts of 'The Movement' which was worked up whilst they were living at the Cottage and used for a proposed arts programme about the painter, Michael Jackson and contained parts which would later appear in Trespass, Nursery Cryme and the Lamb lies down.. but sadly it was aborted.. Produced by Paul Samwell-Smith after Peter Gabriel's flute session for Cat Stevens..


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 22 2017 at 21:31
Thereís something with Trespass that the other Genesis albums lack. I donít quite know what it is, but Trespass is possibly my favourite album from the PG period.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 23 2017 at 04:29
I love Jim's review of it (man I miss him):

'5 stars Perhaps in my top 25
Trespass is a very special Genesis album. It is the only Genesis album which featured my favorite band line-up and if you look at the overall album rather than individual songs, I'm not sure they ever made a finer album. I can't overstate how important Anthony Phillips and Peter Gabriel are to my idea of the perfect Genesis. (After Lamb Genesis would fall several notches for me starting with the fairly weak Trick of the Tail.) While Steve Hackett and Phil Collins may have been technically more gifted than their predecessors, it is not technical savvy alone that makes great music. Trespass was the perfect marriage of youthful naivety, sentimentalism, band chemistry, and great songs. Everything comes together so perfectly here. After their debut, Genesis picked up their new drummer John Mayhew and gigged around working on new material and getting tight as a group. Mayhew is no Phil Collins in the technical sense but as I mentioned I welcome that. He gets the job done without overplaying and is perfectly adequate for this album. Much more important is the presence of Ant Phillips who is the heart and soul of Trespass. With his songwriting influences and gorgeous 12 string acoustic guitar playing, Trespass is awash in the same lush drapery that fills his later solo album The Geese and the Ghost. Ant is also a hugely underrated lead guitarist and his short solos and lead bursts are simply jaw dropping throughout. Gabriel is beyond fantastic with a youthful, soul-filled, passionate singing voice backed up by his significant flute passages, with probably more flute here than any other Genesis album. Released in 1970 Trespass caught Genesis up to Pink Floyd (Atom Heart Mother) in quality and while surging them ahead of Yes (Time and a Word) and King Crimson (Poseidon).

Musically Trespass is a feast for the ears and imagination, a celebration of times long gone, of medieval stories and myths. Ranging from softer acoustic sections to the aggressive rock of "The Knife," Trespass offers everything the Genesis fans needs but offers the extra delight of Phillips delicate touch and leadership. The youthful Gabriel is stunning in his intensity on "Looking for Someone." Listen to the way Banks and Phillips back up Pete during the early vocals, these gorgeous little runs dropped just perfectly, with an attention to detail every bit as effective as they would achieve on any of their higher rated albums. And I'd argue they are *more* musically pleasing on this one. Fantastic dramatic development and pastoral melodic grandeur are nearly non-stop throughout. "White Mountain" is all about mood sounding like an early lost Renaissance track. "Visions of Angels" is a leftover from the first album's sessions but was spruced up for inclusion here. It sounds very similar to the songs from the first YES album and is superb despite being noticeably different in feel from the other five songs here. Listen to the care Mayhew brings to the piece, there is certainly no reason whatsoever to feel shorted by Collins absence on Trespass. "Stagnation" was Tony Bank's favorite because it moved quickly from one passage to the next. It is perhaps the most elegant and mature piece of songwriting shifting between moods and styles. "Dusk" is a mellower favorite with lovely vocal harmonies and blended acoustic guitars over bell and flute. "Musical hot fudge" as my better half offered while we walked under the cold moon tonight talking about the album. And then comes "The Knife." Every bit as energetic and feisty as "Watcher of the Skies" or "Epping Forest" it is the transitional track from the calmer waters of Trespass to the increasingly more rocking albums ahead. Again, listening to the performances here I find Hackett having nothing over Phillips and Mayhew perfectly suited without any pretension.

Not only is Trespass a masterpiece in my book but I honestly think it may be the single finest Genesis album, at least if you are looking for heart. I think it really outperforms both Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot-both of those albums have some higher individual moments but also some lower ones. If you combined the best Cryme/Foxtrot moments you'd have another masterpiece, but compare the three side by side and I'll choose Trespass which is so much more alive! Give the new remaster a fresh listen and see if it doesn't capture your heart.'



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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 23 2017 at 05:34
I think I gave trespass five stars - as it's a very important release in terms of symphonic progressive rock and it's early evolution. Not in my top 25 though - but maybe in my top 200. And it was bettered by all the following genesis releases until ATTWT except TOTT which I feel is slightly inferior and WAW which is equal.
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Posted By: Antůnio Dias
Date Posted: November 23 2017 at 14:26
Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

perhaps, Trespass is the best album of the band. Each song is very great!
Yes!!! Although it's a good album the next 5 albums in a row are way much better: Nursery Crime 71, Foxtrot 72, Selling England by the Pound 73, The Lamb lies down on Broadway 74, A trick of the tail 76


Posted By: Antůnio Dias
Date Posted: November 23 2017 at 14:31
Sorry I'm new here!!I wrote "Yes" but I ment Yes  as beeing overlooked, because it's a good album but not beeing the best Genesis album, no way!!


Posted By: doomguy
Date Posted: November 24 2017 at 19:22
Love this album! Anthony Phillips is a great musician that I feel is a bit underrated somehow. I mean it's tough when the guy that replaces you is Steve Hackett, but his solo career is beautiful and I love how his guitar sounds in Stagnation especially. Just beautiful.

My first post here! (:


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 01:59
Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).
That's really interesting you say that. To me the Collins version of The Knife, in Genesis Live (1973) is so much better, yet as an album, I prefer Trespass, without Collins, to Nursery Cryme, with Collins.

It's the same with Script For A Jester's Tear, which is an album I really love. I so much prefer Mosley to Pointer as a drummer, yet Script For A Jester's Tear is a much better album than Fugazi. Maybe it's the fact that the first Marillion album features their best material which they are anxious to release first.

Then with Trespass you have a situation where Anthony Phillips favours 12-string guitar over Steve Hackett, who favours electric guitar. So if Steve Hackett had played on the Trespass studio album would the album had been just as good. All you can say is that Trespass recorded with Phil Collins and Steve Hackett would have been a much different album to the album we listen to. But would it have been better? Who can say?

I think I may be alone in my feelings about The Knife as you echo many others views. The Knife is all about the keyboard and nothing else for me. You could almost do it with a drum machine and it would still work fine. 

Fugazi is my Favourite Fish era Marillion album. Never was a fan of Script regardless of the slightly poor drumming. IQ was where it was at for meTongue


Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 15:37

It starts and ends very well (Looking For Someone, The Knife, the latter standing out as one of the band's loudest tracks), and the rest, although not outstanding, is worth listening several times. Overall an OK record, overshadowed by the band's following four titles. 



Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 16:47
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I love Jim's review of it (man I miss him):


Yes, it is overlooked and I also remember and loved his review of it!  

Miss his posts/reviews as well, hope all is OK with him and just taking a leave of absence of the PA.  My RPI experience would most likely be non-existent without his guidance...


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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 17:03
It was a huge jump from 'From Genesis to Revelation' to Trespass; a much, much greater progression than from Trespass to Nursery Cryme (in fact, as far as the band were concerned NC was a bit of stand-still, still much of which was composed from left-over parts of 'the Movement').. and naturally looking back after all the successful albums
which came later, it may seem naÔve and a little primitive but this is the real birth and in my personal view, nearly the purest essence of 'Genesis'


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Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: November 27 2017 at 10:10
the knife and looking for someone are the best for me


Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: November 27 2017 at 11:12
The Knife is my favorite. First track Looking For Someone also very good. 
The rest of the album is kind of dull and I usually skip it.

Highlights of this album is more prominent usage of flute , and more guitars (Banks and Rutherford also contributed on acoustic guitars) 




Posted By: TiddK
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 05:38
I do like Trespass a lot. However, I have to bear two things in mind:

1. The influence of Anthony Phillips is very very strong on this - and if you listen to his solo work, it becomes rather obvious. So I'd call Trespass a 'Genesis with Anthony Phillips' album really. And the band did change a lot when Phil Collins and Steve Hackett joined.

2. I think the entire album is spoiled by the rather muddy mix - and this hasn't improved much with the Remixed version. There's a lack of clarity with the instrumentation generally, which doesn't in any way spoil the emotional 'feel' of the tracks, but does offend the hifi buff's ear!

But I think Trespass is more musically timeless than - say - Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, and has stood the test of time better. (I only recently discovered that The Knife was originally going to be called The Nice as the band members liked them!! I was also miffed to discover that the lyrics are Gabriel's satire on revolution, rather than a contemporary 'call to arms'; that's not what we thought in the early 70s when the track was our guiding light)


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 07:30
The Knife was probably the primary song that served as my gateway into pre-Abacab Genesis. It planted the seed which slowly grew until it blossomed into a full blown love of and preference for early to mid 70s Genesis. A couple of other songs like The Lamb, and Trick played a part but it was definitely The Knife that was the catalyst. 


Posted By: TiddK
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 08:51
Yeah - The Knife is a whole different feel to the other 5 tracks. Stands on its own really.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 09:08
Hmmm. I like Looking for Someone and The Knife a lot as songs, and White Mountains and Stagnation are also fine (the other two don't do much for me). I like the vocals and guitars on this album a lot, but I can't get round the dull sound of the rhythm section. The Knife is so much sharper on the 1973 Live album, I can hardly bring myself to listen to it on Trespass, and this bugs me over the full distance of the album. So not really a favourite of mine although it clearly has its merits.


Posted By: TiddK
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 10:45
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Hmmm. I like Looking for Someone and The Knife a lot as songs, and White Mountains and Stagnation are also fine (the other two don't do much for me). I like the vocals and guitars on this album a lot, but I can't get round the dull sound of the rhythm session. The Knife is so much sharper on the 1973 Live album, I can hardly bring myself to listen to it in Trespass, and it bugs me over the full distance of the album. So not really a favourite of mine although it clearly has its merits.
Hi yes - that's what I meant above when I talked about the muddy mix. It is the one thing that really spoils the album.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 11:28
I like a lot Trespass, although itīs not as great as their next four albums. But it beats all the after-Gabriel -albums!
 
Also, I like the production and drumsounds, although theyīre really different than in their later albums.


Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 08 2018 at 22:48

Folks in Belgium didnít overlook it; they took it to #1, to the surprise of Charisma, who then sent them there to tour and do television appearances.

 

I do agree about the muddy production (rather like the first Camel album) but overall that hasnít affected my own enjoyment of it.  Itís one of those records Iíve thought of as having a unique feel to it that has never been duplicated.



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Posted By: Old Father Thames
Date Posted: September 09 2018 at 17:03
Trespass is an incredible album and deserves a lot more attention and praise than it gets. Judging from this thread it seems that is happening.Smile


Posted By: Tero1
Date Posted: September 12 2018 at 17:51
It still has touches of Genesis to Revelation. Peterís vocals and overall arrangements.


Posted By: Scorpius
Date Posted: September 13 2018 at 15:31
Trespass is actually tied for my fav genesis album, the other being LLDOB. I've always seen it as one of their strongest efforts, and its a shame that it isnt talked about more.

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Posted By: GrafHaarschnitt
Date Posted: September 16 2018 at 08:46
Actually of all the prog albums its the one that gets me into ancient and fairy tale mood the most its really epic in a medieval sense.



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