Bad Choices
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Topic: Bad Choices
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Subject: Bad Choices
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 07:39
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I gave up on Yes after purchasing Talk, as I was quite underwhelmed by that album. I remember walking into a Besr Buy a few years later, overcome by a sudden whim to catch up with my favorite group. I had a choice betweem something called Keys to Ascension II and another disc named Open Your Eyes. I made a BAD CHOICE!!!! What bad choices have you made? ------------- 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 07:52
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Tbh, most auto purchases of solo Roger Waters and David Gilmour. I felt obligated, in a way, to buy them. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 08:10
A lot back in the 80s when the only way to sample new music was to either hear it on the radio or hope you had a friend that bought the album first. I had a rule for myself that stated I had to like a minimum of two songs off of an album before I would consider buying it. Even with that rule, I still got burned on occasion. The exceptions to this rule were bands that were my favorites in the 80s. Rush, Triumph, Queensryche, and Iron Maiden were autobuys. Later, Sting and Kings X became other autobuy favorites, while I moved away from IM and Queensryche, and of course Triumph sadly went the way of the dodo.
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ghost_of_morphy wrote:Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 08:27
I'm guessing you picked Open Your Eyes then. I've not really heard it much but it tends to be voted their worst, or at least it was until the last one came out.
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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 09:57
Selling "Let There Be Rock" LP back in the eighties (when I converted to CDs I stupidely got snobish in the process - I'm partially cured, now  ) |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:08
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Purchasing horrible sound quality bootlegs at insane prices during my youth. Sold most of them at fairly good prices at the right time, though. ------------- |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:12
Buying Black Widow Records' releases on vinyl. I felt bad for spending considerably more money for incomplete versions of the albums, that weren't even mastered for vinyl 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:14
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Posted By: Kingsnake
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:16
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When I got into Jamiroquai in the late 90's, internet was not yet a big thing (not for me, anywaY), the same goes for Faith no More, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Incubus and a lot of other 'funky' alternative music. I bought hundreds of cd-singles and bootlegs, because, well yes, I am a collector. And popular music always has a lot of cd-singles, in different issues with different bonus-tracks etc. etc. Now I'm stuck with hundreds of Jamiroquai-cd singles, worth maybe thousands of euros, but in this day and age worth absolutely nothing. I spent so much money in the nineties and the first decade of 2000 on cds. They are worth absolutely nothing. And you know what I did? I sold over a 1000 lps back in the day and got a mere 200 guilders for them. I should've kept them. I had the biggest record-collection of anyone I know. Well, those were my bad choices. My good choice? Bandcamp and spotify! :D |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:25
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Good point about "autobuys" that keeps coming up. Rush was the biggest one for me. Everything after Signals was just wasted cash. There was also a time that Dream Theater was an autobuy. Really only find 2 albums listenable. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 10:52
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I have periodically purged my vinyl record collection and regretted it shortly after almost every time. Don't do that anymore. When moving recently, I also purged many of my CDs by importing them to my computer. Twice now that same computer has burped, so to speak, and threw many titles into obscure places where they could no longer be played. At this point, storage boxes are a preferable alternative. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 11:00
Spending far too much money on an original vinyl pressing of Pawn Hearts only to find that it sounded like Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music had been recorded over the album. No refunds the store said. Bad choice...especially considering I already had the cd  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 11:17
Far from breaking even, cependant, buy at $40 and sold at $15.  Couln't get rid of/still have most of my old Floyd boots...those were good purchases.  ------------- |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 11:29
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Almost every record fares I just haven´t got enough money to buy everything I want and I think I will buy some album in the next one. Of course the seller doesn´t have that anymore in the next fares after half year. Mostly I have found those albums later from discogs. One time in Finnish department store that sold vinyls cheap in the eighties I decided to buy "Ne Luumäet"album instead of first Radiopuhelimet album just because my brother was going to buy that Radiopuhelimet-album. There were many of those, but I thought because we both live home that time it would be useless to bought same as he. Didn´t think then I will not going to live rest of my life with him. I really like Ramones, but Ramo rock with finnish language didn´t attract me long so I have sold that Luumäet-album long time ago. Still love Radiopuhelimet and that album is now really expensive.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 11:39
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 12:38
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1) "A". After buying every Tull album the day it hit the store from Warchild on, "A" was the first time I really felt let down. Not just by the music, but the personnel changes as well...I could not imagine a Tull without Barrie on drums or John Evan on keys. It became the 1st Tull tour I didn't attend in 4 years. 2) "90125". Same story as Tull, I bought every Yes album from Relayer on (including the Anderson, Howe, Squire and Moraz solo albums...I had the good sense to steer clear of Ramshackled :-) the day they hit the store and loved them all. 90125 seemed to be such a 180 degree change of concept and direction...hated the album cover art, hated Squire's new tone and restrained approach and most of all, hated Trevor Rabin's style, sound and vocals. 3) "Discipline". Not that it's a bad album, but to me it just wasn't a King Crimson album. I hated Adrian Belew's vocals, it's like he was trying way too hard to seem weird...like a poor man's David Byrne. Fripp & Bruford's playing were so restrained as to be nearly unrecognizable, though they do cut loose in a couple places. And Tony Levin in place of John Wetton was a major disappointment. I love Tony's stick playing but have never cared for him as a bassist. Also never got into the whole guitar-gamelan thing with disciplined interlocking parts. I've always thought they should have followed their original plan and named both the album and the band Discipline. 4) "Masque". Ah yes, my love/hate relationship with Kansas :-) It's really more hate than love...anyway...when I was 1st getting into prog in '75, I had a 'prog mentor' who turned me on to a lot of great bands. He was a huge Kansas fan and was constantly raving about the Song for America and Masque albums. One day I saw Masque at the record store and checked it out. Prog cover art? Check. Long songs? Check. Proggy looking musician pictures on the back cover? Check. Purchase. So I get home and drop the needle on "It Takes a Woman's Love to Make a Man"...WTF is this? Are there maybe 2 bands called Kansas? Must be true cause this one isn't the prog Kansas I thought it was :-) Then I sit through "Two Cents Worth" and didn't need to hear any more. Took it back and got my money back. Years later I discovered the cool prog songs on the album and learned to just skip over the Don-Kirschner-says-this-will-get-us-on-the-radio rubbish that always tainted Kansas albums :-) ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 13:09
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Slapping down my hoarded coins for the double vinyl of ELP's Works Volume 1 as a mere slip of a lad. A major investment at the time, and what an overblown snooze fest it turned out to be. The only good thing to come out of it was that it turned me on to Prokofiev (yeah, Carl's side was the only half decent one of the four). ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 13:44
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Yeah, must have been quite a shock at the time but 'A' is a pretty strong Tull record...hope you've come to enjoy it somehow. ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 13:46
| The first King Crimson album I bought was "islands" which almost put me off them for good. Other than that one I can't think of many off the top of my head. |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 16:18
That's exactly what happened to me!! My 1st pressing Pawn Hearts skipped on Man-Erg in one section, and because I spent so much money on Discogs, I was upset. The guy said "THAT'S VERY GOOD CONDITION", something in very good condition should NOT skip then!! At least I can look at Paul Whitehead's work and appreciate it as a wonderful painting.. |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 16:25
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The COnstrukction of Light; because I wasn't ready to appreciate it yet |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 16:29
| Open your Eyes was a huge waste of money---and turned me into a Sherwood hater--because when I think about it everything he touches that is Yes---sucks. Including the current line up. For those of you that LOVE the Ladder be real it is ok but far from anything great and his songs on that album suck. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 17:01
No, never got on board the A train...Eddie Jobson + Tull never added up for me  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 17:24
| Against my better judgement, I bought some prog metal CDs on a friends recommendation. I never could get into the genre, but he convinced me that if I tried these bands, I would change my mind. It never happened, and the CDs collected dust for a while, before I gave them away. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 17:54
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Another regret: Fear of a Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree. I liked InAbsentia pretty well and loved Deadwing, but found FoaBP either derivative or dreary. So many reviewers on Prog Archives raved about the album I thought it had to be a winner. Nope. Snooze-fest. Turned me off to the band almost completely and I never want to buy another album by them ever again, no matter what anybody might have to say. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 18:12
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Purchasing any Slayer CD. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 18:18
When I was 8 years old, my mother took my brother and me into the Yellow Submarine film; my first big music experience. I loved it and tried to grab anything I could get hold of of the Beatles (at that age obviously it mainly meant getting stuff as a gift). 5 years or so later in puberty I was actually wise enough to discover prog, but I thought being a Beatles fan was no longer cool, so I sold off everything I had and that was quite a bit.  I made some bad choices later but not quite that bad. |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 18:44
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I've told this story before, but so what, here goes again... In college, a group of us spent two weeks waiting in line for Grateful Dead tickets. At the time, I had never heard a note the Grateful Dead had played. Anyway, got the tickets and then listened to a couple of albums - hated the Grateful Dead. The upside, sold the tickets, spent the evening alone in my dorm room listening to an album a friend had recommended - Wish You Were Here. Loved it immediately, still my favorite Floyd album. So, all-in-all, I guess a pretty good outcome !-) ------------- He neither drank, smoked, nor rode a bicycle. Living frugally, saving his money, he died early, surrounded by greedy relatives. It was a great lesson to me -- John Barrymore |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 19:02
LOL! I second that. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 19:10
Selling in the nineties my thousand original vinyls collection for 100 bucks! 
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 19:18
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^ Hein?! And I thought I was the King of all losers for trading my The Wall 2cd for a gram of weed. ------------- |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 20:08
| Made plenty in life, not so much in music. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 31 2018 at 22:09
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 01:44
Right? Senior year high school, I had to own ridiculous amounts of thrash metal on CD. What a waste, lmao. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 02:03
Anthrax for ever !! Then Slayer 
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 02:27
Funnily enough I was thinking of Anthrax when I made my last post in this thread. Spreading the Disease is my favorite. I still love Megadeth, but Slayer is garbage to my ears...and I love every extreme technical metal band they've inspired about 10x more (Death, Gorguts, Atheist, etc). Slayer just never did it for me, despite owning everything and seeing them live. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 02:37
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I got in eighties few friends that try to convince me how great Anthrax and Slayer was. No, I dig just Metallica and few others. There are only small part in my brains to metal. Some reason that I can´t fully understand I liked Sepultura few years later. Haven´t listened it for many years, I think I will put some of their albums some day...
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 03:15
I never liked Stupid Dream or Ligtbulb Sun. I read countless rave reviews of both albums, but both left me yawning. I actually enjoyed FOABP for a few months, but my enthusiam burnt out quickly. I still like Deadwing, In Ansentia and Signify. The Incident is completely unremarkable. I won;t be buying any more PT either. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Kingsnake
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 03:15
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When I got into southern rock and heavy rock in my early 20's, my favorite bands were Lynyrd Skynyrd and Motorhead. The complete opposite of progrock. Although Lynyrd Skynyrd isn't as redneck as you would think, and I still like it. But I got a Motorhead tattoo, a Lynyrd Skynyrd tattoo and a rebel-flag-tattoo. Because I'm dutch I never really understood the racist background of the rebelflag. Eventually I got it covered up by a big tattoo of a rose. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 05:54
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Several "I couldn't believe what my ears were hearing" moments: Jethro Tull - Under Wraps Steve Miller Band - Italian X Rays Yes - Open Your Eyes Alan Parsons Band - The Time Machine Steve Miller - Born 2 B Blue Easter Island - Mother Sun Ad Infinitum - Ad Infinitum Supertramp - Free as a Bird Rush - Test for Echo For some reason, these never appealed to the aural sections of my brain. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 05:58
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^Both Lynyrd and Motörhead are just great! That southern flag was also used in rock`a`billy movement in the eighties here in Finland. My brother was in it, although I was a little kid then, I also listened same music very much and never understood any racism behind the flag or the music. it´s sad there seem to be much racism in today´s Rock`n`Roll-fans (I mean the fifteens stuff).
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Posted By: FXM
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 07:03
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Dream Theater - The Astonishing To call that piece of crap a turkey would be a gross injustice to turkeys !!! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 07:20
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 08:05
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Hi, Honestly, I can not say that I have made a lot of "bad choices" ... mostly with (progressive) radio around me in the early days, and then by having the collection strong enough to not need any more radio, the ability to make "bad choices" ... takes a back seat. I am not sure that I go around and say that this Picasso is good, and that one is bad. Likewise, I do not say that this album by Dream Theater is good, and that one is bad ... it's the same ARTIST and PERSON, and they are entitled to their voice just like we are, however, we come off as self-righteous (so religious of us!!!) when we say things like that, is my opinion. I prefer to have some respect for the artistry involved, even if it is not my preference. Ex: I'm not a country music fan, but it would be hideous and stupid if I did not admit that some of those folks have a heck of a very nice voice to sing with! The artistry is the thing! Not our opinions!
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 08:14
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Based on recommendations on here (I think) I bought De-loused In The Comatorium by The Mars Volta a few years back. I'm pretty sure that the CD player in my car spat it out just before my finger hit eject; I think I listened to/was abused by 2, maybe 2.5 tracks before this happened. Threw it in the bin. Never done that before or since... |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 09:09
I too have moved everything to digital, but I have 4 backup copies. One in my office in case my house gets on fire. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 10:21
I admit I still enjoy a few Anthrax albums a good deal. Persistence of Time is a thrash classic. Ditto for Testament's The Ritual. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 10:26
It just occurred to me that in the early days of CDs, when they were all $15-18, I for some reason bought Journey - Frontiers.  ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 11:04
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 11:07
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 11:45
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Confession, part the second: I went through the CDs I left with my parents 20 years ago and found it in the box. It has now returned to my collection where I may wear my shame like a badge. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 11:52
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Speaking of Journey: Bought one of the greatest hits last night at wal-mart for 2 bucks. ------------- |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 12:18
Yes - Tormato  |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 12:19
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 12:45
Testament is the best thrash band mentioned in this thread so far. Almost everybody in the thrash community hates The Ritual...and I LOVE that record. Alex Skolnick is amazing. Megadeth Rust in Peace has been my favorite thrash record since 10th grade. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: GrandHighSlipperman
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 14:46
| I spent far too long trying to convince myself that I liked post-Hackett Genesis. My loyalty to the four/five-piece incarnation of the band was so fierce and I just didn't want to accept that my favourite band fizzled out after a nineteen-year downward spiral into mediocrity. Similar story with 80s Bowie, though his late-career renaissance made it a much less better pill to swallow. I've long since abandoned any sense of obligation to be be a completist and learned to trust my instincts. If an album isn't of an exceptionally high quality, it doesn't deserve a place in my collection. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 16:17
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Indeed. RIP is a superb album, yessir! Early 'Deth is great. Also, I thought The Ritual was rather well-regarded...? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 16:18
| Starless and Bible Black; because it should be memorised, not played. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 16:40
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'Arc' - Neil Young. I was enjoying his 90s Crazy Horse period and loved 'Weld' - so I thought I'd push myself musically in seeing what he could do with feedback improvisation (with my prog hat on, no doubt). Let's just say I played it once...... ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 16:48
Similar story here, though I luckily gave it a preview on youtube and decided I didn't like it at all before I laid out any cash  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 18:32
Me too. I did notice a certain tiredness when they got to Stormwatch, but I considered it the third part of a trilogy and it held up to parts 1 & 2 pretty well. I was expecting a turn-about in 1980, something like what they did with Too Old, but I wasn't expecting that. I was too sad about losing Barrie and John and of course John Glasscock to be able to enjoy it. I still can't enjoy it. I did see see them on that tour, it didn't help. I think it was the white jumpsuits and the baseball caps. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 18:54
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 19:19
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There was this great indie record store in the '70s and '80s on the outskirts of El Cajon, Calif. called Blue Meanies Records. It had an interesting bootleg record section and thorough bins of used records. People traveled for miles to off their records there. By then, I had gotten into the habit of copying my prog albums onto cassette tape then taking them over to this record store for some quick cash (a bad move in itself). In the early '80s, I went to a Firesign Theatre performance at UCSD and arrived there long before the show was to start. One of the Firesigns, David Ossman, came out of the side of the auditorium peering at a page from the night's script, and as he walked by me, I wished him a good show. This delighted the man, and he asked me to stay put. He reentered the auditorium and came back out a few minutes later. He walked on over and handed me a page of script containing autographs from all four Firesigns. I was jazzed and upon returning home, slipped the paper into one of my record albums for safekeeping purposes. Sometime later, that record and about 20 others ended up being sold to Blue Meanies. I'm still kicking myself. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 19:27
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 19:57
Rust In Piece is pure classic, best thing Mustaine has done. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 20:05
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 01 2018 at 22:00
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About bootlegs it´s really hard to know today which is bootleg and which is not. I believe some time "Let them eat vinyl"-albums are not bootlegs until I bought Beefheart Somewhere over detroit. Recording quality is just awful! Haven´t bought any of their vinyls after that. Not ever been big bootie-fan and ever put lots of money to them, but have to say those three Floyd booties from Swingin Pig I got are all really great! Also, it´s sad they made those booties from original albums these days even with original labels. I was fooled at first about Tom Waits Black Rider-vinyl bootie, of course the price was so much cheaper than the original one I should understand it at first place. But it was first time I saw a bootie made from original vinyl. There exists also fake Island pressing of "In the Wake of Poseidon".
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 02 2018 at 01:51
Testament is worth digging into IMHO. I really enjoy The Legacy, The New Order, and Practice What You Preach. Rust in Peace is by far the best thing Mustaine has ever done. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 08:50
Bootlegs had their place in time. These days with the facility for recording things all bands can do their own show for a dollar (so to speak) and get good enough quality to release it as a CD. That was not the case 40 years ago. It was through bootlegs that bands like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead, and many others got even bigger. Their shows were excellent, and even though the recording might not have been great, if you could not feel the energy behind it, you were not listening, and were not interested in the band at all, anyway. If you could not appreciate the majority of the LZ boots (before Jimmy screwed most up!), for their amazing energy and beauty, you were not a person that appreciated music, and how it was being made and shown to you. ALL of these were slightly different than the album, and in many cases, way better than the album and this was something that many folks could appreciate, except those that were not into listening to the band and hearing them as they are! Pink Floyd was of large interest, because they were a "sound" band, before DSOTM, when the sound became just special effects for their songs. Before then, the quadraphonic sound created little "stories" and a good example was "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" and similar things that went on for 5 minutes, as if the band was busy taking a breakfast break ... and in quad (sound around the room/place) this was cool and then some ... and then a song started. Later these bits and pieces became the real story, and you got The Wall, for example, but it killed the experimentation and the fun that the band had. Today, many bands record their own shows and sell it right there for you, so, at least you get an awesome memory of that night ... although I am not sure I need to hear MP play a different note Wednesday night, than he did Tuesday night in Seattle! Or that the drummer threw out a swear word on a miss! Quality is, sometimes, something that we mis-represent ... so you watched this, and the quality of the performance was amazing, but there is no recording of it ... when you happen to find a boot, the quality stinks ... and you gonna tell me that the performance stunk? You either listen and hear it for the performance, or you are no fan of that band's work. And this is where bands like LZ made it big ... they were better in concert than they were in the albums for the most part ... and you can not imagine that, unless you close your eyes, and try to sync in to one of those old bootlegs ... their energy is amazing. There were others, like the Grateful Dead, that many years ago started recording their own and sell it to the fans, so they could have a better quality copy of the show ... and it just shows how much they cared about their fan base to ensure they also got the best they had to offer ... no other bands out there even consider such a thing! Bob Dylan, for the longest time didn't care about the boots, and finally one day the "Basement Tapes" was released to stop the famous bootleg ... but even that was different than the bootleg, which kinda showed that Bob liked changing lyrics all the time ... but his band never wavered on him! Which suggests it was intentional, but it gave some material a different perspective. Boots were not "bad choices" ... and if there were some, I would say that Jethro Tull boots were disappointing, with the very early exception of a 20 minute version of "My God" ... that I have never heard again anywhere. He's out of breath and asking for more ... and proceeds to pump the flute for another 5 minutes more! The Doors had weirdness in it, and I think that many of these were goof'd with intentionally. The Bonzo Dog Band, showed you that even hip musicians went to the theater and saw film, and used that imagery on their lyrics! The Let It Be outtakes, should easily make the film an hour longer, but I think that the producers decided they could not make money off the rest of the stuff and killed it ... the re-releases later, was more versions (and some worse!!!!) than what was already there, but they did not want folks to find stuff that had already been seen or heard. It also hid the fun the Beatles had with many other actors and comedians during the time. The Beatles had to be God and all other religions be darn'd! There are no "bad choices" per se. And specially not in the boots, where you can find a real person, instead of some idealistic rock this or that. But, the thought might just be that this is NOT what you were looking for when you got that boot, and the difference hurt your appreciation for that artist ... for me, this is about you and your perception of things ... not about the artist. Make sure you understand that side of things! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 11:18
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 12:03
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The Man and The Journey is an excellent sounding bootleg. So are several Utopia boots I own. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 12:50
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Just saying I have nothing against boots as long as they offer something that hasn´t released before. I think boot-versions to original (I mean exactly same labels etc.) sucks. Because there are naive people like me, who automatically can´t understand from the price it´s boot (also I can think sellers who at least try to sell them as originals with high prices). The reason why I am not often buying boots is you never know the quality. Some of them has good reputation, for example Swingin Pig I already mentioned. Of course I am thinking the artist should be the first one to get the money from his art, but that´s another story...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 03 2018 at 17:52
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ahhh... redheads.... especially those with deadly aim with pots and pans when pissed... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 21:54
But if you ever got the DVD of Steven Wilson playing the music form Blank Planet, it's actually quite brilliant if you ask me. I also found the album a bit dreary as well, but the DVD is anything but...
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 05 2018 at 22:06
An album is a piece of art, like a painting, or a poem, or a film. The artist puts it out in the domain and then individuals listen to it and make up their own minds about it. If enough individuals like it and buy it, the artist is encouraged by the demand and then makes more albums. That's why art shouldn't be free. There needs to be a price on art to encourage the artist to make more art.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 04:34
Does anyone seriously expect P Tree to be anything but a minor key experience? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 04:42
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^Yes...but maybe that's because we like em. So what band do you like that we can openly ridicule my good lord? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 05:00
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Last time I felt let down by a band was probably the last P Tree album. Not up to scratch guys, sorry. Lost it's focus (from the start)... the big magnum opus track was some autobiographical stuff from SW. P Tree had high standards and had they existed in the 70s they'd be venerated as one of the greats. Now I always try before I buy. And I always want the complete album not the ones without the bonus cuts. Glad someone mentioned Ramshackled earlier. I thought it was just me but I recall the album was, well, awful. I liked Testaments Ritual (also mentioned earlier) but I was never thrash community material. I'd give it 3 stars which is all most albums can reasonably expect. There was another (title? Cover was some black hooded deathly types). Started with some nice Spanish guitar and then every track proceeded with same guitar sounds so everything sounded like everything else. Tedious. Mind you I loaned a copy of Scorpions Love drive to a pal who didn't like it cause th material was all different throughout. Funny old world. Heard Heaven And Earth enough to know it won't be existing in the collection. Still not yet heard Open Your Eyes. Maybe one day. At least it has Anderson present. I don't mind different singers as such but writing is a very different matter. Stay at tribute band level. Still wonder why people regard OK Computer as godly. God awful for me. It actually had me writhing putting up wit those awful guitars... Oh yes, for once a disappointing Sabbath release. Forbidden. Everyone has a classic and Guilty As Hell works for me but for the most part... no. And try as I might the last Rush album just blurs into a memory of over processed guitars. No dynamics, no tunes really. No wonder people like the last track. What a relief... (And I still really like Rush). Somethings don't really take off (Rattle That Lock) but love On An Island. The album sequel to Fat Old Sun for me. I had heard early Journey and thought they were great. I'd heard so much about Journey that a while back I should find out what the fuss was about. Alas I'll never know. 4 songs in to the compilation and I knew I could not take any more. Oh I know. I shelled out once for the first two Tool albums. I now have 100,000 Days but those first two were exchanged for Camel CDs before I got the hump anymore. |
Posted By: timbo
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 07:48
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For me, it was "Heart to Heart" by Pete Bardens. I loved Camel, especially the keyboards, so when I found it in the bargain bin of a record store I thought "what could go wrong?" Hmm. Camel it's not... |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 07:54
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I peed on an electric fence and didn't realize that the charge can travel up the stream of piss and shock me like a MF Also, i got rid of my thousands of cassettes only to find after the fact that quite a few had never been released onto CDs. I did have a good vinyl collection but most of that got stolen in a storage unit theft which i regret ever setting foot in  -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 08:16
Talking about peeing. I developed a penchant for very hot chilli and once learned the hard way that it's good to wash your hands before taking a pee after dicing Habanero and handling it  |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 09:23
Hey now, I thought we were only talking musical bad choices! If not, I got a few ones for ya...  A lot of Avenged Sevenfold in high school was a bad choice. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 10:41
I've always had a think for redheads. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 10:43
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Aerosmith, GNR, tired of both much more rapidly than I thought would be possible. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 16:25
Here's a musical bad choice ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 09 2018 at 16:36
Now they suck! (: ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Jzrk
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 18:32
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Like someone else hear mentioned.Works by ElP was a big disappointment. Rush Test For Ecco Kyuss Circus Comes to Town Many many more.With technology todaybI refuse to be duped anymore. I remember buying Nillson Schmilson because of the hit song and hated the rest of the album On another note I remember getting a couple Christmas albums from my grand parents as a teenager. Since they had no clue the went to a record store and asked something me who worked there for help. I ended up with a Willie Nelson Outlaws record and a Paul McCartney solo record.Both were completely not anywhere near what ai was listening to.I do Belive this was before gift cards were a thing! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 20:10
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An old schoolmate was in town for a show we were both going to see, and somehow I lent him my vinyl copy of Zappa’s Freak Out album because he said he wanted to make a t-shirt out of it. I didn’t have any contact info, and I haven’t seen him since. At least it wasn’t in great condition. Wait,... actually I did run into him briefly at my 25-year reunion last year. But it didn’t cross my mind to bring it up, and even if it had, I think the statute of limitations has passed on that particular incident. That ship has sailed. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 20:26
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You should have brought it up, it would have been beautifully awkward. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 11 2018 at 10:44
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I probably would have, had I remembered. Not that I would have really expected to get it back. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |