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Topic: Russian chemical attack on UK
Posted By: Blacksword
Subject: Russian chemical attack on UK
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 06:14
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Let's assume for now, that this was a Russian state authorised attack on UK soil, using a WMD. It may not be, of course, bt if it is, then it is tecnically an act of war, although clearly our "strong and stable" prime minister would only use such language against a weaker opponent. What action do you think the UK government should take? Is this a matter for the NATO allaince (attack on one is an attack on all etc) Should we go crying to the UN, or stumble head first into armageddon? OR...take our ball home and not play in ther world cup!!  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 06:34
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These are usually false flags that are masterminded to instill fear in the public in order to carry out some political means. A tired but effective method (think Bay of Pigs in Cuba in 1960s) -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 06:43
It's possible, but there is no proof, or indeed even evidence that it is a false flag. I'm aware there does seem to have been a concerted effort to provoke Russia into confrontation for the last 30 years or so, although I'm not sure what the motive would be. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
siLLy puPPy wrote:Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 07:12
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I missed this incident. I've listened to a fair amount of whistleblower testimonies about carrying out these attacks and blaming it on an adversary. Having a deepened knowledge of how governmetns like the US and UK operate i would bet it is indeed a false flag without knowing anything about it. There are many telltale signs that point to these things, however there are other possibilities as well. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 07:21
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Unlike the American President, the UK PM called Russia out. Bravo! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 07:41
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^ it's almost always a false flag when they place the blame so soon. Where's the evidence? ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 07:44
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^ A history of poisoning spies, ex spies and anyone else Putin hates in a country that's not his. If the British got this wrong, it makes up for the hundreds of other unmentioned acts by the Russians. So be it.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 07:49
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^ not defending Russia and all their crimes but the UK and US have done it all as well. I'm only talking about this incident. If there is no evidence and they are quick to blame, it's usually a false flag. That's the insider's protocol. I've heard plenty of whistleblower testimonies that explained these things in grueling detail. No matter whodunnit, it's obviously a sad event indeed. I've just learned all governments are equally corrupt especially my own. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 08:00
There is some 'evidence' The substance in question was specifically Russian made. That has been ascertained with rigerous testing at our chem/biologcal warfare research faclility. The Russians had motive for the attack. If this wasn't state ordered then there is the question of how the material fell into what we call the "wrong hands" Either way, Moscow needs to answer questions. The Russians are demanding to see the evidence that it was a Russian made substance, and so far, I think, the UK has refused to share that evidence with Moscow, which does ring some alarm bells of course. False flags do happen I know. Since the 90's I've also done a fair amount of reading on the subject, but trustworthy sources are hard to find. I gave up reading up on 9/11 and the 7/7 attacks in London. There are so many anomolies and coincidences, my head was spinning. It got to the point that whenever anyone official spoke about what happened I just laughed a what I believed was their brazen bullsh*t. I thought I was going mad. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 09:15
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It could have been ordered by Trump to prevent this guy from spilling the beans on the whole investigation into Russia messing with the US election...not that we would ever do that in another country. ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 09:57
| On the basis that we'll probably be sh*t in the World Cup and get knocked out early on, we should definitely boycott it. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 10:55
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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 10:58
Turnip couldn't have ordered the kill as it would require planning and foresight. ;) ------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 11:21
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I see Tillerson's just been fired. On the same day he talked tough over this attack, and pledged full support to the UK. Interesting...? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 14:07
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^It is interesting that Tillerson was fired at this time.....and Tillerson took a stance against Russia on this....so maybe Trump once again is showing he's in Putin's pocket or playing safe with the Russians in some manner though of course he would deny all connections. Does anyone have any idea why Russians would want this ex-agent dead? And how do we know he was a double agent..? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 16:47
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 17:46
Governments have lied about too many things for too long. It very well may be Russia but neither the UK nor US, Germany etc have a shred of credibility for me. I'm generalizing because i don't have time to go into lengthy detail but i've heard more than enough about the black budgets and secret clandestine powers that work beneath the surface. For example, the president of the US is purported to be only 38th in power under a hidden chain of command and Trump has not even been briefed on the black budget programs. That means the prez is not even aware of what's going on. Everything on the main news is nothing more than a puppet show to keep us entertained while the true masters of reality construct things behind the scenes. This is not just paranoid ranting. I've heard more than enough detailed narratives from ex-government and ex-military types. In short, i just don't believe any of the narrative reported. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 22:17
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^Hmm...well that sounds a bit paranoid to me......but then I don't talk to ex gubbermint and military 'types'. ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 06:01
It's probably safe to say there's always more than meets the eye, but the rabbit hole probably doesn't go as deep as you think. As for your ex-military and ex government sources, just because they've worked in those fields, doesn't exempt them from misinterpretation, exaggeration and attention seeking. At the end of the day the primary aim of any government in the US (and of our own here in the UK) is to ensure that wealthy people, who influence government process in any way, remain wealthy and on favourable terms with government. The skill of the political class is to make sure that the plebs (the rest of us) don't realise this, and this achieved through skillful wordplay, and well timed communications. All that is a given IMO, anything beyond that invloving secret handshakes, human sacrifice, lizards, freemasons and 'Jews' is merely speculative and paranoid babble. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 06:09
^ Bravo!  But a bit paranoid too?  Hmm...------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 06:30
Yeah, all bases covered. I'd make a good politician I just think there needs to be evidence of something to cite it as fact or 'probably true' There is an abundance of evidence on dislay quite openely every day that indicates the uber wealthy and the politcal class have a symbiotic relationship. I don't think there is anything conspiratorial about that. The UK's lucrative relationship with Saudi Arabia, against a back drop of hypocritical guff about human rights, and the enormous donations our current government takes from rich Russians living in London, and in some cases connected to Putin is a matter of open public record. It's when we get into the Bilderburg group planning to mass kill the world population with engineered plagues, or using the internet to make us all gay, I start losing interest. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 06:39
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I would suggest sending over Phil Collins to do a Russian Tour - with compulsory Attendance for all Russian politically active membership. I'm sure that after that they may well leave the Novachok? Nerve agent alone because they would all be still in rehab.... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 09:43
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"Found in a catatonic state in Salisbury" To be fair, half of Salisbury is catatonic on a Saturday night. ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 10:01
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Old UK frats here will probably remember the Georgi Markov case, where a Bulgarian dissident was stabbed in the leg with a poisoned umbrella, injecting a pellet containing ricin into him: he died shortly later. This was in 1978, nothing was done, the case remains unsolved. ------------- |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 12:56
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 13:00
^This is not.  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 15:51
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^ Yeah I'd tend to agree. Espionage is an ugly business. Spies are still killed. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 15:53
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 19:11
Too much evidence to the contrary. If we think in evolutiionary terms, using the same old tired cold war tactics is a bit of a laughable manner. I really wish i could convey the proponderence of evidence i've encountered in a mere chat forum but all i'm asking everyone to do is keep minds open and accept no claims as truth. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 19:24
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I wouldn't claim that Russia doesn't kill spies and other folks, however false flags are a time tested tactic. Ask yourself: 1. Who has the most to gain by the death of the spy? 2. Who has the most to gain politically by the "world wide" publication of the "Spy Poisoned" story? Russia? UK? Russia's enemies? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 22:14
Perhaps, but that sort of all-purpose theory doesn't always hold true. Who had the most to gain by the death of John Kennedy?: Lyndon Johnson? The Mob? Cubans? CIA? Richard Nixon? Kremlin? British bankers? Cookie Monster? You see the problem. Who gains most from the death of a Russian spy? Other Russian spies. As for politically, it is irrelevant because everyone knows Russia plays hardball, especially with espionage and this only reinforces that perception. This will probably be forgotten in a month or so. Who benefits most? The СВР РФ, obviously. Russia wins. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 14 2018 at 22:15
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Was Alexander Litvinenko a false flag too? And I must say that Russia historically has always tried to hunt down their traitors , from Trotsky onto Penkovsky, Popov , Tolkachev, Varenik as well as most recently, a rash of Russian diplomats knocked off by the alleged mafia but who were known to be challenging Putin. Culturally, the Russian mindset is formatted by a loathing for treasonous countrymen. That is why Stalin ruled so effectively, with an iron fist that is beyond imagination. That is why Russia, free of the USSR, is veering fast towards regaining empirical power. Vlad even said so in his recent speech. Smert shpionam (SMERSH) was the first state-run hit squad! It was very effective. The current FSB and the vastly expanded GRU are dictating new methods for Putin to remain solidly entrenched in power. They are a serious bunch , who like Trump, dont give a hoot about consequences . It surely can be a false flag , as there have been so many since the dawn of time. The history is there , in the history books and the interviews I have had with former operatives. Putin is no nice guy and the Russians love that! That's the problem, because absolute power is damn scary...Whether Trump or Vlad , the both are BAD! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 03:02
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There is no evidence this was a false flag operation. They do happen, I get that, but there is no supporting evidence for that in this case. That said, who are any of us to guess what goes on? We don't know the half of it. Of that I'm certain. Information is a dangerous thing, and people often react violently to truth. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 04:16
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 05:15
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In another frenetic day of claim and counterclaim with the Kremlin:
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 05:35
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In other words the British are less obvious about killing spies than the Russians. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 05:58
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While researching Russian Spy Story, I found this Story next to it. What's going on in Telford? "As many as 1,000 children could have suffered at the merciless hands of perverts and torturers in Telford since the 1980s. Girls as young as 11 have been lured from their families to be drugged, beaten and raped in an epidemic that, say victims, is still ongoing." https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527 |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 06:32
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^^^ There is a ongoing problem in the UK where young girls are groomed by gangs - usually comprised of Asian men (sorry, but that is the case) - and then plied with drugs and raped. It's not just Telford. It's numeous cities up and down the country but appears to be particulaly bad in the north. There is evidence that in the case of some city councils and social services, there has been a reluctance to act out of fear of upsetting 'community cohesion' instead, in the case of Rotheram, blaming the girls, suggesting they were essentially hookers. Anyway, that's another thread, and one which would probably be shut down PDQ. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 06:36
We have to be more discreet. We're a fairly insignifcant country on the world stage. We're like the angry short guy at the bar, absusing the big guy, but always making sure there is a clear passage to the exit, and that 'our big guy' the US, is right behind us. All mouth and no trousers. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 06:58
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We may be a small country but we still have the ability to nuke some sense into any bigger adversary - think of us as an angry short ginger bloke with an AK47....... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 07:10
There is no proof that it is and no proof it is not but given the history of governments of the world, a false flag event is just as likely to be the case as any other scenario and as someone above stated, we only know a fraction of what really has gone down. After seeing an entire series about false flags, it turns out many incidents that seemed impossible to have been so actually turned out to have been inside operations. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 07:13
Indeed, like the small guy has the ability the punch the big guy, before the big guy crushes him like a gingernut biscuit, and makes a radioactive cheescake base out of him. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 08:04
Any any nuclear weapons set off contaminate the entire surface of the planet. Testing from the 1940s and 50s still is affecting the ecology of the planet, therefore any nuclear attacks are in effect internecine in nature. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 09:02
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If Russia poisoned the spy... - Why did Russia use such a clumsy nerve agent? Multiple folks hurt. Untraceable "heart attack guns" have been in use since the mid 70's. Ergo, Russia must have wanted the world to know Russia poisoned the spy. Why did Russia want the world to know they poisoned the spy? The only plausible motive that occurs to me at present is... Warn, threaten, intimidate other Russian spies with "termination with prejudice" if they turn their backs on Russia. What other plausible motives might Russia have? |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 10:06
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I had a run in with the FSB. True story. 1998, Sheremetievo Airport, Moscow. Accidentally ripped my visa in half. A nice gentleman in a grey suit took me into a side room and handed me a sellotape dispenser and invited me to tape my visa back up before I left Russia. Four of his friends were standing there with AK-74's so I thought discretion was the better part of value. I did point out the flight was due to Paris in 15 minutes. "The plane leaves when we tell it to", he helpfully informed me. Smert Schpionam really existed not to get rid of spies, more to act as an informer network in the lead up to the Great Purges of 1936 and 1937. However, the Russians always have had an interest in getting shut of the predatel - traitor - and Machiavellian assassinations, occasionally on foreign soil, have always happened. As Trotsky can tell you, once he gets rid of the ice pick. There's quite a lot of conspiracy theories on this thread and I'd ask the advocates of the whackier theories - (a) Ever been to the USSR or Russia ? (b) Aware of Russian history ? (c) Resident in Europe (as it's the sphere of influence for Russia, the US is generally not (I know Trotsky was assassinated in Mexico, yeah yeah.) If the answers to these questions is "no" then you're falling into the usual Internet pattern of "opinion rather than knowledge", I'm afraid. Another funny I did in Moscow was go off to see the Lubyanka. Nearly got knocked down outside it by a gang of Russian criminals with faces like blind cobblers' thumbs. Car screeched around a corner, scattering pedestrians, I just thought "zhopa" and stood there look a tough English idiot. "Pashol von, mudaki", I shouted at them as the car missed me by two inches. My bad Russian accent probably saved me as if they'd understand me, I'd have more metal in my chest than Leonid Brezhnev. (600 medals.) ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 10:18
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Incidentally, I'd like to ask how the Bay of Pigs was "a false flag". Russian nerve agent found at the site, no false flag. So much for the conspiracy theory. Unless you want to believe (as in X Files) that UK Gov PLC "made it up", in which case, you can disbelieve any fact whatsoever, which is what conspiracy theorists tend to do. So I blame Jeremy Clarkson, that's just as rational. Jezzer is behind it. ------------- |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 10:51
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From Irish Times... "British prime minister Theresa May put two scenarios to parliament on Monday. The attack on former British-Russian spy Sergei Skripal may have been planned directly by the Kremlin or that through lax scrutiny Russia allowed the nerve agent to fall into the wrong hands. The situation is more complicated than that".... ..."
Produced illegallyIt is also possible that Novichok has since been produced illegally. It is made from chemical elements which are harmless on their own but lethal when combined. Theresa May’s first scenario, that the Kremlin was directly involved, seems unlikely. Skripal was in the UK as part of an official spy-swap deal with Russia. The only suggestion of suspicious activities on Skripal’s part has been a report in the Daily Telegraph that he was close to an unnamed person in the organization run by Christopher Steele, who produced the dossier claiming Russia had compromising material on Donald Trump." https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unlikely-that-vladimir-putin-behind-skripal-poisoning-1.3425736 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 15:18
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Well now it's getting a tad silly. Who doesn't have compromising material on Donald Trump. He's one big compromise. Sounds like global politiks as usual. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 17:52
Operation Northwoods was a propsed false flag against Cuba, unlike many of these planned events, this one got nipped by JFK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods" rel="nofollow - Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia As for your references to conspiracy theories regarding Russia. Yes, i've been there. I studied the Russian language for five years in the university and i have studied the history fairly extensively as well as delving into the suppressed scientific discoveries that went underground after the USSR collapsed. Some of us really do have a deep understanding of these issues that are firmly based in extensive research rather than banal paranoia and insipid distrust of authority. As for why the UK government would want to instigate such an event to conceive aggressive retribution against Russia, i would guess it has something to do with Putin's plans on dropping the US dollar in favor of an alternative currency. Add to that the banning of Monsanto laced products as well as other moves that have wrankled the US such as banning the adoption of Russian babies to the US market where pedolphelia rings run rampent. The UK is pretty much a puppet to US interests these days instead of the other way around. All the English commonwealth countries also form a tightly knit group. There could be a million other reasons as well, but the truth is, as the Western powers weaken under the inevitable rising of the East, the greatest fear of these old superpowers is that resource rich Russia will partner with China, India and Indonesia to create a new world order that leaves them out in the cold. I have heard convincing arguments that the whole Brexit thing was based on the desire to break from the E.U. in order so that Britain can become the next Switzerland type banking haven for Eastern finance. Purportedly instigated by the monarchy but the schism in the UK is growing stronger everyday with the previously unthinkable of Corbyn actually gaining ground in public opinion. All in all, this is better than a James Bond flick ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 18:15
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Silly Puppy said- "As for your references to conspiracy theories regarding Russia. Yes, i've been there. I studied the Russian language for five years in the university and i have studied the history fairly extensively as well as delving into the suppressed scientific discoveries that went underground after the USSR collapsed. Some of us really do have a deep understanding of these issues that are firmly based in extensive research rather than banal paranoia and insipid distrust of authority. As for why the UK government would want to instigate such an event to conceive aggressive retribution against Russia, i would guess it has something to do with Putin's plans on dropping the US dollar in favor of an alternative currency. Add to that the banning of Monsanto laced products as well as other moves that have wrankled the US such as banning the adoption of Russian babies to the US market where pedolphelia rings run rampent. The UK is pretty much a puppet to US interests these days instead of the other way around. All the English commonwealth countries also form a tightly knit group. There could be a million other reasons as well, but the truth is, as the Western powers weaken under the inevitable rising of the East, the greatest fear of these old superpowers is that resource rich Russia will partner with China, India and Indonesia to create a new world order that leaves them out in the cold. I have heard convincing arguments that the whole Brexit thing was based on the desire to break from the E.U. in order so that Britain can become the next Switzerland type banking haven for Eastern finance. Purportedly instigated by the monarchy but the schism in the UK is growing stronger everyday with the previously unthinkable of Corbyn actually gaining ground in public opinion." Very interesting summarization of English-Russia-East relationships. Although I didn't study Russian for 5 years, I majored in Biology and minored in Russia Translation. My next door neighbor and good friend was born in Russia, defected, and retired last year as a professor at University of North Texas. We talk Russian politics a few times a month. That being said, I believe "False Flags" are more common then the general population believe. There is also a thing some call a "opportunistic false flag". World leaders often practice the belief of- "Never let a good disaster go to waste." In other words Politicians make hay with every disaster and push their devious plans in at a rapid pace after the disaster (opportunistic false flag). Rarely do World Leaders plan for the best of their citizens. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 19:01
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^ looks like we're kindred spirits. I was also a biology major but i was a linguistics freak and studied Russian, German, Spanish, Italian and French as well. All along though i have been very interested in just about every other aspect of reality so call me the ultimate nerd. I fit the bill. There is another aspect as to why false flags occur. I have also been a student of metaphysics and spriritual practices. It seems that black magic is being used to manipulate the world on governmental levels. Purportedly rediscovered by Queen Elizabeth's sorcerer at hand in the 1500s and used to usurp power. I know it sounds crazy but the whole reason pedophilia exists is to split personalities in humans so they can be manipulated by mind control. Also we are living in nothing more than an adult version of Monsters Inc where the power hungry elites harvest our fears after such attacks. Their greatest fear is that our group consciousness will merge and awaken to our true powers. Since they are not allowed by the universe to carry these things out without revealing their intentions, there is purportedly a declaration of the three world wars (one, two and terror) on display in the Library of London i believe. I have heard from those who have seen it that it is indeed quite real. Politicians are not really in control. They are indeed puppets of the hidden elites just as the Pope is a front for the "black pope." It's all really wild the deeper you dig into this stuff. And BTW World Leaders NEVER plan for the best of their citizens. Because when they did (JFK for example) they end up in the ground. The good news is that the insider "alliance" or "white hats" are successfully defeating this cabal of Luciferian cult that has been carrying out the most horrific of atrocities on the human race for millenia. The amount of information i've studied regarded this stuff is encyclopedic in scope but ties together all the dots that are out of everyday site. Living in the Bay Area i've also chatted with a number of Russians since there is a huge population here. Insights into both cultures through their eyes has also proven stimualting. There are many reasons we are villifying Russia and they are not for the crimes that they truly should be villified for since we are carrying out these same crimes against humanity. Hold on to your hats. The wild ride is only beginning. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 15 2018 at 22:32
For decades, the Cheka, NKVD, MGB, GRU, KGB , SVR, FSB and tutti quanti...., had no compunctions whatsoever in hounding ex-patriates, whether real or imagined, especially in the case of scientists. I know full well, being both a historian as well as a refugee from the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. BTW, this uprising was the seed by which the Soviet Empire ultimately crumbled , something I have studied intensely and can conclude that you are absolutely correct in your well-versed opinion. Because there is historical, un-biased evidence of the evilness of the Communist attempt at victory. Even from both sides! It was a failure from the get-go , a country where mismanagement due to POLITICAL primitiveness is well documented , I having heard stories , real ones, that defy imagination . Putin is a potentially lethal maniac because he is extremely smart and beguiling. His logic is water-tight: All is America"s fault! BORING!!!! Ostriches in the sand, beware ! Wake up and read , or better yet , google "Putin interviews" and see for yourself what he says: SCARY! At some of us are! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:10
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Hi Tszirmay (y privet ! ) Yes, quite correct. Since the time of the Tsars, there has always been a state police in Russia which operates without conventional rules. Started with the Okhrana, but it's gone through various incarnations - as you say, the Chekists changed into a variety of state organs: all have acted without any reference to the law and all have operated externally to Russia at some point. At the end of the day, what do we know ? There has been an attack in the UK (this has happened before) against a former spy. This has happened before. Traces have been found of a nerve agent produced in Russia. This has been identified by Porton Down, who are a world authority in producing chemical weapons including the more normal VX agent. Yes, Novichok *could* be synthesized outside of Russia, but it's not the easiest thing to synthesize a nerve agent. A private individual would be incapable of doing it. A company would probably have extreme difficulty. It is theoretically possible but highly unlikely. Strangely, when Kim Jong Un's half brother was assassinated, using VX, in Malaysia, no one came up with any conspiracy theories. Kim Jong Nam was somewhat of an embarassment and liability to North Korea, who are known to have the capacity to manufacture VX. No one pointed a finger elsewhere or looked for a cause external to North Korea. It seems irrational at best to start pointing fingers at anywhere other than either the Kremlin or Russian secret services in the London case. Or speculating with no evidence whatsoever. And that's what gets me about conspiracy theories, they are baseless supposition which goes way beyond a reasonable guess and fully embraces utter paranoid speculation. People believe conspiracy theories because they want to believe them - it suits their own particular views which are unsupported (or unsupportable) by any evidence. Flat earthers, no moon landing, JFK assassination, give us all a break. The simplest answer is always the most likely. Anything else and it all starts sounding like UFO freaks after one spliff too many. ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:15
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Here's a conspiracy theory for you, then. Porton Down synthesize a version of Novichok and then poison a former spy on UK territory. Reason unknown but for a secret reason known only to UK Gov PLC. That would probably be the first time in history it's happened. Now the question - "why would they ? " and also "don't you think that coming to that kind of conclusion is an unprovable step further away from a more rational explanation ? " Another conspiracy theory. The CIA did it. Oh yes, of course, imagine what would happen if CIA operatives were caught with nerve agents in the UK, even with our D notices. And why should they ? So I reckon Jeremy Clarkson is behind this. It's just as logically reasonable a conclusion. Totally unfounded, unprovable and unlikely. ------------- |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 07:43
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^ I've found the simple answer is rarely the real one. It's certainly the lazy route for those not motivated to do the hard work to find the truth if it's even findable. Why does a lightning bolt zigzag instead of descending to the Earth in a straight line? Why do human languages have idioms when the simplest route is mechanical grammatical constructs? Even Corbyn and entire ally countries like France have stated publicly that there is no proof that Russia had anything to do with this. Just like photoshop, evidence, chemicals etc can be easily manipulated for any political means. Even if chemicals were manufactured in Russia by no means is tantamount to the government of Russia being responsible for anything. Russia is guilty of many crimes itself of course and that's not my point in the least but one thing should be clear and that the Soviet Union is not the same nation as what Russia has become so comparisons can only go so far in the 21st century. If complexity starts sounding like a stoned out rant to you, then you seriously need to spend more time digging into the nitty gritty because i do not use drugs at all (unless you count music) and despite being resistent to all these things i've discussed in the beginning, have no choice but to accept the possibilities. The world is to everyone's chagrin, much more complicated than we would like. In the end, it's all about probabilities. Weighing historical precedence with contemporary scenarios that dovetail into those likelihoods. Unless you've you've heard from insider's about the nuts and bolts of how government institutions work and the most unthinkable extremes they will implement to carry out their agenda, this very well may all seem like nebulous drifting and verbose punditry.
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 09:03
What was Russia's motive? Force Trump into levying sanctions on Russia? Looks like many other countries will follow suit. Sergei Skripal served 4 years in Russian Prison. Why wasn't he killed then? It would seem to me that Russia would stand the most to lose by poisoning Skripal with supposedly Russia nerve gas. Certainly the USA or Britain could manufacture and deliver the exact same nerve gas. What benefits would Britain gain? Distraction from Brexit for one. In comparison to UK, USA governments creeping glacierly, agonizingly slow on everything citizens want, need, and demand- The USA - UK reactions and actions against Russia have been lighting quick! Its amazing how fast the governments can move when they want to. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 09:55
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^ it's almost always the case that rushed accusations lacking substantial evidence is a false flag. It's like telltale sign number 1 on the list ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 10:52
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 13:10
I'm the first to admit that history is always written by the winners and there's no more corrupted history to study than Russia's, so that's not a bragging right. Neither is the command of the Russian language which can't even tell you why Russians love vodka and borscht, let alone inform you on the ins and outs of the Russian social/political thought process. I must say that I'm not surprised to see that you can bound with like minded individuals on this subject. Unfortunately, its the way of the world at present. Btw, I studied Greek which means that I can out dance any Zorba in the room. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 13:27
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^ hey! that's total waste of good scotch! Lick it off now! i really can't believe that you aren't getting the gist of this all. I'm not defending Russia, but i'm simply saying that there is no conclusive proof to accuse them either. My comments are more of an indictment of my lack of trust and faith in Western governments than anything about Russia or any other culture. So many false flags and propoganda have been pushed on us in the name of the great commie scare. Official history is indeed written by the elites but there are many more historians who have documented the world while the victors were pushing their agendas. Seriously, my mission is to cast doubt on the official narrative, NOT claim any particular set of claims are correct. If you need a history lesson on false flags, Richard Dolan has done extensive research on the matter and created a university quality series titled False Flags. It's available on the Gaia network. Yes, it's a subscription site but i believe one can view a few episodes free or charge. He gets into all the history, false equivalencies, motivations etc. To be perfectly clear, this is food for thought, not the gospel according to dog https://www.gaia.com/series/false-flags" rel="nofollow - False Flags with Richard Dolan | Gaia Also, my study of Russian language and culture has nothing to do with anything. I have equally studied US culture, British culture, French language and culture, Italian, Spanish and German languages and culture and have dabbled in dozens of other languages including Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, Finnish, Navajo and countless others. All it means is i have a firm grasp on their overarching historical developments not an insight into KGB tactics or clandestine mafia-esque illuminati.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 13:43
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^ No one could be more distrustful of governments than an old American hippie like me, so I do acknowledge that your feelings derive from this distrust, which I feel is healthy. What I feel is not healthy is when people trust those that claim to be above the mess and get their kicks in sprouting "alternate facts". There's just too much of that at present and that is the real enemy of truth. Now back to my scotch and another tango with Zorba.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 14:53
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^ the reason i brought up my study of Russian language and culture is to give a sense of my commitment to a subject before i feel i have any authority to even have an intelligible opinion. If anything i have posted here appears as "alternative" facts to you means you simply haven't delved into this stuff as much as i have. Take it or leave it any way that you want but do realize that there are many of us out there who have derived our opinions from extensive research and not just someone else's word. I'm merely presenting things for others to investigate on their own ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 17:40
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[QUOTE=Davesax1965]Here's a conspiracy theory for you, then. Porton Down synthesize a version of Novichok and then poison a former spy on UK territory. Reason unknown but for a secret reason known only to UK Gov PLC. That would probably be the first time in history it's happened. Now the question - "why would they ? " and also "don't you think that coming to that kind of conclusion is an unprovable step further away from a more rational explanation ? " As the UK Defence secretary Gavin Williamson announced that Porton Down was going to receive £48 million to create a new chemical & biological warfare facility, it has sorted of answered your question 'why would they' and suddenly it no longer looks like a 'conspiracy theory'.. And no, I don't actually believe that's what happened.. but it also comes at a time when many schools are at a point of financial collapse, along with the national health system and this sort of expense would not be tolerated by the general tax-paying public. ------------- |
Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: March 16 2018 at 18:46
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Reveal proof of details obtained from the chemical at the scene. Russia say they stopped making it in 1990. So if it's later in its concoction. Anyway, the least that can happen is it's easily the end of a leader. Take your pick! Voted Other. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 08:52
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 09:45
What makes Silly Puppy's hypothesis warped? Is it because Silly Puppy's viewpoint disagrees with MSM? MSM and (USA,UK,EU) governments were wrong about "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in IRAQ. "Half a million civilians dead" and 7 Trillion American tax payer dollars later, we are suppose to believe everything Western Governments say? Tell me why I should believe the UK Government's explanation for Skripal's poisoning? What proof does the Theresa May have? SteveG, "what agency or government" do you belief poisoned Skripal and why do you believe what you believe? Please provide Proof or Logic. Arguments based on "appeal to authority" can be "logically fallacious". However, I believe both SteveG and Silly Puppy are sincere when they speak of their qualifications and personal political histories. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 09:55
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^ A big part of conspiracy theory is the elaborate complication of the so called "facts." by the theorists. Let's keep things simple, shall we. A great man once wrote a simple statement in the hopes that his fellow citizens would not be bamboozled by wild hyperbole and complicated minutia of detail. It goes like this: "We hold these truths to be self evident". If your theories cannot be verified using an examination by this simple statement then they are warped. As far as my reasoning for UK's position, do the work and backtrack through these posts and you'll find it.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 10:33
not picking a side.. for that would take knowing what is going on.. but that post. Spot on frickin gold... for I recognize my own faults in your words of wisdom Steve. There is a lot of stupidity and ignorance out there that gave us the current sh*t show we have.. the problem is .. there is so much.. it is easy to assume that most o the people you interactive with virtually are amoung the 80% that vote without considering the consequence.. that express opinions without thought. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 10:42
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oh and far what the UK should do.. what we should have done..send a real mesage. Again why Putin wanted the orange fool than Iron Hillary. next time Putin sends one of his toy 80's tech jets on some silly flyby.. blow the f**ker out of the sky. He knows he is a man among children with Trump and May.. talk a good game.. but not an ounce of backbone. Hillary likely scared Putin.. she scared me.. and I don't scare easy. About the only women I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley.. though I did want some of that ass....
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 10:53
Iron Hillary? Really? Is that why Hillary signed off on sending 20% of American Uranium to Russia? Iron Hillary wanted to send a message. Well Hillary sent the message cause Russian donors donated 150 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation. Iron Hillary terrifying Russia- |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 11:17
I reviewed your statements on thread. 1. Russia's history of killing spies. 2." If the British got this wrong, it makes up for the hundreds of other unmentioned acts by the Russians. So be it. " 3."The UK, unlike the Trump crowd, does not state their intelligence findings, that's why you have no proof." 4. "We hold these truths to be self evident". -"If your theories cannot be verified using an examination by this simple statement then they are warped." Would you like to add anything else to your reasoning? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 11:18
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hahaha... say what you will... but Hillary scarred the bully and despot that is Putin. And as Thomas so eloquently stated earlier.. Putin is a menace and threat to world stabilty and peace.. and not surprisingly is best bro's with world menace #2.. our own f**king over his head and lost in twitter space President. (of red America haha) ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 17 2018 at 17:09
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Oh brother. Funny how those who are confronted with an opposing opinion always scream conspiracy theorist! Regarding false flags, there is absolutely nothing i've presented that isn't a matter of public record and meticulously documented. I have no comments for the nonsense i've read. I don't waste time on these things. All i want is to show a valuable resource that will clearly demonstrate the patterns in which these events occur. And unfortunately the world is complex so that will eliminate many from pursuing them. If you don't find these things helpful, here's some advice: don't read or watch them! For those who have an open mind and find new information stimulating regarding world events please check out Richard Dolan's excellent series False Flags. I know of it on Gaia (which costs $10 a month but i think you can watch a few freebies) but it very well may be available on Netflix or elsewhere. While all this information is taught in more progressive univesities around the world, i've never experienced it laid out quite so elegantly. Episode 1 https://www.gaia.com/video/age-false-flags" rel="nofollow - The Age of False Flags Episode 2 https://www.gaia.com/video/history-false-flags" rel="nofollow - History of False Flags Episode 3 https://www.gaia.com/video/modern-age-deception" rel="nofollow - The Modern Age of Deception Episode 4 https://www.gaia.com/video/false-flags-nazi-party" rel="nofollow - False Flags of the Nazi Party Episode 5 https://www.gaia.com/video/propaganda-machine-leading-wwii" rel="nofollow - Propaganda Machine Leading Up to WWII Episode 6 https://www.gaia.com/video/false-flags-cold-war" rel="nofollow - False Flags of the Cold War Episode 7 https://www.gaia.com/video/false-flags-and-regime-change" rel="nofollow - False Flags and Regime Change Episode 8 https://www.gaia.com/video/investigating-911" rel="nofollow - Investigating 9/11 Episode 9 https://www.gaia.com/video/unraveling-911" rel="nofollow - Unraveling 9/11 Episode 10 https://www.gaia.com/video/power-knowledge" rel="nofollow - The Power of Knowledge If anyone wants to talk about anything of substance regarding these issues or about any particular point i've made, i'm all ears, OTHERWISE this is mostly empty content. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 05:27
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I'm afraid that the amount of conspiracy theories on this post are tempting me to put up an "Am I an idiot ? " post with just a "yes" button, and to sit back and wait and see what happens. ------------- |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 05:29
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@cosmiclawnmower - exactly. I was trying to show how idiotic the idea is that Porton Down, the CIA or perhaps even Jeremy Clarkson would be involved. ------------- |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 07:07
conspiracy- a secret plan by a two or more people to do something unlawful or harmful: Therefore the proposition that Putin or Russia poisoned Skripal with a nerve gas is a....Conspiracy Theory. False flags result in actual death and destruction? False flags often use real weapons. Ergo, just because Theresa May claims a Russia nerve agent was found on site, does NOT disprove a false flag. If Theresa May does not provide proof that Russia poisoned Skripal, yet Theresa May proposes that Russia conspired to poison Skripal, then Theresa May just put forth a Conspiracy Theory. If I point out the definition of "false flags" and "conspiracy theory, that doesn't make what I said a conspiracy theory. Definition of False Flag. "False flag terrorism" occurs when elements within a government stage a secret operation whereby government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people. The attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 12:45
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Speculation (about who did what and why) and 5 pounds will get you a cup of coffee at a trendy bistro in London. Saying it's a false flag is pure speculation.....but people certainly have the right to make such claims. btw...regarding the False Flag series cited above by Richard Dolan.....he's a known alien and ufo conspiracy theorist and many in that genre think he's a bit loony (though some of them are 'out there' also), I have read his early books many years ago on ufos and the national security state. Not exactly a source I would use to prove a point or argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Dolan
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 13:40
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I didn’t read the whole of this thread, so someone might have made this point before. It seems highly unlikely to me that the Russians were behind this attack. It just doesn’t fit their usual MO (in a peaceful country, anyway). I mean let’s face it: if these guys are good at anything at all, it’s bumping people off; efficiently and with minimum fuss. But this was just either a giant f*ckup or some demonstration or other. What happened to the discreet drop of cyanide in the drinky-poo or the elegant stabby-stabby in a crowd? It just doesn’t seem feasible that someone in Russia thought it might be appropriate to spray a small town in England with nerve gas and hope for the best. And on top of that the victim(s) survive? Give me a break! The Russians are getting constantly better at this stuff, not worse. To me it looks like some sort of proof of concept, Blofeld-style. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 13:47
Any claims are speculation. That's the whole point! There are many government whistleblowers who have confirmed extraterrestrial life exists including former Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Helyer, but honestly that's not relevant to the topic. Dolan's investigation into these topics are substantiated by a real phenomena. Even my mother has seen real UFOs. Not relevant to the False Flag series which is based on mdticulous research. If you haven't seen it then you'll have no idea where I'm coming from. Point blank, all I'm saying is that there is no evidence to make any conclusions and a whole history of government deception means many of us will never trust a single thing that comes out of their weasly lying lips. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 14:25
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Sorry, but I think most people have learnt that you can't trust the government (except the Trump administration, of course), but isn't bringing conspiracy theories and UFOs into it going a bit far? I'd hush up about that, if you want to be taken seriously. Then again the attack on Salisbury might just have been alien farts. What do I know? |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 16:33
| If UFOs aren't real, where did the government get the technology to fake the moon landings? |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 18 2018 at 17:54
First of all this whole thread is a conspiracy theory in its nature. Secondly everybody knows that it was alien farts that caused the attack but what they don't know is that they were sent here from a slave poodle encampment on Uranus where DNA extracted from Richard Nixon's left testicle created a mutant strain of ebola-bunny that mated with unicorns from Atlantis. It's either that or because Salisbury steaks are crap Seriously, Dr Wu brought up the UFO thang. Just because someone investigates the unknown doesn't discredit them. Staunch disbelief in the possibilities is just as fundamentalist as tin foil hat conspiracies with absolutely no proof. Oh, wait, i sense this thread is in need of comedic relief moment. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 19 2018 at 03:28
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This thread is in need of a talking sense moment. :-) ------------- |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 19 2018 at 04:12
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Date Posted: March 19 2018 at 04:55
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 19 2018 at 06:10
There hasn't been one moment of sense on this entire chat starting with the title. Why start now? ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 19 2018 at 10:38
This was debunked by numerous people. Please update your brain. https://www.vox.com/2017/11/17/16658080/uranium-one-clinton-russia-chart" rel="nofollow - https://www.vox.com/2017/11/17/16658080/uranium-one-clinton-russia-chart http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/24/what-you-need-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-urani/" rel="nofollow - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/24/what-you-need-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-urani/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/" rel="nofollow - https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-repeated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/?utm_term=.89bca73190df" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-repeated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/?utm_term=.89bca73190df https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/opinion/uranium-deal-clinton-russia.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/opinion/uranium-deal-clinton-russia.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/10/27/claims-of-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-are-a-real-empty-barrel/#4a9643567b55" rel="nofollow - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/10/27/claims-of-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-are-a-real-empty-barrel/#4a9643567b55 https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/06/561587174/the-alternative-russia-scandal" rel="nofollow - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/06/561587174/the-alternative-russia-scandal Even Shepard Smith of Fox News debunked it: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/fox-news-anchor-debunks-networks-clinton-uranium-scandal-sparking-fury ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 19 2018 at 14:43
Your sources are bias and wrong. And that includes Shepard Smith. Maybe you should update your brain. Here, let me help you... My source is World's leading expert on the Clinton Foundation- Charles Ortel. Ortel has studied the Clinton Foundation (and little else) for years. That includes Uranium One, Haiti, and every country or organization related to the Clinton Foundation. But don't believe me, check out... http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/05/a-harvard-mba-guy-is-out-to-bring-down-the-clintons/ "Sundays with Charles" is a video series in which Charles Ortel meticulously combs through every line of every piece Clinton Foundation Paper work: Every expenditure, donation, country of origin, tax fraud, ect ect. So far? Over 100 hours of video- 58 episodes and counting. The FBI, IRS, tax agencies around the world, and members of Congress watch Ortel's dissection of the Clinton Foundation. Ortel is teaching the IRS, FBI, and other organizations around the world- How to investigate the Clinton Foundation. "Sundays with Charles" After watching around 50 hours myself, I've seen so much Clinton paperwork explained to me that I feel I'm taking a Masters level College Class. And it is a class. And its impressive. I'll provide a link to the class. You get access to all the videos and if you are an investigator... Ortel will send you all Clinton Foundation paperwork relevant to the area of the Clinton Foundation (CF) you're investigating plus connections with others operating upon the same sections of the CF that that you're investigating. Here's Yesterday's episode staring Robyn Gritz. Google Robyn and see what pops up. She was all over the news this weekend. Robyn is an enemy of recently fired FBI agent Andrew McCabe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUn_ygciTIc&t=119s Or watch Ortel drill down deep for almost 3 hours on the "2016 Clinton Foundation Charity filings" in this episode... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVH16yc8TOY&t=3s |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 02:17
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I always find myself impressed by the reasoning as demonstrated very ably here by someone like ophtalmocsclerosis, for instance. It brings everything back into perspective. Why should we talk about things like nuclear threats, North Korea, Iran, trade wars, Russian election hacking, the Mueller investigation, dead school kids, and many others, when we should be concentrating on Hillary's e-mails and imaginary deals? Thank goodness we've got people like that to keep us grounded in reality. A big thank you to you for your tireless efforts. You put the FU back into FUN. PS. @ophtalmocsclerosis: Ah, I've just noticed that you're in Texas. I'm sure it's very nice there. I think someone might have left a parcel for you on your doorstep. Why don't you go out and shoot it? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 03:43
No vote as I am not a UK citizen. If this happened on Dutch soil, I'd say blame the Ukrainian government. Maybe that would bring things into balance, just a bit...  ------------- 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 04:08
 I woke up feeling like I'm getting the flu. Or perhaps I've been poisoned, as anything seems possible in this thread! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 06:36
I appreciate the levity, wit, and comedy. Nuclear threats and North Korea? Trump is negotiating with NK to denuclearize. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/13/the-denuclearization-of-north-korea/ Trade Wars? Trade Wars are perpetual. When has there not been a trade war? Russia Election Hacking? Explain this one to me npjnpj. Mueller Investigation? Wasn't it suppose to be about Russian/Trump collusion? So far zero evidence of Russian-Trump collusion. A Nothing Burger. Am I missing something? Dead School Kids? You speak of the 17 Parkland deaths. Kids and teachers. Why don't we talk about Opioid overdose deaths? 64,000 Americans died of overdoses in 2016. 2/3's were opioid overdoses. 2015 - 21 school shooting deaths 2016- 9 school shooting deaths 2017- 15 school shooting deaths School shooting deaths include: Universities, Technical institutes, school parking lots, shootings on school property at any hour such as 3:00AM and children on the way "to or from" school. Approximately half the deaths are adults and several deaths are the shooter. I didn't bring up Hillary's Emails. However, I expect a 2nd Special Council will be convened later this year to investigate Hillary's emails, imaginary deals, and FISA abuse. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 06:59
Haven't you learned by now that threads on PA almost NEVER stay on topic? Look, as far as i'm concerned the very title of this thread RUSSIAN CHEMICAL ATTACK ON UK is a conspiracy theory in its own regard and therefore since there is zero proof of any accusations, it opens the door to almost all speculation. And furthermore since no incident or set of circumstances occurs in a vacuum, it tends to bring up many outlying subjects that lie on the fringe of the topic at hand. So, if you don't want to feel poisoned, i suggest you stick to the BAND X vs BAND Y section ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 07:04
Please post or send me the links to that. I've heard from insiders that there will also be mass arrests over pedaphelia rings. Apparently at least half of our Congress (both Dem and Rep) are going down soon. There is currently a civil war in our government and i have been told that on a day soon there will be a mass assassination of those who don't surrender. If this is true (and i've plenty of reasons to consider it so) there will be a change of guard virtually overnight. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 07:08
Yes, the thread title was designed to be provocative and to 'stimulate lively debate' ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 10:31
All I'm going to say is that I hope someday you'll find your way out of that rabbit hole you've fallen into. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 13:35
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 13:47
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 14:49
Betting on fiat currency which is nearing its own end game would be a futile bet, my friend ;) Unless you have studied the shadow government activities you will have zero idea what i'm talking about. Believe it or not there is a break off group of individuals who have in effect amassed a mutiny within the establishment and it has reached the point where its a mass shoot out on multiple levels. You can think i'm crazy or misinformed or whatever but it's not my job to convince anybody of anything but rather seed consciousness with extreme probabilities. While the exact details of what will come to pass can never be precisely predicted, i strongly believe that something big is going down soon based on my having listened to countless hours of these whistleblowers turned rebels having laid out a basic plan to take back the system from the dark forces. If you look around and see the signs of how things are playing out, it's coming together exactly as they've stated. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: March 20 2018 at 14:50
And i think i can speak for all of us that we are quite happy you survived! Congrats on another day in PA paradise ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |