1969: Gesesis vs Yes vs Van der Graaf Generator
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Topic: 1969: Gesesis vs Yes vs Van der Graaf Generator
Posted By: Logan
Subject: 1969: Gesesis vs Yes vs Van der Graaf Generator
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 11:20
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Which of these debut albums do you enjoy the most? Some songs I like (I would rather do two embeds per band, but lots of embeds are irritating and problematic for some). ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 11:27
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Yes's debut out of these three. In fact it's one of my favorites from Yes. Genesis' debut is ok, I love Gabriel's singing on it. I haven't listened to VDGG's debut in quite some time. When I'm in the mood for them, I just play H to He... I will give it a listen (to the debut album that is) soon.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 11:33
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Aerosol is fantastic. Yes is great fun. Revelation bores me. ------------- |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 11:33
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love the Yes debut ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 11:48
| Yes. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 12:05
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Yes ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 12:09
| Any of them arenīt bad album, but Yes sounded the most itself already in itīs first album. Also of course thinking itīs the best of those three. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 12:17
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Generator -------------  
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 12:40
To me VdGG sounded like itself on that album about as much as Yes did on its debut. Genesis, on the other hand, had a less mature sound. I think that both Yes and VdGG started strong out of the gates, whereas the Genesis album feels like a prequel band. One may claim that the "Yes" album sounds more like the classic Yes that many Prog fans laud than "The Aerosol Grey Machine" sounds like the classic era of VdGG that many Prog fans laud, but I hear a follow-through with those albums leading into subsequent ones, whereas Genesis had a more significant change. Like in "Octopus" you can hear the later "out-there" VdGG (has its excesses, and I don't altogether like it, but it certainly is one of the most progressive tracks off any of these three albums): And in other tracks you can hear VdGG's softer side. ------------------------------------------------ Some stats for fun: In terms of the ratings at ProgArchives: "Aerosol..." has a 3.26 with 569 ratings "From Genesis..." has 2.58 with 1047 ratings "Yes" has 3.24 and 1197 ratings At rateyourmusic: Aerosol has a 3.34 with 1,180 ratings From Genesis has a 2.90 with 2,239 ratings Yes has a 3.40 with 2,647 ratings ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Mortte wrote:Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 13:43
Not even close...I love Aerosol Grey Machine  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 14:06
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First for Genesis. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 15:23
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None of them. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 15:36
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I love "The Aerosol Grey Machine". it has a lot of strong tracks (most notably "Octopus", "Necromancer", "Aquarians", "Running Back" and "Into a Game", but "Orthentian St." ain't bad either. and the title track is a nice silly little ditty). I can only recommend: "Buy an Aerosol Grey Machine for your own home - today" -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 15:36
really? that's harsh :)) dare I ask what you find so appalling about them?
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 16:15
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Just one breath and it's instant death... ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 17:16
| YES |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 17:24
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The Yes debut is the strongest by far - although heard the Genesis debut last week after a gap of some time and I actually rather liked it for its pastoral quaintness and tail-end of the psychedelic era feel. I love 'The Conqueror' - but can't explain why! ------------- Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 18:41
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You're walking along the road one day up comes a man dressed all in gray He blows a little aerosol in your face and you find your minds' all over the place Just one breath and it's instant death it's the aerosol grey machine... vs Here come the supernatural anesthetist If he wants you to snuff it all he has to do is puff it... Hmmm...are both PG and PH singing about the same guy?  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 18:49
Very interesting! You could be right. Do you think young Gabriel might have been influenced there?  ------------- Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:34
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I suppose Yes,,,,but I don't play any of them anymore. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:47
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For 1969, Jethro Tull's Stand Up smokes all three of those albums. It's not even close. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:55
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∆ Well yup, and that King Crimson album wasn't too shabby either. Out of these, VdGG gets my vote by a hair over Yes. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 20:13
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^.....yes, people love to insert their own choice in polls where that isn't an option.... LOL ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:42
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I don't mind people mentioning other albums, but I like it when people comment on and choose from the choices and mention their picks, such as how Prog Sothoth did (and if they think of other albums, choose ones that have has as many parallels to the choices as possible). And I'm generally fine with people joining in on discussion even if they don't have a pick as I am interested in reading what people think, the associations they make etc. and I like discussion. I like it when people think laterally and outside the box (sometimes I address ten things in a single post, and I'm happy when people ramble off into new territory). It does sometimes bug me, though, when someone just says an "other" choice without even attempting to comment on the selection. There's a reason why I choose to link albums, and part of the fun for me in polls is figuring why people may have related certain ones and what does it say about that person (getting inside the mind of the OP). But don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for The Dark Elf and enjoy his wit, articulateness and contributions to the forum, so I'm just speaking in generalities in response (there's no one in this thread that I don't enjoy the contributions of enough to be bothered by tangents etc. from...). None of these three that I listed is my favourite album from 1969. I chose these three as "debut" albums from 1969 which are lower rated than subsequent albums by the bands, and are not considered to be albums where the classic sound was fully formed, and all three, one might argue, have proto-prog elements. Stand Up is a very good second album, and is my favourite Jethro Tull album. Had I done a general 1969 album list then it and In the Court might well be listed (both highly rated albums), but the JT album I would sooner compare to these three would 1968's Benefit (also one of my favourite JT albums). One of my favourites from 1969 is Soft Machine's second album, but again I don't think it would fit what I was thinking about. That would smoke any of these three for me and Soft Machine's first from 1968 would beat them too. Lots would beat In the Court and Stand Up for me too. Anyway, it's not a great poll, and I don't think Genesis fits the list that well (was going to do just the Yes and VdGG as I find them more comparable, but I felt that the Genesis fit in reasonably well despite being lower-rated and more different from the band's subsequent efforts). From the 60s, not just 1969, some of my favourites are: Amon Düül II - Phallus Dei Can - Monster Movie Alpes & Catherine Ribeiro - Catherine Ribeiro + 2Bis Kraftwerk (Organisation) - Tone Float Miles Davis - In a Silent Way Fifty Foot Hose - Cauldron Soft Machine - Volume II Soft Machine - Volume I White Noise - An Electric Storm Arzachel - Arzachel The Zodiac: Cosmic Sounds Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of Secrets Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Kevin Ayers - Joy of a Toy The Advancement - The Advancement David Axelrod - Song of Innocence Colosseum - Valentyne Suite Mort Garson - The Wozard of Iz: An Electronic Odyssey The Incredible String Band - The 5000 Spirits Or The Layers Of The Onion The Incredible String Band - The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter Writing on the Wall - Power of the Picts High Tide - Sea Shanties Tea and Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane The Open Window - The Open Window Holy Music - Malachi Captain Beefheart - Safe as Milk Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica The Pentangle - Basket of Light East of Eden - Mercator Projected Renaissance - Renaissance Procol Harum - Shine on Brightly King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Santana - Santana Forest - Forest Jethro Tull - Stand Up Jethro Tull - Benefit etc. If I start thinking about ones included in Proto Prog/ Prog Related and not at the site, then my list would grow much more. Terry Riley deserves special mention for his early albums and in terms of just enjoyment, I love Ennio Morricone. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 23:18
My 1969 favourites: Caravan: s/t Pink Floyd: More Pink Floyd: Ummagumma King Crimson: ITCHYCOCK Amon Düül: Phallus Dei Jethro: Stand Up Soft Machine: Volume Two Rolling Stones: Let It Bleed the Beatles: Abbey Road Kaleidoscope: Faintly Blowing Wigwam: Hard N Horny Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica Stooges: s/t MC5: Kick Out the Jams Dr. John: Babylon Family: Family Entertainment Mothers of Invention: Uncle Meat Zappa: Hot Rats Janis Ian: Who Really Cares Fairport Convention: What We Did On Our Holidays Fairport Convention: Unhalfbricking Fairport Convention: Liege & Lief Laura Nyro: New York Tendaberry the Who: Tommy the Kinks: Arthur Colosseum: Valentyne Suite Kevin Ayers: Joy Of a Toy It was also quite a year!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 23:32
Yeah, actually, I agree with you. Yes' debut does sound more like Time and a Word than Aersosol sounds like The Least We Can Do to me too. Nice list. I;ve been into the Family album of late, by the way (should have been on mine, and some others on your list, and for the 60s generally, I love Family's Music in a Doll's House from 1968 too).  ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 23 2018 at 23:59
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Aerosol Grey Machine (mainly for the track Octopus) |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 01:41
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Just listened Aerosol again (itīs the VDGG album I have listened least). Really like it much! Itīs kind of funny album, when music is quite psychpop, but vocals are as great as later VDGG-albums. Also keyboards are not dominating that much, only Octopus started to sound what was coming. I think Genesis and VDGG albums have much more in common, theyīre both sounding really sixties albums when Yes was already heading towards seventies that time. But sometimes I like more sixties clear, echoed sounds than seventies soft, but almost non-echoed, dry sounds. But still, Yes is greatest of those three albums to me.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 02:12
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nice lists, but 2 of my favorite 1969 albums are missing; maybe I will think of more later: Circus - Ciircus (early jazz-rock/fusion) High Tide - Sea Shanties (an absolutely smoking album) ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 02:33
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The High Tide did make my 60s list a few posts above. It's tucked in between Writing on the Wall and Tea and Symphony. That Circus is a fine album that I didn't think of (I think I might have discovered it because of you). Incidentally, there's another Circus I like too which released a self-titled in 1976 and a very good album called Movin' On in 1977. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 02:55
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some more 1969 albums that i think weren't mentioned; correct me if I am wrong: Neil Young - Neil Young Cream - Goodbye Chicken Shack - O.K. Ken Ten Years After - Stonedhenge Ten Years After - Sssh Steppenwolf - Monster Steppenwolf - At Your Birthday Party Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers Steve Miller Band - Your Saving Grace Vanila Fudge - Near the Beginning MC5 - Kick Out the Jams Grateful Dead - Aoxomoxoa Spooky Tooth - Spooky Two Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 03:32
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 24 2018 at 03:33
| ^Sorry, also like really much Steppenwolf Monster, it went away with those others. |