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Topic: Can Prog Be Prog Without Sound?
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Subject: Can Prog Be Prog Without Sound?
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 12:06
LOL

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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 12:17
Not until John Cage is added to PA.

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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 12:51
 This is going to go on all week, Isn't it? Wacko


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 13:25
this is the most pointless of them all, just for fun section please :)


Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 14:12
If a prog band plays in the forest and there is no one there to hear, do they still play a song?

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 14:15
yes

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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 15:25
The fantastic gatefold album sleeves and lyric sheets still rule!

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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 15:45
Great topic.  I was thinking of this because I have been actively texting a deaf friend who is into the arts.  I think music can be represented in many ways without sound.  At a science and art exhibition a few years ago, an artist created a machine you laid down in which vibrated musical pieces through-out your body.  

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 15:50
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

Great topic.  I was thinking of this because I have been actively texting a deaf friend who is into the arts.  I think music can be represented in many ways without sound.  At a science and art exhibition a few years ago, an artist created a machine you laid down in which vibrated musical pieces through-out your body.  

Vibrations with progressive braille for lyrics Tongue


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 16:30
Can there be music without sound?


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 16:31
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PROG!!!

https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4177889769726575312#editor/target=post;postID=560822480954739031;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=126;src=postname


This week (March 9, 2013) I read through an old discussion thread on ProgArchives that was started by "TheGazzardian" back on April 2, 2010 that was entitled, " http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66287&FID=58" rel="nofollow - There is no such thing as prog ." I was also researching multiple posts and discussions about the 'official' and personal definitions of "prog" or "progressive rock." Also, I'd been thinking about my own recent post on  http://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/2013/03/controversy-what-rock-elements-should.html" rel="nofollow - what elements of rock 'n'roll should or are required/expected within the prog rock world. This got me started trying to actually make the Venn diagram of prog that I'd been talking about for a while.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/7/7a/20091220020112!Venn_diagram_cmyk.svg" rel="nofollow">

A Venn Diagram


First, I put a big circle on a piece of paper with the word "progressive rock" inside. Then I put a circle next to that one in a way that about 30-40% overlapped (or intersected) with the "prog" sphere and labeled it "Rock'n'Roll." Next to this I drew another circle overlapping the same 30-40% with the "prog" circle, named it "Jazz" but realized that this one also needed to overlap with the "Rock'n'Roll" circle. Then I put another circle on the other side of the "Rock" circle, intersecting with both the "Prog" one and the "Rock'n'Roll" one, and labelled it "Classical." But then realized that it needed to also intersect with the "Jazz" circle. The same goes for the "Folk/Traditional" and "World" music circles that I proceeded to try to add:  How was I to get them all to appropriately intersect with one another?

 



Prog?



     Then I realized something more crucial:  The tiny little nucleus of the "Prog" circle that is alone, an entity unto itself, that is, supposedly, untouched by the influences of other musics, DOES NOT EXIST!! It finally dawned on me how right TheGazzardian was:  Prog, as a singular, independent, isolated, self-creating, self-defining entity does not existThere is no Prog without any or all of the other music genres!


                                                                      Folk/Traditional

                                                         World (green)                                                         Classical (pink)

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Jazz                                  Rock'n'Roll

                                

Prog!

(Prog can occur at the intersection of any two or more of the five musical genres cited.)


     Progressive Rock is an offspring, an amalgamation, a synthesis, a b*****d or a love child (depending on your point of view) of elements from other musical genres. Progressive Rock does not and cannot exist without at least two of the other musical genres, for it is the outcome of the marriage/synthesis of two or more musical forms!

     So, does this mean my blog is now obsolete? So long as music lovers are referring to a category of music that they call "prog" or "progressive rock" then I will continue writing. (And listening!) This does, however, further validate my argument against the "rock'n'roll" requirement(s) of prog. For example, should a song, album or artist create, record, and publish a folk song using classical instrumentation, I might hear it and consider it "progressive" even though it contains no Rock elements. Just as classical renderings of classic prog music have become popular (e.g., 1993's Symphonic Music of Yes, 1995's Us and Them: Symphonic Pink Floyd, a whole mess of KRONOS QUARTET and VITAMIN STRING QUARTET recordings and, most recently, THE MUSICAL BOX's keyboard player, David Myers covering Genesis music on acoustic piano on David Myers Plays Genesis), so original compositions that artists and critics might consider "classical" I might hear and call them "progressive" (e.g. STEVE REICH, PHILLIP GLASS, WIM WENDERS, CLINT MANSELL, HANS ZIMMER). Therefore, let go! Ye listeners with close-minded set definitions of "progressive" music! Or, better yet, let's call it something different. Get rid of the limiting word "rock." Progressive music. Cross-genre music! Multi-genre music! Boundary-less music! Eclectic composition! Mixxed music! Melting pot music! Melange music! Kitchen sink music! Gumbo! Compost! Vampire music! Assimilative music. Tertiary music. Adventurous music. Orphean music. Integrative music. Amalgamated music. Paradigm-shift music. Envelope pushing music. "Outside the box" music. Creative music integration/synthesis. Multi-chakra music. Mural music. Abstract music. Surreal music. Metamusic. Supra-music. Intellectual music. Mental music. Musical smörgåsborg. Musical buffet. Walkabout music. Starving artist music. Jungian music. Experimental music. Affective music. Afferent music. Ionic composition. Libertarian music. Democratic music. Socialized music. Technical music. Filibuster music. Ever-expanding Universe music. Nebulanic or supernova music. Titanic music. Designer music. Gourmet music. Hybridized music. Bio-engineered music. Anti-socialized music. Music of the Stubborn and Reverent. Genius music. Anarchistic music. Archistic music. Symbionic synthesis. Expansive music. Unglaciated music. Illustrious music. Visual music. Brackish music. Foreward music. Innovative music. Novel music. Airy music. Salubrious music. White collar music. Radical music. Rational music. Barometric music. Aquarian music. Expressionist music. Intellectual music. Pioneer music. Exploratory music. Quantum music. Organic music. Musique anthropologique. Esoteric music. Inspired music. Evolutionary music. Maximalism. Glorified instrument music. Musician's music. Instrumentalists' music.



"If it ain't progressive then it cain't be prog!" -- Samuel Clemens 




 



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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 17:15
Just like clapping with one hand.


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 17:24
If a bear sh*ts in the woods, is it prog?

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 17:26
^ It depends how complex the chemical equation of it is.........


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 18:08
well the time between the notes relates the color to the scene and it is the time between the notes where there is no soundErmm


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 18:38
A pregnant pause, perhaps ??


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 19:02
If Georgia O'Keefe can paint visual music then someone can create soundless Prog.

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Posted By: *willo_stardüüst_ii*
Date Posted: May 30 2018 at 21:45
Why the fk not!

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 02:18
John Cage & John Lennon/Yoko Ono


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 06:14
Please stop.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 06:15
On a serious note, we can have prog without sounds: it's called "songbook".
If you write a 15 minutes song organised in 4 or 5 sections to be played in a 9/7 rhythm, arranged for guitars, drums, keyboards and bagpipes, but with no one to play it, you can have prog without sound.

QED.


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 10:20
Back when it was cool to make a 25-minute long song that was actually 11 minutes long, followed by 13 minutes of silence and then a one-minute outro is evidence that the answer is yes.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 11:13
Prog without sound? Isn't that the same as saying the space between notes?

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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 15:33
Yes, Nosound is definitely an excellent prog group


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 09:23
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

If a bear sh*ts in the woods, is it prog?

Might be considered so, if it eventually becomes some manure that allows for some flowers to grow!

Wink

My point has been for a long time that unplugging it, will tell you the answer that you seek.

The best example, is how Rachel Flowers takes ELP's pieces and does them on piano and/or organ, and each piece stands up just fine. Listening to her piano rendition of "Tarkus" and other bits, stands out so strongly, that it allows you to find that the music was a lot more than just a hit song for the radio ... a heck of a lot more, DE. 

To me, this is the part missing. Even YES, is not getting the "classical" approach as much, although RW has been doing a lot of acoustic piano stuff these days, which allow you to see that the composition side of it is as progressive in music as anything that we consider ... but too many bands do not really make it, in this area, I DO NOT THINK, if they are unplugged, and this would be a very good test for them.

Thus, it becomes a case of preference about each band and their music, and I doubt that the history of music for hundreds of years is really STRICTLY about the people's preferences at the time. Usually, a lot of people did not even understand the music a whole lot, and many "composers" suffered for it.

Why, do we, keep repeating the same errors in discussing the music? 

PROGRESSIVE should NEVER be about the sound itself ... it should be about the music itself. It's what makes it incredible and valuable to your experience. The sound will be gone and lost tomorrow ... 


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 09:54
Originally posted by Dopeydoc Dopeydoc wrote:

Yes, Nosound is definitely an excellent prog group
I was waiting for someone to mention Nosound. Well done!

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 09:56
It might be time to look for a new prog forum..........

;)


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Posted By: axeman
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 09:35
I abstained. There did not seem to be a "WTF, Dude?" option. 

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 09:40
^ Yes, but it still got you to place your 150th post in 8 years! Tongue

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 10:02
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Yes, but it still got you to place your 150th post in 8 years! Tongue

LOL
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Ouch


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 19:39
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Yes, but it still got you to place your 150th post in 8 years! Tongue

LOL....he's averaging 18.7 posts a year.


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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 04:34
Yes, of course, I have a prog album on my turntable. It doesn't play right now and I can't hear a sound. But I swear that yesterday night,I put a prog album on my turntable !


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 04:51

Can these polls get even funnier than this?

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 08:01
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Yes, but it still got you to place your 150th post in 8 years! Tongue

LOL....he's averaging 18.7 posts a year.

At least he doesn't bother everyone with the same post about what he dislikes ad nauseam like some others do.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 09:58
^Or posts constantly about what he's listening to when no one really gives a sh*t.

;)


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 10:07
Yes, you can have prog without sound. Just stand there and not play your instrument for 20 minutes, which is very hard to do in odd time signatures.


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 10:37
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^Or posts constantly about what he's listening to when no one really gives a sh*t.

;)



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Posted By: noni
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 10:39
Just turn the volume down whilst it's still playing...  Big smile   


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 10:51


Posted By: axeman
Date Posted: June 12 2018 at 20:38
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Yes, but it still got you to place your 150th post in 8 years! Tongue

LOL....he's averaging 18.7 posts a year.

At least he doesn't bother everyone with the same post about what he dislikes ad nauseam like some others do.

Let alone the little fact that 2018 - 2008 = 10 years, and 15 posts a year. Tongue


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 12 2018 at 22:36
Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

Yes, of course, I have a prog album on my turntable. It doesn't play right now and I can't hear a sound. But I swear that yesterday night,I put a prog album on my turntable !

OH yeah! My albums are indeed still prog even if they're sitting on the shelf! Wink


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Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 15:40
I guess so, but only for a while...


Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 16:48
a fart without sound is still a fart. 


Posted By: SamMac
Date Posted: June 14 2018 at 23:18
Obligatory Pootie Tang post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtCxvv8Y3Bs



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