'75 to '82: Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin
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Topic: '75 to '82: Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Subject: '75 to '82: Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 14:25
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In the related poll, Black Sabbath has a narrow lead over Led Zeppelin considering their albums up to 1973. Both bands took a year off and came back with new albums and in many ways new directions beginning in 1975. As with most bands that transitioned from the '70's to the '80's, many changes were coming, some good, some not so good and one band wouldn't survive. Based only on their albums from '75 to '82, which band do you prefer? Black Sabbath Sabotage '75 Technical Ecstasy '76 Never Say Die! '78 Heaven and Hell '80 Mob Rules '81 Live Evil '82 Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti '75 The Song Remains the Same '76 Presence '76 In Through the Out Door '79 Coda '82 ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 14:44
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I have to flip from Sab to Zep for this period. As mentioned, PG and Presence were two of their best imo. Coda, while not a "real" album, is filled with songs that still never fail to get me hot and bothered. I love Coda. And, finally, as live works go, Song Remains blows the doors off of Live Evil. Sabotage is great and the two Dio albums are fun, but not enough to topple PG/Presence/Coda. So I pick Sab on the early titles and Zeppelin on the mid/late era. ------------- |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 15:25
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As much as I love Sabotage, after that meh. Zep's Presence is my favorite album by them. I still remember the first time I heard Achilles's Last Stand in a jeep on a dirt road in the middle of the Blue Ridge Mountains getting ready to go "tubing" down a river. It has blown me away ever since. The rest of the album just fits so well together IMHO, no songs are weak. Nobody's Fault but Mine also another standout to me. PG goes without saying... So Zep for this period. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 15:29
The rare Coda fan. Wonderful farewell, 'Poor Tom', 'Darlene', and of course the staggeringly good 'Bonzo's Montreux'. Plus the drunken live versions of We're Gonna Groove and ICQYB gave listeners a taste of the band live & raw that they didn't get from SRtS . Those critics who thought the album was cobbled together for contractual reasons show their ignorance, as by then Zep had their own label (SwanSong). ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Finnforest wrote:Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 15:37
Also a fan of Coda!  -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 15:38
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^ It is a gem. I pity the fools who don't see that. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 15:59
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Still Sabbath for me. I did go through the whole Zepp phase for years but they never really stuck with me over the years. Sabbath on the other hand...... |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 16:01
David...another Coda fan! Cool. That brings our number up to 37 then, worldwide.  Ozone Baby and Wearing Tearing are amongst my favorite Zep air guitar songs.On a personal note, I was at the peak of my Zeppelin fan fury at that Coda moment. Naturally, being too young to have witnessed Zep in their moment, I knew that I had missed the party. Thus, Coda was a very special acquisition to me. It was as close as I ever got to the excitement of "new" Zep material, and I knew there would not be anything else for me. Loved it then and still do. ------------- |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 16:08
Wow, Jim. A fellow Presence devotee. I raise my beer to you, my friend. I gave my mini review in the other Sab/Zep thread, but to be brief, I agree. Consistent and cohesive. All the songs kick ass and they all feel like they "go together."  ------------- |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 16:16
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^ Presence only gets better with age. My god what a tight (but loose) band. Live versions of Achilles' were extraordinary. "Nobody's Fault but Mine" also a personal fave. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 17:00
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Like many others, I have to flip from Sabbath to LZ from '75 on. There's barely any Sabbath songs from the remaining Ozzy years that I love (Symptom of the Universe being the exception and my favorite Tony evil riff) and other than Neon Knights, Sabbath + Dio doesn't work for me at all. On the other side you have my fave LZ album Physical Graffiti + Song Remains the Same (which is mostly amazing if you leave off Moby Dick and trim No Quarter way back) + Presence (which I think is a very uneven album, but is carried by Achilles Last Stand, Nobody's Fault But Mine & Royal Orleans). In fact, I was at the Oakland July '77 Sunday show super-disaster and Achilles was the high point of an otherwise very low energy way to play their final US show ever  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 17:22
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^ Trim No Quarter way back? Surely you jest. It is brilliant. Further, the NQ versions of later years, especially in '75 & '77, have JPJ doing spectacular lengthy piano solos on his Grand. Sorry but if you think the SRtS version needs trimming you aren't a true Zep lover. And drop Moby Dick ??. No, no, no. You're not getting it. Please. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 17:26
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This one is definitely easier. Led Zeppelin for sure, though Sabotage by Black Sabbath was worthy of their best. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 18:34
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I prefer Sabbath, but this period belongs to Zeppelin. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 18:55
Not a true Zep lover? Well, I sat through the train wreck that was the Oakland 7/24/77 show so that should count for something...but no need to worry, I have very little control over these things so I'm sure SRtS will remain exactly how it always has been...the songs will remain the same
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 20:32
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Well, yeah, Oak '77 had some issues, but on the other hand it was a great tour considering Page & Bonham had become junkies and JPJ was handling much of the stage direction. But seriously, to say the extended NQ should be cut down is just, well, kinda sad. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 00:35
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Black Sabbath |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 01:56
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Sabotage may be my favorite album here but apart from a couple of songs on Never Say Die! I don't need to hear any of the remaining BS material ever again. Even at its "worst" Led Zeppelin isn't that bad... and their classic era lasted a year longer and we got an additional solid album in Presence when Sabbath gave us Technical Exctasy. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 03:10
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Technical Ecstasy gave us : You Won’t Change Me, Gypsy, All Moving Parts.....and to an extent, Dirty Women. All great tracks. Never Say Die gave us : Johnny Blade, Juniors Eyes, Shock Wave and Air Dance. All great tracks. Heaven and Hell gave us : Neon Knights, Heaven and Hell, Die Young and Lonely Is The Word. All great tracks. Presence gave us : Achilles Last Stand and Tea For One. The only great tracks. Meh for the other Zepp albums...... Just my opinion, which stinks by all means, but I’m sticking to that analysis. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 07:30
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I'd have done the both vote here.... RJD was no Ozzy but that was not a bad thing... then again by that time Ozzy was no Ozzy of earlier vintage.. and Ozzy was no RJD... and those later Sabbath albums kicked Hillaryesque levels of ass. Not a huge fan of LZ but there was some great stuff there across those albums.. especially a huge fan of Carouselambra off of In Through the Out Door. Perhaps JPJ finest moment with the band... put a gun against my head.. would have to vote based upon single favorite album of the period.. thus giving it to Sabbath ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 12:00
You like it and I don't, what's sad about that? I think the extended NQ is tedious...it sure was in Oakland '77 ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 15:41
| Presence is ok, but Sabotage and Heaven And Hell?? Once again, Black Sabbath. Easily. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 16:17
Because it is a great track and because it was a high point in their shows. There's no two ways about it, Quarter was a staple of their live act, open, thrilling, and showcased what they did best: really getting into the music on a level no one was doing back then, the jazz-like approach to improv, spontinaety, just... just awesome, dude. I don't mean to insult you but it's like saying "Meh, Dazed & Confused is too long and indulgent" or "Bah, the live Whole Lotta Love is sloppy and stupid". It just misses the whole point. Might as well go see the Who and just leave it at that. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 18:04
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I feel like I shouldn't really be voting as I have heard all of those Zeppelin releases and of Sabbath, I only know the Sabotage album from the period well. That said, I am voting for Led Zeppelin. Physical Graffiti, is I think amazing, I have a lot of love for In Through the Out Door, The Song Remains the Same is an excellent live album, and I like Presence (if not as much as the others). As for Coda, I haven't heard that enough or in too many years to have much an opinion (the only one of those that was never in my personal collection). ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 11 2019 at 11:06
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Zep always over Sabbath in my book. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 19 2023 at 07:56
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The bump remains the same Never say bump
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 19 2023 at 08:09
I have a Whole Lotta Love for Led Zeppelin in What is and What Should Never Be a win for Black Sabbath.  Just because you're Paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: December 19 2023 at 08:16
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I love both, but voted for Led Zeppelin.
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