1974: Canterbury Scene, Sound or Flavour albums
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Topic: 1974: Canterbury Scene, Sound or Flavour albums
Posted By: Logan
Subject: 1974: Canterbury Scene, Sound or Flavour albums
Date Posted: September 01 2018 at 20:21
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Once again, I have avoided singles, compilations and live albums. I decided on these: Arti & Mestieri - Tilt (Immagini per un orecchio) Camel - Mirage Cos - Postaeolian Train Robbery Darryl Way's Wolf - Night Music Dr. Dopo Jam - Fat Dogs and Danishmen Egg - The Civil Surface Gong - Radio Gnome Invisible Vol. 3 - You Hatfield and the North - Hatfield and the North Henry Cow - Unrest Isotope - Illusion Isotope - Isotope Kevin Ayers - The Confessions of Doctor Dream and Other Stories Melodiya Ensemble - Labyrinth Perigeo - Genealogia Placebo - Placebo Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Sweet Okay Supersister - Spiral Staircase Sass Tortilla Flat - Für ein ¾ Stündchen I know it's kind of weird how I ordered the list as I opted not to include, say, Robert Wyatt and Kevin Ayers in the "W" and "A" positions (as it should be listed alphabetically by last name). I wasn't planning to include Camel in this, as I find this less Canterbury sounding than the debut (aside from "Supertwister" and "Earthrise"), but opted to. Since it's not a contest, I don't think it matters if the votes turn out unbalanced. Also Henry Cow's Unrest is less Canterbury sound than the debut, but is still fit for this poll methinks. I've listed Hatfield and the North again, because I treat it as a 1974 album release (but opted to still include it in 1973 since PA lists it for that year). Some of this music is more of a stretch than others, but I wanted to include it all, and all has Canterbury flavours within to my sensibilities. Again, when voting don't worry about how Canterbury you find an album, or if you disagree with any year placement, vote for whatever you like. Please list others that could fit. For various Canterbury Scene/ Sound lovers, choosing just one might prove very challenging, and some I expect will decline to (if forced to pick, I would find it very hard to go against Rock Bottom). Feel free to vote even if you've havent heard most of these albums (would hope you've heard a few of them at least, mostly because there are great albums in the list). ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: September 01 2018 at 21:49
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Hatfield this time :) ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: September 01 2018 at 23:50
| Kevin again, really love also Gong & Wyatt. |
Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 02:12
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Egg! ------------- Categories strain, crack and sometimes break, under their burden - step out of the space provided. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 02:15
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the Robert Wyatt, Gong, Cos, Henry Cow, Arti & Mestieri, Camel, Perigeo, Placebo, Egg, Camel and Hatfield-options are all rather essential to me. But well I've never not voted for Rock Bottom. Haven't heard Melodiya Ensemble, Tortilla Flat or Dr. Dopo Jam so look forward to that - if I can find them. ------------- 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 08:16
| Very hard to choose among this great and long list of fantastic albums. I'm still going with Camel, I really love Mirage, but I could have easily voted for any of them. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 08:19
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For once apparently in line with the crowd, I can't vote against Rock Bottom on this one. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 08:26
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https://www.comelol.com/uploads/2018/7//rockbottom_839017.jpg" rel="nofollow - Rock Bottom is rock solid. [img]
Here is the Tortilla Flat: Here is the Melodiya Ensemble, which is Soviet jazz-funk, but has Canterbury sound elements within to these ears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgwNtnGYBAg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgwNtnGYBAg Dr. Dopo Jam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4BwIJ-blTA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4BwIJ-blTA ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Saperlipopette! wrote:Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 10:54
Mirage is one of my all time fave albums so gets the vote...though to my ears it's the least Canterbury like album in Camel's 70's discography  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 11:06
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"Supertwister" and "Earthrise" sound Canterbury Sound-like to me, the rest based on memory of that album, not so much. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 11:56
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WAY tougher poll this time. AeM, Isotope, Hatfield, Gong, Camel... EGG G G GGE ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 15:27
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As in the other poll, my favorite album is Mirage, bit Camel is not Canterbury, so my vote goes to the marvelous Rock Bottom ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 15:49
Not sure if this is needed, but just to clarify (also for anyone who read this thread and plans to vote): I wish I'd gone into more detail in my opening posts (this time I was too succinct), adding either Camel album to the lists was not meant to imply that it is Canterbury Scene or even Canterbury Sound, but that I feel that it has a musical relation to Canterbury Sound music (Mirage less so than the Camel debut). A Canterbury flavour if you will. As I said in my opening post, "I wasn't planning to include Camel in this, as I find this less Canterbury sounding than the debut (aside from "Supertwister" and "Earthrise"), but opted to ... Some of this music is more of a stretch than others, but I wanted to include it all, and all has Canterbury flavours within to my sensibilities [or senses]. Again, when voting don't worry about how Canterbury you find an album, or if you disagree with any year placement, vote for whatever you like. Please list others that could fit." I deliberately wanted to think outside fairly narrow Canterbury Scene and Canterbury Sound boxes to go into music that I feel has Canterbury sound/style flavours. Another way I could have put it is "Canterbury Scene and Canterbury Sound/Style albums plus albums with a Musical Relation to my Ears", but that's a bit too unwieldy for a topic. Sorry if my intentions were unclear to anyone. That said, I'm glad to see another vote for the terrific Rock Bottom. Of course if you choose to vote for a different album to your favourite because you feel it should be Canterbury (I can appreciate such a purist attitude), that's up to you, but that wasn't my intention when setting this up, so that's playing by your "rules" rather than what was my intent. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 16:07
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The purpose of polls is in my vision, speaking about albums. Therecaren't winners nor losers, and while Mirage is an albums that gives me a lot of good vibrations (the first time I've listened to it I was in a desert), Rock Bottom features Sinclair and Oldfield and is a fully Canterbury album, the best ecer released by Wyatt, IMO ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 16:34
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There are no winners or losers in my polls as far as I'm concerned, they are merely intended as accessories to discussion and vehicles intended for discovery and re-discovery (both for me and hopefully others). Of course one is free to decide on how to vote through one's own vision, but I would hope to have effectively communicated my vision, my intent, when putting these things together. I prefer Rock Bottom to Mirage, and opted to include Camel because I thought that some people would appreciate the inclusion. That said, leaving it out would seem "off" since I had endeavored to think outside of fairly narrow categorisations and into "related" musical territories (Canterbury sound-Related so to speak). I appreciate all who take the time to share their thoughts and participate in dialectic in these topics. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 16:57
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I'm voting Mirage - Camel - because I simply cannot ignore one of my favourite prog albums of all time. Whether it is particularly Canterbury in feel - I won't comment (probably not) - but I'm going with Logan's view on these polls about keeping it a broad sweep. The Canterbury scene is one I dip in and out of, but can't say it holds my attention compared to other genres and groups - but there are definitely gems in there - when they don't get too soppy lyrically and musically. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 17:19
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Feel free to comment, Squonk, as you see fit (same goes with everyone else). Yeah, this poll is meant to be fairly broad in approach. I genuinely always enjoy reading your posts by the way, and I've had some of my favourite conversations with you at this forum. It's a good community -- glad to be part of it. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 17:25
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^ The albums listed in these types of polls always give me ideas to explore - and gets me out of my symphonic prog, neo-prog or crossover prog comfort zones. The views of PA members are always worthy of consideration. Definitely be revisiting Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom after fall these years, for example! Excuse the edits, but autocorrect is trying to get me to say Rick Bottom! I do like Wakeman - but that's going too far! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: September 02 2018 at 18:26
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Once again its can, this time by a wider margin as Mirage is a total classic. (But I havent heard everything on the list) |
Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 08:32
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Voted Camel over Hatfield but want to mention Perigeo "Geneology". It's a great album, somewhat obscure and completely different than anything else they recorded (also my favorite), but I wonder if it fits in the Canterbury style. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 08:48
To me it has some Canterbury style flavours without being Canterbury style. It's one of those out-of-the-box selections on my list that I think might appeal to quite a few who are into a Canterbury style. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 09:00
Thank you! Started out with the Soviet jazz-funk and was pretty blown away - great, wild fun! Tortilla Flat was more immediately Canterbury-sounding (always a good thing) - like Supersister without the jokes. Loved it. Only Dr. Dope left. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 09:07
The Soviet one is my favourite of those, glad you liked it. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 09:24
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Hatfield and the North for me. That album pretty much sums up everything that was so unique about the Canterbury Scene and one of the top albums of the entire scene. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 12:19
Still would have voted Camel but including Greenslade's 3rd album, "Spyglass Guest" would have made it a tougher choice  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 12:24
I've only heard Greenslade's self-titled, will check into that one anon. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 12:42
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Still Hatfield, but Mirage and Civil Surface are close. Honorable mentions to Rock Bottom and You. ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 15:05
If you already like the first album you really can't go wrong with the next 2, Bedside Manners Are Extra & Spyglass Guest ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 16:53
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Hatfield and the North and RW Rock Bottom tie for the top. I do Like HC Unrest and Gong You very much also. And Mirage I adore but to me it exists in a slightly (only slightly, mind) different place.. ------------- |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: September 03 2018 at 18:18
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Many great albums here - Mirage, You, and Hatfields
But Rock Bottom is particularly special and unique.
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 04 2018 at 06:23
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Going with Mirage . . . ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 04 2018 at 07:35
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Second vote for Cos. I really love that band. Playful, naive, complex and melodic in all the right places - add to that a female vocalist that goes from cute to sinister in a heartbeat whilst still looking you square in the eye. Something of a siren to these ears. Could have gone for a lot of others e Gong's masterpiece but felt a little Belgian this tuesday afternoon. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 04 2018 at 15:17
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Hatfield.....but Egg and Camel are close for me.... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 05 2018 at 02:32
 Totally agree- played last night and again it strikes me just how timeless and almost contemporary it sounds and how instruments, moods, textures and treatments were employed in a way that very, very few (if any) were using at that time but has come to influence a whole range of music in the following decades right up to now (and beyond im sure). An absolute genius!------------- |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 07 2018 at 01:57
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Gong with Wyatt as a good second. ------------- 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 07 2018 at 11:47
Definitely...one of my desert island albums.... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 07 2018 at 13:59
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No votes for Henry Cow made me sad, so I voted for that. Henry Cow, Hatfield, Gong, Wyatt - 5 star albums all. Hell even Camel put out their best. Great poll, tough choice.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 07 2018 at 14:45
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Its sad alright but there's just so much good stuff to choose from -------------
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 07 2018 at 15:01
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Interestingly I recently found a nice (and cheap) copy on original vinyl of Darryl Ways Wolf-Night Music and I have an English issue copy of Rock Bottom on vinyl that I haven't played in a long time....need to pull it out and see what all the fuss is about. I recall it being laid back and not all that exciting. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 13 2018 at 16:44
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Hatfield ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:18
| Seems like Caravan ought to be in there, if we're talking about Canterbury. I'd still go with Camel though. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:25
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f**king Camel.. pfff... great album but as Canterbury as this beer drinking ass kicking cowboy hippy as I am... the Hatfield album.. followed oh so closely by the Wyatt album... one of the great albums to consider blowing your brains out to.. good thing I didn't know that album after the Spawn of Satan ripped my soul and heart out of me... or I might have done it...as it was I tried to kill myself by entering a flaming car wreck and pulling out a guy who lived through it. I got a write up in the local paper but that wasn't the intent.. I didn't intend to live through that attempt. the power of evil redheads... beware guys...
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: September 27 2018 at 03:59
| Vote for tortilla Flat, incredible album, unfortunately still unavailable. My second vote would go to Dr Dopo Jam, but not this one. The previous Entree is a fantastic stuff. |