Fave Track-Genesis-Nursery Cryme (1971)
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Topic: Fave Track-Genesis-Nursery Cryme (1971)
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Subject: Fave Track-Genesis-Nursery Cryme (1971)
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 18:14
 ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 19:58
| Impossible to choose, so many great songs in this album. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 21:40
| The Musical Box. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 18 2019 at 22:41
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Musical Box over Hogweed ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 01:09
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The Musical Box > The Return of the Giant Hogweed > The Fountain of Salmacis ------------- 
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 01:52
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Hog. Still don’t know what’s so good about Musical box ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 02:05
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As nouns: 1.Hogweed 2.Box 3.Fountain |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 02:14
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For me, it's: 1. Fountain 2. Hogweed 3. Box Very solid recording, where Genesis truly "picks up" IMHO.
------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 02:47
| Fountain - could well be my favourite Genesis track of all time !! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 03:25
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Musical Box ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 05:22
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Tough call, as all these are favorites. Going with Fountain for this poll. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 11:23
| Fountains, but full disclosure , I don't think I ever listened to this one all the way through. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 11:27
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The Fountain ------------- |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 11:34
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The Musical Box ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: axeman
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 15:41
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I dig the jazzy groove of Fountain of Salmacis, and also Hackett's adaptation of standard blues bending. ------------- -John |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 16:13
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Hogweed. Musical Box doesn't excite me. ------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 19:44
Same. Box is just average. I'd rather a 2 minute song with a great melody
 ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
jamesbaldwin wrote:Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 19:55
One song in this poll is saying "why don't you vote for me, vote for me, vote for me. Vote for me now, now, now, now now....!" 
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 20:20
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The epics that bookends this album are probably both in my Genesis top three. I guess Fountain of Salmacis but it used to be Musical Box (an early favorite and introduction to prog). ------------- 
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 19 2019 at 21:01
| I'm surprised "return of the giant hogweed" didn't get more votes. Maybe people on here prefer the Genesis live version. Not sure. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 02:37
Box never "clicked" with me like I thought it would/should. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 02:55
| The Musical Box is a fantastic tale. How can some folks not like this one ?? |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 04:12
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 04:26
I actually enjoy said track quite a bit, but for some reason my brain doesn't associate it with being a classic track (personal bias lol). Nursery Cryme, for me, is such a weird Genesis record. It's the transition zone between their earlier debut works, and their (arguable) peak era from '72-'75 with Gabriel. Nursery Cryme sounds like Genesis gearing up for the epicness they'd become - and that's by no means a bad thing! Don't forget - this is the opinion of the same guy who praises Battle of Epping Forest
 ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 04:44
| Thinking about it, and I love all the 70’s Genesis albums dearly, I think I could happily live with Trespass and Nursery Cryme and pass up on the others. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 06:17
| The Return of the Giant Hogweed > The Musical Box > The Fountain of Salmacis |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 08:04
| I love every song here but Harold The Barrel is my favorite!!! And I'm the first one voting for this little masterpiece? |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 21:39
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I saw you praising Battle of Epping Forest in the other thread, and I just hate it for the very same reasons I hate Harold the Barrel (though at least this one isn't so long, nor do I like the rest of the album as much as Selling England). Oh well, there's just so much diversity in tastes for music (and just about everything else)
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 21:42
I do love the song, but I don't really care much for the story. Somehow I don't really like the stories Gabriel writes, or at least not the way he tells those stories. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 21:52
Until the fourth minute it's very monotonous. A difficult incipit. Then the instrumental parts shake it a little but fails, except in small strokes, to be enthralling by combining the vocals with the instrumental parts. Overall, I feel forced. On the contrary, in Trespass, all the instrumental parts seem to me very natural, with a clear melody or an enthralling rhythm.
------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 01:45
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 02:23
 *Falls asleep listening to Musical Box* WHAT did you say something?! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 02:40
| I don’t think Genesis had a misstep until W&W. But this is my opinion. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 05:45
| the musical box |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 06:32
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I won't vote because this is not MY "Nursery Cryme". My "Nursery Cryme" has two more tracks and is twelve minutes longer. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 07:12
| ^ Twilight Alehouse ?? |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 13:26
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'Fountain'! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 13:48
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Fountain or Box....flip a coin. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 14:07
“While Henry Hamilton-Smythe minor was playing croquet with Cynthia Jane De Blaise-William, sweet-smiling Cynthia raised her mallet high and gracefully removed Henry’s head. Two weeks later, in Henry’s nursery, she discovered his treasured musical box. Eagerly she opened it and as "Old King Cole” began to play, a small spirit- figure appeared. Henry had returned - but not for long, for as he stood in the room his body began ageing rapidly, leaving a child’s mind inside. A lifetime’s desires surged through him. Unfortunately the attempt to persuade Cynthia Jane to fulfill his romantic desire led his nurse to the nursery to investigate the noise. Instinctively Nanny hurled the musical box at the bearded child, destroying both…" -------------
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 21 2019 at 15:16
"Twilight Alehouse" and "Happy the Man". ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 22 2019 at 06:04
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Harold the barrel and Harlequin are the weakest tracks ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: March 22 2019 at 06:11
| Hogweed, though the Genesis Live version adds more of a bang to the climax. |
Posted By: SquonkHunter
Date Posted: March 22 2019 at 06:13
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The Fountain of Salmacis. Love those Mellotron swells. Seven Stones is a good second.
------------- "You never had the things you thought you should have had and you'll not get them now..." |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 22 2019 at 06:28
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 22 2019 at 22:34
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The Fountain of Salmacis just over Musical Box. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 22 2019 at 22:35
I love them. They should have been hits. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 00:06
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I think Musical Box was the only one I actually liked. ------------- "There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 04:02
There is in my opinion no weak track on "Nursery Cryme"; I love all nine tracks (I am of course talking of the extended "Nursery Cryme" which includes the tracks "Happy the Man" and Twilight Alehouse"). The short tracks on the album are either funny ("Harold the Barrel"), melancholic ("For Absent Friends"), dreamy ("Harlequin") or encouraging ("Happy the Man"). ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 12:28
| As much as I'm a big fan of Harold the Barrel, and that style of story song that Genesis was great at, it's impossible to not vote for The Musical Box. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 13:21
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 17:17
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 17:42
I'm right on the same page with the both of you. Nursery Cryme and Trespass are both so great from beginning to end. And Nursery Cryme in particular is the most canonical in defining Old Genesis in my mind. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 18:10
I like Absent Friends. I find the others you mentioned a bit amateurish in composition and sound. Including Musical box. Just Ok tracks imo. I find most other prog related stuff from this era more interesting.
------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 18:11
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Trespass is consistently better. Better compositions and better recording. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 18:52
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I may get slammed for saying this, but...... I think that Genesis lost something by the time they did Foxtrot. I can’t find the right word (innocence, perhaps ?). That pastoral ‘tweeness’ that permeates NC and Trespass. I don’t know, they still did tremendous albums but never quite like these 2 albums. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 20:18
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^ I agree. And I think the same for Gentle Giant after the first two albums (and maybe even Yes after Yes album and Fragile). ------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 20:18
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 20:43
| ^ I must’ve read that and reinterpreted it in my mind.......... |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 23:18
Well, the Lamb is my favorite, but I am of similar mind. Foxtrot lost something. Oh, it's still great. Don't get me wrong. Nevertheless, something of the aural fullness was gone. I think they thought they packed some of their material with too much sound, particularly with Return of the Giant Hogweed, and hadn't figured out how to best distribute it in stereo space or bandwidth. Foxtrot seems to me like a reaction to that, like they modified some of their urges to stuff arrangements. Maybe no better example of that is Watcher of the Skies. They wanted the big mellotron sound at the opening, but it was a solo affair. Only once the big brass and string combination from the mellotron subsided did the band chime in. Foxtrot had a lot more turn-taking where everyone had a chance to get their bit in more or less unhindered. It definitely marked a course change. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 23 2019 at 23:43
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Trespass and Foxtrot are the enjoyable albums from the Gabriel era. Never been a big fan of Gabriel’s voice or lyrics though. Just a very rough voice which dropped off a lot on the lamb and were hard to listen to. I much prefer 76-78 Genesis over 73-74 ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: March 24 2019 at 00:59
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 24 2019 at 02:58
*BODY SLAMS BOTH YOU GUYS THROUGH A TABLE* Just playing of course! I'm always blown away by how polar opposite people's tastes are here on PA (this is a very good thing)! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 24 2019 at 09:32
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Some really great tracks on this one, but Harlequin is wonderful and at this point without a vote, and I gotta change this. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 10 2019 at 16:56
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------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 11 2019 at 05:42
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I find myself enjoying Hogweed quite a bit, TBH. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 11 2019 at 07:03
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Hogweed and that that instrumental break in Fountain of Salmacis ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 14 2019 at 22:41
The Musical Box ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |