three subgenres?
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Topic: three subgenres?
Posted By: fat poster
Subject: three subgenres?
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 15:00
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Suppose you had to classify all progarchives artists into just three subgenres of your choosing. What three would you choose? (I’m assuming that each of the three would be further subdivided. I’m also hoping that one of the three wouldn’t be “other” or “miscellaneous”—but maybe that’s not possible.) /pq |
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 16:12
... not sure yet if you're intending to offer some help for fulfilling such a relaunch ...  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: fat poster
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 16:15
Actually this is my first post here... is a relaunch of PA being considered? Meanwhile, I really don’t know how I would answer the question, though I’m thinking about it and have one idea. /pq |
Rivertree wrote:Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 16:23
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If there are only three sub-genres, I think they would have to be Symphonic Prog, Jazz Rock/Fusion, and Progressive Metal. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 16:57
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Rock Progressivo Italiano, Canterbury Scene, Zeuhl ------------- Bez pierdolenia sygnał zerwie, to w realia wychodź w hełmie! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 17:03
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SymphCantFus ElectroAvantPsyche PostMetalKraut ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 17:06
| Fantastic, Good and I don't care about it. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 17:31
Great Prog / Bad Prog and Prog-Metal 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 17:35
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Three is pretty much impossible. I think the minimal you can do is 7: Symphonic (including RPI, Neo, and eclectic/heavy) Psych/Space (including Kraut & electronic) Jazz/Fusion (including Canterbury) RIO/Avant (including zeuhl) Prog Metal (including all three prog metal subs PA has now) Prog-Folk (including Indo/Raga) Post Rock (including...well just Post Rock, although I guess some of the post-metal could probably go here too) I also wouldn't be opposed to another category that just represents 'modern' (of whatever time it comes from) prog (basically the eclectic sub we have here), but I'm comfortable lumping all of those (like KC, VDGG, etc) into the symphonic umbrella (but I can understand the desire to not have it that way).
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 22:05
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Space Rock/Psychedelic Symphonic/Classical Prog Jazz-Rock Fusion Eliminate Prog-Folk since, though I like them, there seems to be no basis for calling bands like Lindisfarne Prog anything. They're just Folk. It still won't work, though. A lot of RIO could be put in Symphonic/Classical or Jazz-Rock, but some of it like what Fred Frith and Henry Kaiser have done with gruesome guitar torture just wouldn't fit. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 15 2019 at 22:12
Welcome to the Forum. Happy to have you. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 06:35
Thanks for posting and welcome and here are some thoughts: FIRST, and FOREMOST, the "definitions" need to come in line with MUSIC ... not change the word so that it means something else and another band does not fit because the reasoning is bizarre and has nothing to do with music ... has to do with someone's ideas. I'm not sure that "psych/space" is that much different than "ambient" or "new age" (the worst term ever invented ... all for commercialism!). The "Prog-Folk" and "Prog-Rock" and "Prog-Metal" are terms that also do not fit any musical variations or descriptions, since one group is almost the same as the next (still a song format!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and the main difference is AMPLIFICATION, which almost all of us here, REFUSE to address. As an example, folks here still can not accept what a great composer Keith Emerson was, in the hands of Rachel Flowers ... and that alone defies the definitions for a lot of "progressive" anything ... something I have been suggesting for years ... you have to UNPLUG IT, and play it ... since too many of these bands are just over rated noise, for the sake of getting the attention they want ... again, this is commercialism, not a definition that belongs in "MUSIC". The harder part is that the moment we find a nice fit for the main definitions, a new group will show up that makes the definitions seem a bit off key ... however, my contention is that this has been the history of all music for over 500/600 years, and that in this, there is nothing new under the sun or the moon, and we have to simply wake up to it! In other words we are simply trying to use different words for the same thing! All in all, though, I am not sure that the "definitions" are the problem ... the folks doing the "selecting" are, many of whom are simply voting for their favorites, and I have a tendency to think that they lack musical abilities and studies, to even be considering being a part of that selecting group. In a place like that, the "favoritism" and "preferences" need to be set aside in order to help come up with a more OBJECTIVE view of the whole thing. Lastly ... we have to stop looking at these things as another top ten this or that ... we need to look at artists as ARTISTS, not hit makers, which is all that the top ten at PA is ... and having the same band 6 times, and another band 7 times, distorts the quality and ability of the "progressive" work ... not to mention that many bands CHANGE over their life, and in their next album they are not exactly this anymore, but are that ... and it's like saying that Beethoven and Tchaikovsky are not composers because they had bagatelles in their listings, and other things that were not "symphonies" (for once that definition is right for hundreds of years ... unlike our "progressive") ... and they are still a "composer" ... and we continually think that rock/jazz folks are not artists ... just idiots that play an instrument ... ohhh, look, that one sold a million! Until we change that attitude, the ability to do something better and fit the definitions to music ... because right now, many of those definitions are just childish and have less to do with music than they do with any trash you take out in the morning, or last night!
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 06:38
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1. Pure prog 2. Prog related 3. Here just because we like it -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 19:51
| I am not sure of the reason for reducing to only three categories...(?) While I am a bit skeptical of the boundaries of the categories we often use, I also can see why they might be useful.... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 21:19
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I wouldn't worry over much about the utility of such an approach, think of it as an exercise in creative thought. I think there may be some misinterpretation of the intent of the initial post and some thinking that the OP would wish to limit this site's categories to three categories instead of it being a more general question/ exercise in thought. And there is no planned relaunch of this site, although some would wish there was. It's hard to answer. Welcome to the forum, fat poster. I'll say Conventional Prog, Alternative Prog and Experimental Prog. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 01:31
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Prog Cross-Over Weird stuff  |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 01:54
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just three subgenres? I don't know about that. I love the diversity in prog, there's plenty to choose from for everyone.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 02:40
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Prog Sub Genre 1 Prog Sub Genre 2 Prog Sub Genre 3  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 03:54
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1. Prog Rock 2. Fusion, electronica, avantgarde, modern classsical and all the other stuff that isn't Prog Rock but can loosely be considered progressive music if we freeze time in 1974. 3. All the bands from all other genres that prog music fans keep appropriating when those bands are clearly not prog and have no desire to be called prog.
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Posted By: Oganesson
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 04:00
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1. Symphonic prog, neo-prog, heavy prog, prog metal (the conventional, melody-based stuff) 2. Jazz fusion, jazz rock, Canterbury scene (the jazzier stuff) 3. RIO, Avant-prog, post-rock, math rock (the more experimental stuff) ------------- "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." - Dan Quayle Reach out as forward tastes begin to enter you... |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 04:43
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Slug Rock, Frog Rock and Toad rock -------------  
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 05:57
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A-F, G-R, S-Z. More seriously, maybe Psychedeloid (psychedelic, space, kraut, much of jazz-fusion, post rock etc.) Symphonoid/melodoid (including some heavy, cross-over, folk, eclectic) Weirdoid (most RIO, electronic, more experimental sides of eclectic, math, post metal and maybe even some folk/raga)
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 07:17
Symphonic is probably the worst definition of all, since a lot of music that we listen to is ... IS ... symphonic in nature, otherwise it would not be long ... for example. But the issue here is that many bands are considered "symphonic" and they do 3 minute cuts, which, by nature are not "symphonic", since by its very nature, it is a longer piece of music, that might have/encompass a few more "movements" than simply a sonata styled song for its work. And this creates another issue ... let's take RETURN TO FOREVER as an example. By nature, they are VERY "symphonic", but their most likely location for their work is under FUSION ... which really is not what they are about ... they are less "jazz" than they are experimenting and expanding a segment of music they created, with some experimentation inside of it, or room for the players to have some fun on their own! In this sense, they are more of a symphonic group ( specially considering the classical training of a few of their members!!!!!), but they will never get that definition since they do not sound like GENESIS ... and this is a very gross over sight by many folks, that are looking at "Renaissance" or "Mister Mouse" and other pieces as a SONG, and in reality, they are NOT a song! My take, still is, that until we work the musical terms correctly and properly, the definitions that have been created for "progressive music", are a joke, by folks that really do not know music ... it's really simple ... all of the terms have been around for a long time, and now we want to change them to something they are not. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 08:36
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Three categories: 1. Good Prog 2. Okay Prog 3. Bad Prog
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 10:47
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Excellent Zeuhl Amazing Zeuhl Outstanding Zeuhl ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 11:07
Alternately: Di "Hundin Luszt Zeuhl" uz "Di Wurdah Zeuhl" uz "Di Hamtaahk Zeuhl". Okay, not grammatically correct Kobaian, and I do love Zeuhl, but it it has its haters who might cry "Wurdah Zeuhl" if they knew basic Kobaian... ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 11:19
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 11:26
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1. Big Five 2. Quite Big Five 3. Everything else
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 11:27
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Psych Symph Frank Zappa ------------- |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 19 2019 at 12:38
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1. Progressive music 2. Static music 3. Regressive music
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Posted By: David64T
Date Posted: February 20 2019 at 05:01
1. NZ Prog 2. Aussie Prog (this enormous cohort will obviously need some subdividing, starting with the usual split between Mike Rudd bands vs everyone else, and continuing on from there) 3. Exotic Prog From Other Mysterious and Far-off Cultures... Simple!  ------------- Seasons Of Change - weekly programme on community radio: https://seasonsofchangeradio.blogspot.com.au/" rel="nofollow - http://seasonsofchangeradio.blogspot.com.au/ |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 20 2019 at 08:56
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Electronic Not Entirely Electronic Not Entirely Electronic and All Over the Map ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 20 2019 at 11:42
Love it! ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 20 2019 at 12:20
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Prog Lite, Prog Regular, and Prog Super Sized ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 20 2019 at 16:33
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Three? Really??? Reminds me of the destruction of words in Orwell's 1984. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: February 21 2019 at 07:40
THIS!!! ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 01:57
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Groucho Prog is all wordplay and wearing a mask. Chico prog is all keyboards and is European, Harpo Prog chases women and has all kinds of odd things in its pockets ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 07 2019 at 06:30
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1. Symphonic Prog. 2. Progessive Metal. 3. Bang that saucepan on your head! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 07 2019 at 06:46
1. Double-plus-good 2. Good 3. Double-plus-ungood I'd like to have just: 4. Ungood ...as well, but I'll manage without ------------- 
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 01:22
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Prog rock is a sub genre (of rock). I might make a slight distinction for the jazz and fusion oriented stylings. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 02:42
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1. Horrible Nasty Prog 2. Middle of the Road Prog 3. Pipe and Slippers Prog ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 06:04
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Bad / good / indifferent. ------------- |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 15:17
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1. Rock music that is literally progressive 2. The genre conventionally called "progressive rock" 3. The genre called "prog rock" by alt.rock aficionados ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 15:53
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this is completely personal and not applicable to everyone: avant-garde (this would for example include zeuhl, eclectic, Krautrock, space rock and electronic) normal but interesting normal but boring -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 16:45
traditional prog progressive rock experimental music ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 18:27
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Two categories: 1) Prog 2) The crap you think is prog. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 01:05
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I reckon it boils down to these categories if you do your cancelling out properly... If you like it, IT IS PROG. If you don't like it, IT IS NOT PROG... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 21:00
Welcome to PA! I agree with Symphonic, Jazz-Rock Fusion and Whatever-it-is! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 01:10
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Abstract Prog Generic Prog Unspecified Prog ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 10:49
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Earlier I wrote "Conventional Prog, Alternative Prog and Experimental Prog", although I could have put it in two categories, conventional and unconventional Prog, but when I woke up I was thinking about this topic for some reason (might have had a really boring dream), and will offer an alternative answer: Progressive Prog Regressive Prog Static Prog It works better on the individual album level, but then classification would often work better that way. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 11:14
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Classic Prog Pre - and Post Classic Prog Non Classic Prog |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 11:19
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High-energy Low-energy Quirky
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