band you want to remove
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: band you want to remove
Posted By: jitu
Subject: band you want to remove
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 03:58
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THE BAND YOU WANT TO REMOVE FROM THE ARCHIVE QUEEN (ITS GOOD, BUT NOT HERE) RADIOHEAD (I HATE THIS ONE) AND FEW MORE,
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:08
I just ignore those I dislike or don't find prog, no ultimatums from me. 
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:08
i mean bands not band -------------
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:09
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actually , you are right -------------
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Eetu Pellonpää wrote:Posted By: Storm-Crow
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:14
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Radiohead i have to agree ------------- Take a salt tablet!!! |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:15
Radiohead, Queen and especially DEEP PURPLE
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Posted By: SevenColoured
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:19
| Deep Purple, Queen, and stop adding bands that are not prog. !! This site is lost value if that happens. |
Posted By: samhob
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:34
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Ok some of the bands here aren't prog at all, i agree... But why don't you guys just ignore the bands you don't want to see and stop complaining ? This website is exellent, if you don't like it , just create one better that will fit your needs |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:43
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I beleive Queen, Radio and Deep Purple do have their moments in Prog, Art Rock wise anyway, but I'd say they use a medium of Prog. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 04:44
This website is exellent and we want it to remain exellent, that is why we are complaining,
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:05
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Once again: Queen, Styx, Saga, Supertramp, Alan Parsons |
Posted By: bogdan.
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:28
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Adagio, Anathema, Fantomas, Kamelot, James Labrie (solo), Lacrimosa,
absolutely Nightwish, Therion, Queen, Radiohead, Deep Purple, Rhapsody,
Alan Parson, and so many more.
------------- GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may, Old Time is still a-flying: And this same flower that smiles to-day To-morrow will be dying. Carpe Diem! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:36
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very interesting thoughts about Deep Purple. in my opinion they are a precursor to prog-metal; I can live with their inclusion
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:49
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then add 'Rainbow' also. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:57
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In the heat and the rain, To see him fly..... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:00
So many die
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:06
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:07
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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:09
Look there on the horizon -------------
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 08:36
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So it's agreed ... we're going to toss Rainbow outta the Progarchives, eh? Now to continue the thread ... It's only been an hour since he locked her in the tower,
------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Flyingbebert
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 09:43
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Seriously, what is the problem with adding bands that are not really prog, but really at least prog-related ? The more bands there are, the more complete the site is, then the more information it gives ! This whole lot of information is maybe a little too complex to grasp, but that's understandable because the site is quite new. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 09:45
| I'm not saying I dislike any of these bands, but Nightwish, Rhapsody, Deep Purple. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 10:39
| None of the bands mentioned by other members offend me at all - in fact, I'm a big Deep Purple fan and I think they should be included in a section on 'proto-prog' or 'prog-pioneers'. I try to keep an open mind and don't get upset easily, though I would if they started including things like Phil Collins' solo production, Madonna or Britney Spears. |
Posted By: Flyingbebert
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 10:54
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You're right, I don't know what people around here fear so much about adding bands from the "blurred zone" around prog. There are obvious restrictions to make, but all that comes close to prog can be openly admitted. It's only a matter of organisation of the site. |
Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 10:55
Anathema? What wrong is with You.  |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 14:54
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If a band like deep purple has leaved his legacy (and a good heritage) in another field of rock music why should they be included as prog band? Even if you consider them proto prog then anything could be included. We need more discrimination: I don't mean to erase a band because we personally like/dislike its music, but because of its participation into the development of the prog language and prog music. THerefore in this specific case we could answer ourselves: Did Deep Purple proto prog influenced any other band which is recognizable as Progressive? If the answer is yes than they have the right to stay in this site. If not than ask did they have a professional career in which we recognise influences of their contemporary prog bands? If they didn't, and went on moving to another field of music than they are not prog. Apply this discrimination to, let's say, Phil Collins. He has played with an established and worldwide recognized PROG band. When he moved the three men Genesis and then his solo career he has lost his prog roots. Simply he went into another field. Therefore Phil Collins alone cannot be included in the Prog Archive. Another suggestion about this discrimination is: a couple of songs which sounds like prog doesn't mean a band is Progressive. Some experiment, moviment in musical fields which a group is usually not related to can be considered transitory and/or research of identity. THerefore the gorup itself doesn't authomatically belongs also to that area. ELP played with a symphonic orchestra. So did Deep Purple and in more recent times Metallica. ELP is prog. Than Metallica is prog. Does it work? Is just a provocation, nevertheless I think it is something more than a matter of taste to exclude/include bands into this archive. Mainly I approached this site to get ideas of new groups to listen too. I read different opinions, than I buy/borrow/find the album and listen to my personal taste. More the groups/bands/ individuals presented in the progarchive are closely related to PROG music, less misguiding is the indication and more appreciable the efforts of whoever post, introduce, comment, organize the material. Therefore I personally approve the initiative of our friend jitu whom iniziated this topic.Whoever is longer into this site should take the iniziative and propose removals of inadecuated material Best wishes to all of you prog fellows and congratulation for the site
------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:09
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NIGHTWISH NIGHTWISH NIGHTWISH NIGHTWISH NIGHTWISH RADIOHEAD DEEP PURPLE QUEEN NIGHTWISH NIGHTWISH NIGHTWISH Too many users agree about these bands... i think it just makes sense, and will please the majority of the users if they go! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:18
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Whatever your opinions on them, asking for bands who have been on the site for some time to be removed, shows a lack of respect towards people who have submitted reviews of albums by them. Focus on the positive! Talk about things you like, and ignore those you don't! You'll find it makes the word seem a much happier place, honest! |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:22
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i bet NOBODY would care though. I reviewed just about every radiohead release in detail and i dont care if they all get axed! Most of the reviews mite not even notice, mostly jus collaborators. Its for the good of the site and something that about 9/10 people agree on. GET EM OUT BY FRIDAY!!! THATS TODAY!!! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:25
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Remove everything except TD and KS and start all over again!
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Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:50
To give you a proper answer, we should begin considering what is the aim of this site. I state my aim (which not necessarily is others, nevertheless it is the way I perceive and follow my judgments) saying that is a powerfull and qualified research into the world of present past and future progressive music/bands. Therefore no lack of respect with anybody. I consider that the community enthusiasm is present, ongoing and defenitly happy! I stated that we should be discriminating. Self/discriminating, to honour the quality of the material. Discriminate the reviews we do, the post we do and our act within the community. This is a sens of what not imposed freedom is. To my point of seeing as you might notice I post to this site considering that the initiative to remove some material it make sense. It has been posted in the past? good. It has been useful to somebody? Good. Respectfully I suggest that if an increasing number of users who participate to this community consider some material/band no longer appropriated it can be removed. My emphasis is that something like the inclusion of a band into the progressive music should be less arbitrary (like/dislike is arbitrary) and more critical. That's just my point. I read a forum about inappropiated reviews. They spoil the quality of the site as well. If I don't know a certain group and I decide to by an album because the same person wrote 100 times that that album is a masterpiece and then is crap, I'm been fooled. The same happens when a group which is not PROG is included. I got a Radiohead album, just because it has been rated here. I didn't listen to it. Maybe is good or not I don't know yet, nevertheless I got it with the inspiration that is some prog music. I'll tell you if it is... ------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: thrang theng
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 15:52
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By the way, I propose we move this discussion into another forum title: is it appropiated to propose removal of a band/album/review to the administrators? Perhaps I went out of topic with the forum.
------------- Take my fire Take my food and water Forget about those promises Of social good and social order... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 16:01
| QUEEN |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 19:43
Do not remove Supertramp, though, since they have many proggy moments on their albums! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! http://www.last.fm/music/Exerior" rel="nofollow - EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
Posted By: Progslut
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 01:25
Well then I`ll just say: All of the above
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:03
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since when was mercury rev added to the site? please....take em off. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:13
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Mercury Rev, Deep Purple, and Queen shouldn't be here... ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:21
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"**Please note that we keep the final decision of whether the BAND will be or not listed in the archive." ------------- 
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 07:29
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It has already been mentioned but Night(mare)wish has nothing to do with prog. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: CrazyDiamond
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 18:55
You guys almost convinced me about keeping these bands in the Archives, but please, please,please do me a favour, and REMOVE Radiohead!!!!!!!! That's all for now ___BYE___ ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 19:32
| Jon and Vangelis |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 22:50
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great thread! i want the complete post rock/experimental section to be removed
greenback ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 22:53
It's been established countless times, Queen is Prog-Rock. They're moreso Hard Rock, but their stylings are far too Prog to be overlooked. Secondly, there's no reason to want to move Radiohead out because you hate them. Radiohead were added before I came to this site. If there was a vote on the band being added I would have voted against them being here. They don't fit into one prog category here. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 22:57
i agree with you on queen but on radiohead the only reason i would of want radionhead to be remove it is because they hate to be progressive rock band
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 14 2005 at 23:01
i just hate queen  i was so suprise that this band is on this forum as progressive rock come on !!!! can you imaging a band that a son glike another bite the dust!!!! that's pure caca!!!!! 
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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: September 15 2005 at 03:26
But neither do Porcupine Tree and Marillion. Just because a band doesn't want to be associated with a specific label because of its connotations, it doesn't mean that the band doesn't fit that label.
By that logic, then Genesis shouldn't be here because of I Can't Dance. ------------- Be or be not. There is no question. - Yoda, Prince of Denmark |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 03:34
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Remove: Styx, Saga, Queen, Alan Parsons... Add: Laurie Anderson |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 08:08
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There's some new categories in the prog archives, which should make the irritating, non-elitistic bands more acceptable! Like QUEEN went to "progressive pop", and DEEP PURPLE to "proto prog". I think this is a right direction, and keeping these bands on this site are an enrichement. But they truly needed these new gategories. I see the definition of these genres and placing the bands under right categories as a very important issue, when keeping this site believable. Thanks to you all making it! |
Posted By: Kubla Khan
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 09:33
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TOOL DEEP PURPLE QUEEN NIGHTWISH RHAPSODY ANGRA RADIOHEAD |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 09:50
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Queen ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 11:31
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QUEEN. Certainly they used a lot of progressive moves on their early albums, but that certainly doesn't make them a progressive band. As an inventive mainstream rock band, they appropriated elements of whatever was fashionable at the time - glam and prog in the early days, disco and funk later on. Or if they must stay, then we should have a "classic rock" section in which other mainstream bands with progressive elements (DEEP PURPLE, LED ZEPPELIN et al) can be filed. THERION I think fully justify their place - "Theli" and "Vovin" in particular are truly progressive albums, with the classical and symphonic elements built-in, not just bolted-on. NIGHTWISH is a highly marginal case. Their first two or three albums qualify at a push, but they increasingly moved towards more mainstream power metal. "Once", in contrast to THERION, is an album where the progressive elements are definitely bolted-on, to add some variety to the album. |
Posted By: oVerCaffeinated
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 03:52
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DEEPpurple
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