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Topic: It's 1973: Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Subject: It's 1973: Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 14:35
Rewind the clock to 1973.  Ozzy hadn't descended into a drink & drug disaster yet...Page & Plant were still a tight songwriting team before the death of Plant's son...both bands were filling stadiums and riding the peak of their popularity...both bands just released what could be argued as the most proggy album in their history.  Someone asks which of these 2 bands you like better and based only on the albums released so far your answer is?

Black Sabbath
s/t
Paranoid
Masters of Reality
Vol IV
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

Led Zeppelin
s/t
LZ II
LZ III
LZ IV
Houses of the Holy

I would've put this in 'Prog Polls' but since both bands are in PA as 'prog related' I thought this was the best forum...any mods feel free to move if prog polls is a better home Wink


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 14:54
I was a little toddler then, but had I known both, I think I would have been a little more into Sabbath.

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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 14:56
Sabbath every time. I know it's semi-heretical, but I never really dug Zep.

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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 15:00
I prefer Led Zeppelin.
Technically, for example in terms of singing and guitar virtuosity, Led Zeppelin surpass Black Sabbath.

The most beautiful album, in my opinion, is Led Zeppelin I (full of cover, I know, full of blues but....
it was very inspired and well arranged... it was the primal scream). 

Then Led Zeppelin IV.
Then, slightly lower, at a similar level, Led Zeppelin II, Paranoid, Master of Reality...
then, slightly lower, Black Sabbath.



Ps I like Masters of Reality (1988) too! 


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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 15:06
The major difference between them is that LZ were just recycling the blues whereas BS were breaking new ground with a heavy sound that wasn't blues based.   


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 15:23
^ Sabbath not blues-based?   Profoundly incorrect.   Sabbath were steeped in blues, in some ways more than Zep who were so schooled in it that they were able to transcend it.   Sabbath were, in a way, the ultimate heavy blues band.

Everyone in that time were essentially a blues band except the most arty (like Genesis): Tull, Floyd, ELP, Jeff Beck, all owe everything to American Blues.




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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 15:54
Sabbath was blues based, but the heavy sound came out of the Schlager tradition.

Or wait, I think it worked the other way around.



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 17:47
^ You're kidding, right?



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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 18:11
Jethro Tull.  Smile  
And right you are, David, re the blues running through all of the veins, especially at that time.


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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 18:18
Sabbath on this one, especially since my favorite Sabbath album came out in 1973, so I'm biased.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 18:31
Zeppelin, bébé.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 00:05
Black Sabbath


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 01:25
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Sabbath was blues based, but the heavy sound came out of the Schlager tradition.

Or wait, I think it worked the other way around.

This is correct.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 01:33
LOL   That guitar is the most out of tune I've ever heard


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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 01:44
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

LOL   That guitar is the most out of tune I've ever heard

Hey, the Pekingese was diggin' it.

But he got furry ears

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 05:43
Sabbath by light years. Zepp annoy me these days, though I hung onto a couple of their records (III and Presence)


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 05:44
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Sabbath was blues based, but the heavy sound came out of the Schlager tradition.

Or wait, I think it worked the other way around.

This dude is one of Jello Biafra’s favourites


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 08:33
Saperlipopette, that is devilishly done (I indubitably love the demonish hound in the video). That shall be faux exhibit A, and possibly B, C, D etc. for this Sherlock Holmesian case.

^ Interesting, Tom. :) Perhaps, being into Dead Kennedys and the like, Biafra probably would have something to say on this conspiracy.

I found this: https://www.economist.com/europe/2005/11/10/hailing-heino" rel="nofollow - https://www.economist.com/europe/2005/11/10/hailing-heino

Originally posted by The Economist The Economist wrote:

...The answer lies in a genre of German hit songs known as Schlager, which are the antithesis of what hip 68ers and their spiritual successors groove to, with folksy melodies, schmaltz-dripping voices and simple lyrics. Theodor Adorno, a philosopher and musicologist, once dismissed Schlager songs as musical opium for the working class...

Heino's songs have also often been an outlet for feelings that German history has made it hard to express: love of the country, its culture and landscape. His repertoire, listened to on both sides of the Berlin Wall, included modern versions of traditional folk songs, or Volkslieder, even ones that were popular with the Nazis. In Hoyerswerda, which is near the Polish border, they earned him standing ovations from a crowd whose average age was well above Heino's 66. “These songs will still be sung”, he pledged, “when Heavy Metal, Punk and Hip Hop have long been forgotten.”...

Jello Biafra, former lead singer of a punk band, Dead Kennedys, has a collection of Heino records, to show how low you can get musically. And listening to their simple lyrics was always a great way to learn German.


I discovered Heino because the album cover in my avatar (one I used years ago as my avatar) is on so many worst album covers lists, but then I found a certain perverse pleasure in his music, and Schlager generally. I also find it creepy, but then I also found Lawrence Welk and his program creepy. More on that later.

Seems to me from that Heino album cover that he was in a Pat Boone mood -- Pat Boone from his In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy album (that was once my avatar), and there are musical comparisons to be made between the two.





Here's an article on Schlager: https://www.theawl.com/2017/07/is-schlager-music-the-most-embarrassing-thing-germany-has-ever-produced/" rel="nofollow - Is Schlager Music The Most Embarrassing Thing Germany Has Ever Produced?

The answer to that being an obvious no to me. History will find some more embarrassing examples. Watching Schlager videos does remind me of certain propaganda videos from the Nazi era, and as it does draw on themes and German folk music that was popular in Hitler's day. So, to me it seems quite sinister due to the associations I draw from it. Mixing my metaphors, and history, but listening to Schlager can be the aural equivalent to drinking the Kool Ade.

Hyperbolic article, but...

Originally posted by Rebecca Schuman@theawl.com Rebecca [email protected] wrote:

...the most popular genre of homegrown music, in the most important country in the world, is the aural equivalent of nuclear war. It’s an oeuvre that makes Christian rock seem subversive ... Schlager is a form of pop so insipid and saccharine that it is possible the Communists built the Berlin Wall to keep it out.


From Nico Roicke at the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2011/mar/15/schlager-germany-biggest-pop-stars" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2011/mar/15/schlager-germany-biggest-pop-stars

Originally posted by Nico Roicke@theguardian.com Nico [email protected] wrote:

Schlager, a strange genre of music, emerged after the second world war. It was an encapsulation of all things German and a backlash against American rock'n'roll. Ever since its early days, schlager has used simple patterns of music (just like Eurodance, Germany's other mega-genre) while its lyrics are rarely political, often concerning romantic themes. Whole subgenres are dedicated to niche topics such as being on holiday, country living, life on the Autobahn, living with animals and living with animals on the Autobahn.


Schlager may be saccharine schmaltz of the highest order, but it sure does evoke some heavy history for me in the associations that I make.



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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 09:57
Sabbath by a wide margin.  I love a lot of LZ songs, but I love entire Sabbath albums. 

For those who say Sabbath had no blues roots, I hear it all over the debut album (especially the last half of Warning and Sleeping Village) and after all, they were originally called "The Polka Tulk Blues Band" Wink  Anyway, LZ wore their influences clearly on their sleeves (especially the blues they outright stole) where Sabbath was totally unique...taking a mix of blues and hard rock and inventing something no one had heard before - doom metal Evil Smile

As I mentioned in another recent thread, while in high school in the mid 70's all these rock fan kids would be saying, "LZ is so heavy" and I'd just laugh and say, "you want something heavy, go listen to the 1st 5 Black Sabbath albums" LOL


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 10:33
^ The blues roots/ influence is obvious to me. By the way, sorry for the digressions in your topic, but instead of mentioning Schlager, I was originally going to say polka (there is polka schlager), and I now rather regret it. Part of me remembered "The Polka Tulk Blues Band", but rather semi-consciously. Even in absurdity, there often lies some truth.

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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment.


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 11:16
At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence. 


Ozric - those are the exact two titles I kept for years also! LOL


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 11:17
I like a bit of Sabbath but imo Led Zep are streets ahead of them.


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 11:22


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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 15:50
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence. 


Ozric - those are the exact two titles I kept for years also! LOL
.....mainly for their slow blues - Since I’ve Been Loving You (stolen from Moby Grape) and Tea For One. I’ve never heard such masterful, soulful blues done this well (I’ve obviously not heard much then.....) but that’s the Zepp I love.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 15:56
Zep....by a healthy margin...never thought much of Sabbath musically.....they seemed like a one trick pony to me.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 00:49
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence.  

I agree on PG but as much as I enjoy Presence, one of Zeppelin's best it is not. 



Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 01:15
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence.  


I agree on PG but as much as I enjoy Presence, one of Zeppelin's best it is not. 



To each his or her own tastes, but per my tastes, I'm with you on that,Cristi. I love Physical Graffiti and Presence is my least liked Led Zeppelin studio album. Post 1973, I happen to enjoy In Through the Out Door very much, especially for "Carouselambra". For me Presence does not rank amongst Zep's best, and while ITtOD is one of my favourites, I wouldn't rank it amongst the best, or greatest, either.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 01:27
^ ITtOD is what I think of a 'secret favorite' among fans, I love it.   I also adore Presence but it has some stinkers and is not as consistent.   Oddly enough, as a lifelong Zephead, my least favorites are ZoSo and Houses.



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 01:40
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence.  


I agree on PG but as much as I enjoy Presence, one of Zeppelin's best it is not. 



To each his or her own tastes, but per my tastes, I'm with you on that,Cristi. I love Physical Graffiti and Presence is my least liked Led Zeppelin studio album. Post 1973, I happen to enjoy In Through the Out Door very much, especially for "Carouselambra". For me Presence does not rank amongst Zep's best, and while ITtOD is one of my favourites, I wouldn't rank it amongst the best, or greatest, either.

I love Carouselambra, Jones saved that album. I also love the opening song In the Evening and I'm gonna Crawl. 

Post 73 Sabbath had some albums I really enjoy, I find Never Say Die to be rather underrated, undeservingly hated I dare say. Technical Ecstasy is also a good effort, the only song I eventually got bored with is the tearjerker She's Gone, a failed attempt to create something like Changes from Vol. 4. 


Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:09
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Post 73 Sabbath had some albums I really enjoy, I find Never Say Die to be rather underrated, undeservingly hated I dare say. Technical Ecstasy is also a good effort, the only song I eventually got bored with is the tearjerker She's Gone, a failed attempt to create something like Changes from Vol. 4. 
I think Technical Ecstasy is more underrated than Never Say Die, and was quite surprised to find it rated lower on this site. I do prefer Technical Ecstasy over Never Say Die, although I do quite like Never Say Die. I suppose that these two albums compare poorly to the previous six albums mainly because the previous six albums were such great albums.
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:17
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence.  


I agree on PG but as much as I enjoy Presence, one of Zeppelin's best it is not. 



To each his or her own tastes, but per my tastes, I'm with you on that,Cristi. I love Physical Graffiti and Presence is my least liked Led Zeppelin studio album. Post 1973, I happen to enjoy In Through the Out Door very much, especially for "Carouselambra". For me Presence does not rank amongst Zep's best, and while ITtOD is one of my favourites, I wouldn't rank it amongst the best, or greatest, either.


I love Carouselambra, Jones saved that album. I also love the opening song In the Evening and I'm gonna Crawl. 

Post 73 Sabbath had some albums I really enjoy, I find Never Say Die to be rather underrated, undeservingly hated I dare say. Technical Ecstasy is also a good effort, the only song I eventually got bored with is the tearjerker She's Gone, a failed attempt to create something like Changes from Vol. 4. 


Those are great songs too, and yes, Jones is the man on it. It's because of his work that I do love the album. I know the term underrated can be problematic, but I genuinely believe that that album is very underrated by many. I've seen so much derision for it with little justification.

With post '73 Sabbath, I only have had two albums in my collection: Sabotage and Born Again. Born Again is an album that I find better than the consensus, and not just when it comes to the album art.;)

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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:17
Black Sabbath were my favourite group during my youth before falling in love with prog, so naturally they get my vote. Although there are many Led Zeppelin tracks that I love, I've never really been a fan of their music as a whole.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:24
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



Those are great songs too, and yes, Jones is the man on it. It's because of his work that I do love the album. I know the term underrated can be problematic, but I genuinely believe that that album is very underrated by many. I've seen so much derision for it with little justification.

With post '73 Sabbath, I only have had two albums in my collection: Sabotage and Born Again. Born Again is an album that I find better than the consensus, and not just when it comes to the album art.;)

Sabotage is a great album if you ask me. 
As for Born Again, it's an uneven mess, strange production, it broke the band apart for a while in its aftermath. 


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:40
Now here's two bands I love but mainly feel like listening to while consuming alcohol. Most awesome beer&cuesports combo-quartet: Children of the Grave, Electric Funeral, Immigrant Song and No Quarter - hell yeah!

They're about equally great... perhaps Sabbath makes me feel the most alive which is a great quality. But Zeppelin has a knack for writing ballad-like beautiful tunes too like Going to California, The Rain Song that the former band can't match.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:48
^ And the beautiful ballad "Thank You", and music like "Ten Years Gone" which has this combination of rockin' and real beauty.

^^ Sabotage is a classic. I kind of like Born Again for the uneven mess and strange production, but not because it broke the band apart.

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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 02:53
I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 03:02
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue


I think that's a good idea. the combo of Physical Graffiti, In Through the Out Door and The Song Remains the Same soundtrack would almost certainly get my vote (and I still like Presence). I'd want to listen to more BS from the time before participating.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 03:07
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue


I think that's a good idea. the combo of Physical Graffiti, In Through the Out Door and The Song Remains the Same soundtrack would almost certainly get my vote (and I still like Presence). I'd want to listen to more BS from the time before participating.

So it would mean the LZ album from the second half of the 70s plus Coda, versus same from Sabbath plus the two albums with Ronnie James Dio (1980-81) 


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 03:59
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue


I think that's a good idea. the combo of Physical Graffiti, In Through the Out Door and The Song Remains the Same soundtrack would almost certainly get my vote (and I still like Presence). I'd want to listen to more BS from the time before participating.

So it would mean the LZ album from the second half of the 70s plus Coda, versus same from Sabbath plus the two albums with Ronnie James Dio (1980-81) 

Would be a Led Zep no-brainer vote from me. I know many loves those Ronnie James Dio-albums but to me they just sound dumb with weak song material. Plus the riffs aren't as memorable anymore. The classic six first BS-albums have an attractiver kind of diabolical eerie doom and gloom atmosphere but also desperation and paranoia which is all quite intriguing. Along comes the Rainbow guy and suddenly its all meaningless D&D nonsense (which works perfectly fine in Stargazer)

We made the mountains shake with laughter as we played
Hiding in our corner of the world
Then we did the demon dance and rushed to nevermore
Threw away the key and locked the door

WTF?

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ And the beautiful ballad "Thank You", and music like "Ten Years Gone" which has this combination of rockin' and real beauty.

^^ Sabotage is a classic. I kind of like Born Again for the uneven mess and strange production, but not because it broke the band apart.
Yes both those and Sabotage is fantastic - but I've never heard Born Again


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 04:06
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue


I think that's a good idea. the combo of Physical Graffiti, In Through the Out Door and The Song Remains the Same soundtrack would almost certainly get my vote (and I still like Presence). I'd want to listen to more BS from the time before participating.

So it would mean the LZ album from the second half of the 70s plus Coda, versus same from Sabbath plus the two albums with Ronnie James Dio (1980-81) 

Would be a Led Zep no-brainer vote from me. I know many loves those Ronnie James Dio-albums but to me they just sound dumb with weak song material. Plus the riffs aren't as memorable anymore. The classic six first BS-albums have an attractiver kind of diabolical eerie doom and gloom atmosphere but also desperation and paranoia which is all quite intriguing. Along comes the Rainbow guy and suddenly its all meaningless D&D nonsense (which works perfectly fine in Stargazer)

We made the mountains shake with laughter as we played
Hiding in our corner of the world
Then we did the demon dance and rushed to nevermore
Threw away the key and locked the door

WTF?


I've heard bad lyrical content in prog as well, so...

Dio albums are dumb?! That's new. I think they reinvented themselves with Ronnie and those two albums are essential Sabbath as well. 

if it's a no brainer, I won't bother anyone with a new poll. 



Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 04:57
As a teen I already loved Zep (from very early we had at home II, IV, Houses of the Holy, PG and The Song Remains the Same) while I was only exposed to Sabbath quite later on, and only partially. And I found Sabbath much less refined, never was too crazy about them.
So my vote goes to Zep without question.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:09
Whoa !! That’s the first time I’ve ever heard Sabbath, Dio and Dumb in the same sentence


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:11
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Whoa !! That’s the first time I’ve ever heard Sabbath, Dio and Dumb in the same sentence

I know, I'm as surprised as you are. 


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:18
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Whoa !! That’s the first time I’ve ever heard Sabbath, Dio and Dumb in the same sentence


I know, I'm as surprised as you are. 
Heaven and Hell was a total spruce-up of a band during a tough time. Mob rules was better I thought. And Dehumanizer is outstanding for the most part. I miss Ronnie James.
(Damn, I hate typos.....)


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:20
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Whoa !! That’s the first time I’ve ever heard Sabbath, Dio and Dumb in the same sentence


I know, I'm as surprised as you are. 
Heaven and Hell was a total spruce-up of a band during a tough time. Mob rules was better I thought. And Dehumanizer is outstanding for the most part. I miss Ronnie Janes.

not to mention the Heaven & Hell - The Devil you know (2009). 


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 06:01
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

At that point, probably Sabbath. They had released their best stuff already, while Zeppelin had not yet released two of their best albums: PG and Presence.  


I agree on PG but as much as I enjoy Presence, one of Zeppelin's best it is not. 



To each his or her own tastes, but per my tastes, I'm with you on that,Cristi. I love Physical Graffiti and Presence is my least liked Led Zeppelin studio album. Post 1973, I happen to enjoy In Through the Out Door very much, especially for "Carouselambra". For me Presence does not rank amongst Zep's best, and while ITtOD is one of my favourites, I wouldn't rank it amongst the best, or greatest, either.



Taste indeed. It's funny. I find Presence probably their strongest, most consistent, and most cohesive title, the older I get. It was recorded quickly and you can feel the urgency and the unity of the material. It's very hard and heavy and aggressive with little of the overwrought stuff that bores me now. It's direct and yet the songs all feel like brothers, very comfortable together, very stylistically compatible. Aesthetically for me, it is the one Zep album that feels almost conceptual due to the singular hard-charging, head-down veneer of the tracks and the interesting packaging. Little keyboard noodling on this one.  Few stops/starts in the pacing until the end, when we are carried away with their best slow bluesy leads since SIBLY.  Respect all you guys tastes but this album is my baby as far as Zep is concerned.  No Quarter!!!  LOL


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 06:30
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue


I think that's a good idea. the combo of Physical Graffiti, In Through the Out Door and The Song Remains the Same soundtrack would almost certainly get my vote (and I still like Presence). I'd want to listen to more BS from the time before participating.

So it would mean the LZ album from the second half of the 70s plus Coda, versus same from Sabbath plus the two albums with Ronnie James Dio (1980-81) 

Would be a Led Zep no-brainer vote from me. I know many loves those Ronnie James Dio-albums but to me they just sound dumb with weak song material. Plus the riffs aren't as memorable anymore. The classic six first BS-albums have an attractiver kind of diabolical eerie doom and gloom atmosphere but also desperation and paranoia which is all quite intriguing. Along comes the Rainbow guy and suddenly its all meaningless D&D nonsense (which works perfectly fine in Stargazer)

We made the mountains shake with laughter as we played
Hiding in our corner of the world
Then we did the demon dance and rushed to nevermore
Threw away the key and locked the door

WTF?


I've heard bad lyrical content in prog as well, so...

Dio albums are dumb?! That's new. I think they reinvented themselves with Ronnie and those two albums are essential Sabbath as well. 

if it's a no brainer, I won't bother anyone with a new poll.
I don't know Dio's own albums and I meant Back Sabbath with Dio on vocals. Most of what attracts me to those six first albums are completely gone and yes the lyrics got kinda dumb. I mean classic Sabbath is hardly great poetry but very effective and makes for the right mental imagery whilst listening. Yeah I listen to prog with even lamer lyrics I guess - but somehow I often just don't notice. With BS hearing the lyrics and what is sung is kind of hard to avoid for some reason.  

I didn't mean to be so negative that you dropped the whole idea. I was only talking about myself and that its a no-brainer for me. I'm sure many feel differently.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 07:07
Hi,

In my days in Santa Barbaric, it was mostly Led Zep ... by a mile and a half ... they sold out the local concert hall ... while that loud other band, had to have a 2nd and 3rd band on the bill, mostly left overs, to get enough folks on to it.

One more detail, and this kinda came from my girlfriend a few years later ... Led Zep was sexy for the ladies ... BS was not! BS was more for fan boys that like loud music that supposedly meant something!

AND ... it is not likely that you have heard the bootlegs du jour at the time, and there were 5 or 6 of them "major ones" from Led Zep ... and NONE from BS ... the rest were all PF, Dylan and GD bootlegs!

I think that should just about say it all!


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 08:24
Undusting my Sabbath box 'The Osbourne Years'. A good 15 years since the last listen.

but...The Mighty Zep all the way, baby!

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 09:33
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

In my days in Santa Barbaric, it was mostly Led Zep ... by a mile and a half ... they sold out the local concert hall ... while that loud other band, had to have a 2nd and 3rd band on the bill, mostly left overs, to get enough folks on to it.

One more detail, and this kinda came from my girlfriend a few years later ... Led Zep was sexy for the ladies ... BS was not! BS was more for fan boys that like loud music that supposedly meant something!

AND ... it is not likely that you have heard the bootlegs du jour at the time, and there were 5 or 6 of them "major ones" from Led Zep ... and NONE from BS ... the rest were all PF, Dylan and GD bootlegs!

I think that should just about say it all!

Blueberry Hill


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 10:49
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue

Do it and my vote will definitely shift from Sabbath to LZ.  I don't think anything Sabbath did post '73 (Sabotage+ including the Dio albums which I can't stand) come close to Physical Graffiti Wink


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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 12:05
I stopped being interested in Black Sabbath after Never Say Die. This was because my interests shifted away from heavy metal / hard rock and towards progressive rock. Indeed, it was only fairly recently that I first listened to Heaven And Hell. It reminded me strongly of Rainbow. Although I love Rainbow Rising, it just wasn't Black Sabbath IMO.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 13:47
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue

Do it and my vote will definitely shift from Sabbath to LZ.  I don't think anything Sabbath did post '73 (Sabotage+ including the Dio albums which I can't stand) come close to Physical Graffiti Wink

Let's move on, I gave up on this idea. 


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 14:25
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm thinking to make a poll for 1975-1982 Zep vs Sabbath. Tell me if you think it's a good idea and I'll do it. Tongue

Do it and my vote will definitely shift from Sabbath to LZ.  I don't think anything Sabbath did post '73 (Sabotage+ including the Dio albums which I can't stand) come close to Physical Graffiti Wink

Let's move on, I gave up on this idea. 

I haven't LOL


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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 14:33
If you only consider Black Sabbath's Ozzy era, then I just can't vote.  Also since LZ is not currently active and hasn't been for quite a while, then I can only consider the Ozzy era albums (but don't forget 13).   Anyway, I love both bands equally and immensely. 

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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 15:16
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Sabbath every time. I know it's semi-heretical, but I never really dug Zep.

This. 


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Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 07:36


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 07:41
much as the later...   would have gone with a both.. and in lieu of that .. favorite album.. damn..  rate LZ2 and the debut BS the same.. so favorite song from either of that era..

LZ...


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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: May 20 2021 at 18:58
For me, one led to the other.....I had a couple of Zep records as a tot and wanted to hear more like it, which led me to the Sabs, among a slew of others.  Is it bad form to leave the party with other than the one that brought you?

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 20 2021 at 19:09
Zeppelin. I love Sabbath, but they are very one dimensional in comparison. 

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: May 21 2021 at 00:45
I like a lot of bands that people say sound similar to Led Zep, such as Rush and The Tea Party (to name just two), but I have never got on with Led Zep. Sabbath, on the other hand, I love. I should qualify that. I love the first six albums. I don’t like any of what followed anywhere near as much, though there is still plenty to enjoy. But even with that qualification, I still love Sabbath more than Zep by an almost infinitesimal amount.



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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 06 2021 at 14:45
Neither band were ever a favorite of mine, but Zep always had my respect and admiration. 

The best Led Zeppelin album I ever heard was Heart's debut album, Dreamboat Annie; the best Sabbath song, "Smoke on the Water" (the two bands, Sabbath and Deep Purple, were synonymous to me.) Just not my cup of Boone's Farm....

I think the only albums I've ever owned by any of these four bands are Dreamboat Annie and Houses of the Holy. (Despite this last statement, I qualify myself to participate in this poll and discussion because I've probably heard all of them: my brother was a big fan of all of them.)






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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 06 2021 at 20:06
I'm not what I call a fan of either but my fave Sabbath songs beat my fave Zep songs


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 07 2021 at 00:19
Zep released their best album in 1973, so...

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 18 2023 at 08:46
Gentle bump


Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: August 18 2023 at 09:10
I love them both! Smile


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 18 2023 at 10:24

I guess I enjoy them equally much, just in different ways, as they're different.








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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 18 2023 at 10:55
Surprised I hadn't voted in this before, love Zep but Sabbath are winning this, that run of albums from debut to Sabotage is sublime.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 18 2023 at 11:13
I was only 3 in 73 so I had no idea at the time. These days I probably gravitate more towards Black Sabbath so they get my vote. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 18 2023 at 11:22
I wish there was a Both Equally option, but I have a Whole Lotta Love for Led Zeppelin, so Led Zeppelin it is. Smile

Pre-2010 though, I definitely would've voted for Black Sabbath, mainly because I had no Led Zeppelin albums back then, but now have nearly all of them, apart from the last two albums, which went in one door and out through the other. Coda. Wink


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 19 2023 at 01:24
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I like a bit of Sabbath but imo Led Zep are streets ahead of them.

it's the other way around for me. LOL



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