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Topic: Roxy Music vs Steely Dan
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Roxy Music vs Steely Dan
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 16:35
You guys knew this was coming. As the results in the "who should go up against SD" poll suggested you guys overwhelmingly chose Roxy Music so here it is. Let the fun begin and don't forget the popcorn. LOL

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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 16:46
Roxy Music. They touched some remarkable peaks of art and pathos with their first two albums 
(and with some songs of Stranded [Song for Europe] and other Lps).

Steely Dan songs: High class production, very patinated, good compositions but I dont feel the soul, the pathos.


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 16:47
Steely Dan, I never got into Roxy Music.


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 16:55
Avalon is a stellar production

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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 18:49
Funny thing. I do like the Dan, but they're far from my fave. But so far, they've been the obvious slam dunk choice in every one of these polls so far.


Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 18:52
Much closer, but still Steely Dan...

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 19:22
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Funny thing. I do like the Dan, but they're far from my fave. But so far, they've been the obvious slam dunk choice in every one of these polls so far.

Wait until they go up against Camel. Tongue


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 19:38
Roxy Music, but just by a hair.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 21:26
ugh 

I guess Roxy, but again its a pass all around for me. 


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 21:33
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

ugh 

I guess Roxy, but again its a pass all around for me. 

You know, there is a "neither" option. Wink


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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 02:25
Steely Dan.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 03:34
Love Roxy Music, but have never bothered with Steely Dan, based on the small number of songs I've heard, so I won't vote.

SD seem highly regarded, so can someone recommend a SD album that may engage my enthusiasm?

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 03:41
^ Katy Lied and The Royal Scam are pretty good

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 03:56
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

SD seem highly regarded, so can someone recommend a SD album that may engage my enthusiasm?
Actually apart from a handful o f hits it was their debut album "Can't Buy a Thrill" that clicked with me first. Chronologically should work well. The follow-up Countdown to Ecstasy is brilliant too and infact every 70's album is close to perfection. And this way you'll get to experience their natural growth/transitions.

-As for myself for the first time in these polls I didn't vote for Steely Dan.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 04:00
Thanks for the recommendations :-)

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 07:02
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Love Roxy Music, but have never bothered with Steely Dan, based on the small number of songs I've heard, so I won't vote.

SD seem highly regarded, so can someone recommend a SD album that may engage my enthusiasm?

Ha.... mine is just the opposite..... love Steely Dan

never really listened to Roxy Music

so.... won't vote !

Which RM album should I try first?



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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 07:29
weird but for me they both have one perfect album--Aja---and-- Avalon----the rest is a mixed bag--I'll take Steely Dan by a hair  as they are the local boys where I have a home--the college they went to is still well known for its jazz and classical music classes and bands -and I love jazzy music.


Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 07:48
Roxy.One of my all time favourites.

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 08:00
Originally posted by digdug digdug wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Love Roxy Music, but have never bothered with Steely Dan, based on the small number of songs I've heard, so I won't vote.

SD seem highly regarded, so can someone recommend a SD album that may engage my enthusiasm?

Ha.... mine is just the opposite..... love Steely Dan

never really listened to Roxy Music

so.... won't vote !

Which RM album should I try first?

Again I'd say you can't go wrong by checking them out chronologically, but you may want to skip Manifesto & Flesh + Blood and go straight from Siren to Avalon


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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 08:48
I have to go with Roxy Music on this one, but it is very close.
 
They both have some great albums.  This is a great matchup.


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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 10:25
I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 10:33
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.

Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang. 


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 10:40
Roxy by a mile...never got into SD...


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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 11:33
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.


Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang.†
Is it so incredible to you that there are those who would disagree? I'd count Two Against Nature as my sixth-favourite SD album. I'd also consider both the last two Dan albums a light year ahead of the inexplicably-worshipped lounge-lizard pap that is Avalon. And I say that as a Roxy Music fan of 36 years standing

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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 12:02
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.


Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang. 
Is it so incredible to you that there are those who would disagree? I'd count Two Against Nature as my sixth-favourite SD album. I'd also consider both the last two Dan albums a light year ahead of the inexplicably-worshipped lounge-lizard pap that is Avalon. And I say that as a Roxy Music fan of 36 years standing
 

In my opinion Steely Dan have never reached the peaks of Roxy Music first and second album.


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 12:04
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.


Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang. 
Is it so incredible to you that there are those who would disagree? I'd count Two Against Nature as my sixth-favourite SD album. I'd also consider both the last two Dan albums a light year ahead of the inexplicably-worshipped lounge-lizard pap that is Avalon. And I say that as a Roxy Music fan of 36 years standing
 

In my opinion Steely Dan have never reached the peaks of Roxy Music first and second album.


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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 12:15
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.


Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang. 
Is it so incredible to you that there are those who would disagree? I'd count Two Against Nature as my sixth-favourite SD album. I'd also consider both the last two Dan albums a light year ahead of the inexplicably-worshipped lounge-lizard pap that is Avalon. And I say that as a Roxy Music fan of 36 years standing
 

In my opinion Steely Dan have never reached the peaks of Roxy Music first and second album.

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 13:06
^haha don't we all (too bad Jeff sold The Dude to Stella, though. Guess he needed the money)


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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 13:35
Not a massive RM fan but more a fan of their music than the fusion and jazz in SD. 


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 13:54
Big smile

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 15:27
If there was a racehorse named Roxy it would be taking the lead right about now. ;)

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 15:32
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I would be extremely biased toward Steely Dan in almost any poll.
I do like the Roxies a lot but Steely Dan have never put out a bad album, not even a mediocre one, they are all great.
Aja being the touted masterpiece. Their music bears multiple repeated listenings for minute intricate details and the lyrics are mind-boggling.


Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang. 
Is it so incredible to you that there are those who would disagree? I'd count Two Against Nature as my sixth-favourite SD album. I'd also consider both the last two Dan albums a light year ahead of the inexplicably-worshipped lounge-lizard pap that is Avalon. And I say that as a Roxy Music fan of 36 years standing

Nope, not incredible at all. In fact I expect it. That doesn't make me any less likely to state my opinion though just like you stated yours. ;)


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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 20:33
Fan of both. Too difficult for me to separate them. Just on Avalon, it's pop, not prog, but is it any less a piece of art because it's not prog? Hardly. Just personal taste.


Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 00:17
Early Roxy is awesome, SD are dull. Voted RM

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 00:46
Steely Dan I guess


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 02:15
Roxy for me !


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 12:21
Whew...tough choice for me...two bands that I like quite a lot.
There's a uniqueness to both bands and a very original approach by  each.
It may be a cop out but I'll say equal on this one.


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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 21:03
Gaucho killed the 'Dan for me after a string of highly likable albums. I get something new out of Roxy' every time I listen to them although weak portions of their albums can be challenging to the ear. Hard to choose here.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 07:55
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Whew...tough choice for me...two bands that I like quite a lot.
There's a uniqueness to both bands and a very original approach by  each.
It may be a cop out but I'll say equal on this one.

right on Doc...  from a purely musical evaluation I'd rate them equal in terms of what they brought to the table as both had many great albums and were extremely unique and original. Though again the collection of musical talent and how it was used in Dan sets them above pretty much any group one can compare them to.  

Roxy never really connected with me the way the dark cynicism and corresponding bleak worldview of the Dan did..


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 15:52
Dan by half a noselength.

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Posted By: axeman
Date Posted: February 11 2019 at 09:35
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Really? Have you heard the last two SD albums? I would say they hardly went out with a bang. 
I guess I'd chalk that up to difference of opinions. Two Against Nature, and Everything Must Go are two collections that I have played over and over, and could probably play again tonight. 

But then again, I own every decade-release of Fagen, and have played those over and over. (Sunken Condos being probably the most lackluster.) And 11 Stacks of Whack (which shows what part of Dan sound that Fagen's releases were missing), and Circus Money

I really don't care if the Dan is "prog" or not. If you can listen to Morph the Cat and not understand how the delicious complexity of the horn arrangement makes a difference from radio pop, then I don't care about how someone would categorize anything. Prog to me is "More to listen to and for". TAN and EMG have that for me. Some bands can actually make me enjoy funk (as well as playing Funk on guitar--which is just FUN!). 


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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 11 2019 at 11:41
Steely Dan (despite not liking their last two albums at all)


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 11 2019 at 13:05
^ Same here.....love the Dan but the last 2 albums, while well played and recorded, don't have the same great songs that the earlier ones did.

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: February 13 2019 at 07:29
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Steely Dan, I never got into Roxy Music.
 

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Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 11:33
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