Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson
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Topic: Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson
Posted By: TCat
Subject: Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 14:54
Select your favorite Keyboardist among two legends: Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson Maybe you like both equally or possibly neither. I have to go with Wakeman myself. I feel he is more versatile.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 15:03
I’ve been listening to both a lot lately, almost impossible to choose between the two, maybe Emerson for his Hammond abuse
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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 15:42
Wakeman because of his Yes music contribution.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 16:30
Libor10 wrote:
Wakeman because of his Yes music contribution.
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This---very concise great playing and solo's---Keith is great but a bit of a w**ker---but Tony Banks is my favorite. 
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 16:32
Keith Emerson. Another one of those individuals you wonder, skill wise, if he's from another planet.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 17:13
I prefer Hugh Banton!
Or John Peter Robinson (Quatermass)....
Or even Tony Pagliuca!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 17:21
Both. Keith for his simultaneously jazzy, bluesy piano style.
Rick for his lickety-split Minimoog leads. Laid down some slick lines on Clavinet, too.
Rick's also a Mellotron user. Keith wouldn't go near the thing.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 17:50
Emerson
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 17:51
Both rule but I'll go with Wakeman.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 18:20
I like Yes more than ELP and Wakeman is surely good and makes his contributions, but somehow, probably rather irrationally, I never liked the guy and it's not him that makes Yes great to me. Emerson on the other hand... well he has his name on many things that I don't like, but he brought a spark into everything he did, bright enough for me to recognise.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 19:02
Both. Quite different in their style, but both amazing at what they did.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 19:11
Very close for me but went with Rick. I didn't do the both equally thing because I'm a bigger Yes fan than ELP fan. Also, even though many Rick's solo albums are crappy he did put out a lot more of them than Keith so he gets at least one point for that.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 19:29
Wakeman and Emerson are legends, and rightly so, but Juergen Fritz is my preference. Along with Kristian Schultze and Jasper van't Hof, who don't get talked about in PA, unfortunately....
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 31 2019 at 22:29
Wakeman easily, one of my favourite artists. I do like Yes more than ELP, and Wakeman more than Emerson... I even like Wakeman's solo career better than ELP.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 01:51
I prefer Dave Stewart over both 😎
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 02:56
Love 'em both but I voted for Keith principally for this reason:
Wakeman is a keyboard player who composes
Emerson was a composer who played keyboards
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 05:59
Wakeman is an amazing musician who's musical contributions are incalculable, but I still gotta' go with madman Emerson.
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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 05:59
I'm a huge Yes fan, and I love "Six Wives", whereas ELP is kind of "meh" for me, so it's Wakeman all the way.
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Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 06:42

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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 07:28
I'm much more of a Yes fan than an ELP fan but after seeing both live I would have to give the edge to Emerson.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 07:38
Hi,
At this point, I would say that KE is probably the more important of the two ... RW was in YES, and even he admits that too much of the music was filler and not that big a deal and that even things like TFTO were boring and whatever ... well, you and I know that TARKUS on the hands of Rachel Flowers, and several other pieces on her piano, are without a doubt some of the finest piano/organ concerts done in all of the 20th century, and since RW is not a great musician to see what has been done with KE's material, and show us that his compositional skills are more important than the 68 instruments he uses for one riff each!
As much as I like RW, and his playing is excellent, and probably more on par with classical musicians, in the end, his lack of respect, even in humor, for a lot of his work in that band, simply makes me think that he was there more for the "filler" than he was for the music, and of course, he left and did not help establish even further and better that group's tradition. KE, at the very least, continued creating new material, and did not waver in his compositional skills ... the main difference being that one was being a serious musician and the other was just being a dressed up clown in the middle of so many keyboards, that made things look impressive ... today what he did can be done with 2 keyboards, probably one! With Keith's material in Rachel's hands, I see a lot more than just some small bit and piece supposedly about something or other ... listen to that piano, and you can't help think ... that is a massive piece of music!
While I like RW's work in YES, I really can not say the same thing about him!
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 07:56
I prefer Wakeman's output.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 12:30
I don't have a clear preference for one over the other so I voted for "Both Equally".
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 12:36
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
At this point, I would say that KE is probably the more important of the two ... RW was in YES, and even he admits that too much of the music was filler and not that big a deal and that even things like TFTO were boring and whatever ... well, you and I know that TARKUS on the hands of Rachel Flowers, and several other pieces on her piano, are without a doubt some of the finest piano/organ concerts done in all of the 20th century, and since RW is not a great musician to see what has been done with KE's material, and show us that his compositional skills are more important than the 68 instruments he uses for one riff each!
As much as I like RW, and his playing is excellent, and probably more on par with classical musicians, in the end, his lack of respect, even in humor, for a lot of his work in that band, simply makes me think that he was there more for the "filler" than he was for the music, and of course, he left and did not help establish even further and better that group's tradition. KE, at the very least, continued creating new material, and did not waver in his compositional skills ... the main difference being that one was being a serious musician and the other was just being a dressed up clown in the middle of so many keyboards, that made things look impressive ... today what he did can be done with 2 keyboards, probably one! With Keith's material in Rachel's hands, I see a lot more than just some small bit and piece supposedly about something or other ... listen to that piano, and you can't help think ... that is a massive piece of music!
While I like RW's work in YES, I really can not say the same thing about him!
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Not sure what you have against Rick. He did return to the band. The new material on Keys To Ascension is some of the band's best, IMO — and better than anything since. They also did royally burn his son, Oliver. Fly From Here sucks, except for the track he's on.
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 12:45
interesting thought I hadn't considered at first.
I voted Emerson, based on his work with ELP.
But when I think about solo work, I prefer Wakeman.
So when I consider both careers in total, it's pretty much a toss up.
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Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 17:25
Very difficult choice, two virtuous musicians but... Wakeman wins !!!
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Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 18:26
Both are excellent. Wakeman has a much larger (yuge) catalog of original recordings, and although not all of it is great, he has recorded a much larger quantity of high-quality music. Emerson seems to have stopped writing and recording on a number of occasions, and his proudest symphony was on Works I.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 21:38
ExittheLemming wrote:
Love 'em both but I voted for Keith principally for this reason:
Wakeman is a keyboard player who composes
Emerson was a composer who played keyboards
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Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music than Emerson? And why did Emerson rely even more on doing covers?
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 01 2019 at 21:42
Fischman wrote:
interesting thought I hadn't considered at first.
I voted Emerson, based on his work with ELP.
But when I think about solo work, I prefer Wakeman.
So when I consider both careers in total, it's pretty much a toss up. |
Actually, I prefer Wakeman's solo output over ELP's.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 01:10
Wakeman ‘BBQ’d’ a Mellotron, Keith trashed his Hammond. Fair game
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 03:24
Dellinger wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Love 'em both but I voted for Keith principally for this reason:
Wakeman is a keyboard player who composes
Emerson was a composer who played keyboards
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Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music than Emerson?
And why did Emerson rely even more on doing covers? |
Six Wives, King Arthur and No Earthly Connection aside, quantity clearly doesn't trump quality. From around '86 Wakeman was churning out 5 or 6 albums a year of fondant new age drivel. Maybe he had more ex wives to satisfy than Keith?  I'm not even convinced Keith has done more covers: (OK they've both done Christmas albums certainly) but Rick also has an entire album of Beatles covers ( Tribute to the Beatles), an entire album of traditional hymns ( Morning Has Broken), an entire album of classical adaptations ( Classical Variations), a entire album of traditional christian music ( Always With You) and an entire album of cover versions ( Piano Portraits) there may be more but I ran out of patience looking for them, you might have better luck:
http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766" rel="nofollow - http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 04:20
I'll give my usual answer: Barbara Dennerlein. Keith Emerson was a big fan of her, by the way http://www.progarchives.com/forum/active_topics.asp" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 06:24
Great musicians. Wakeman is more prolific, but Emerson reached a higher peak...so Emo it is.
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Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 07:49
Emerson impresses me more with technicality and dexterity, but Wakeman's diverse keyboards, especially on Fragile and CTTE are among the most magical I can imagine.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 08:52
Both great. Emerson by a whisker...
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 09:04
This debate goes on since the '70s. My vote goes to Keith. Less albums but more consistent. I love Wakeman but his huge solo newage production is quite boring. Despite masterpieces like The Wives, No Earthly connection, Criminal Records, Journey (and also 1984, Cost Of Living and few others) if you land on the wrong album you risk to give them up. It doesn't happen with Keith, neither with things like Are You Ready Eddie?
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 10:33
BaldJean wrote:
I'll give my usual answer: Barbara Dennerlein. Keith Emerson was a big fan of her, by the way |
I love Barbara.
I wish Keith was still around. 
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 12:07
probrably both.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 13:32
I agree both are amazing and have respect for both. However, I wonder sometimes how much of Emerson's material, especially on studio albums, was a result of layering tracks on top of each other, or speeding up the recording like on his version of "Maple Leaf Rag". Honestly, I think Emerson is the stronger composer but Wakeman was the stronger performer and he was more versatile.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 14:19
I can vividly recall whole albums of Emerson's playing while with ELP. Wakeman? More of a hear and there kind of keyboardist.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 17:24
presdoug wrote:
Jasper van't Hof, | !
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 02 2019 at 23:00
ExittheLemming wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Love 'em both but I voted for Keith principally for this reason:
Wakeman is a keyboard player who composes
Emerson was a composer who played keyboards
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Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music than Emerson?
And why did Emerson rely even more on doing covers? |
Six Wives, King Arthur and No Earthly Connection aside, quantity clearly doesn't trump quality. From around '86 Wakeman was churning out 5 or 6 albums a year of fondant new age drivel. Maybe he had more ex wives to satisfy than Keith?  I'm not even convinced Keith has done more covers: (OK they've both done Christmas albums certainly) but Rick also has an entire album of Beatles covers ( Tribute to the Beatles), an entire album of traditional hymns ( Morning Has Broken), an entire album of classical adaptations ( Classical Variations), a entire album of traditional christian music ( Always With You) and an entire album of cover versions ( Piano Portraits) there may be more but I ran out of patience looking for them, you might have better luck:
http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766" rel="nofollow - http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766
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OK, perhaps there's a lot more covers stuff from Wakeman than I remember, but I was thinking mostly of their more popular an creative periods (mostly the 70's, of course), in which Wakeman did mostly his own original stuff while... well, yes, ELP did mostly original stuff too, but they always included their covers in their albums (which I mostly love, actually). However, for me Six Wives, Arthur, and No Earthly Connection would be more than enough to choose Wakeman over Emerson (in a way, since No Earthly Connection wouldn't be among my personal favourites). I mean, with ELP their golden period consists of 4 or 5 albums, and fans of the band may just love them all. As far as I'm concerned, I like some of the songs, some others leave me cold, and some others I just can't stand, so in the end there's no really great albums for my enjoyment from them. From Wakeman, I find among my favourite albums 6 Wives, Arthur, and Out There, and I like almost as much Journey and Criminal record, plus two masterpiece albums with Yes in Fragile and CttE. And a whole bunch of songs from the rest of their albums (both Wakeman solo and Yes) that I love (more so than the ELP ones). So, in the end, much more music from Wakeman that I love, even if the amount of music in total will earn a good deal of music I wouldn't like (which doesn't really bother me much, for I just don't have to listen to that). And still, quality aside, the statemen had been that Emerson is considered more of a composer and Wakeman more of a player, when it is clear that Wakeman has composed so much more music (and as I said, for me in particular, more music that I like).
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 00:52
Dellinger wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Love 'em both but I voted for Keith principally for this reason:
Wakeman is a keyboard player who composes
Emerson was a composer who played keyboards
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Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music than Emerson?
And why did Emerson rely even more on doing covers? |
Six Wives, King Arthur and No Earthly Connection aside, quantity clearly doesn't trump quality. From around '86 Wakeman was churning out 5 or 6 albums a year of fondant new age drivel. Maybe he had more ex wives to satisfy than Keith?  I'm not even convinced Keith has done more covers: (OK they've both done Christmas albums certainly) but Rick also has an entire album of Beatles covers ( Tribute to the Beatles), an entire album of traditional hymns ( Morning Has Broken), an entire album of classical adaptations ( Classical Variations), a entire album of traditional christian music ( Always With You) and an entire album of cover versions ( Piano Portraits) there may be more but I ran out of patience looking for them, you might have better luck:
http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766" rel="nofollow - http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766
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OK, perhaps there's a lot more covers stuff from Wakeman than I remember, but I was thinking mostly of their more popular an creative periods (mostly the 70's, of course), in which Wakeman did mostly his own original stuff while... well, yes, ELP did mostly original stuff too, but they always included their covers in their albums (which I mostly love, actually). However, for me Six Wives, Arthur, and No Earthly Connection would be more than enough to choose Wakeman over Emerson (in a way, since No Earthly Connection wouldn't be among my personal favourites). I mean, with ELP their golden period consists of 4 or 5 albums, and fans of the band may just love them all. As far as I'm concerned, I like some of the songs, some others leave me cold, and some others I just can't stand, so in the end there's no really great albums for my enjoyment from them. From Wakeman, I find among my favourite albums 6 Wives, Arthur, and Out There, and I like almost as much Journey and Criminal record, plus two masterpiece albums with Yes in Fragile and CttE. And a whole bunch of songs from the rest of their albums (both Wakeman solo and Yes) that I love (more so than the ELP ones). So, in the end, much more music from Wakeman that I love, even if the amount of music in total will earn a good deal of music I wouldn't like (which doesn't really bother me much, for I just don't have to listen to that). And still, quality aside, the statemen had been that Emerson is considered more of a composer and Wakeman more of a player, when it is clear that Wakeman has composed so much more music (and as I said, for me in particular, more music that I like). |
I don't have a problem with any of that but just think how many keystrokes you would have saved us both if you had originally typed:
Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music that I like, than Emerson? 
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Posted By: Braka
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 04:10
Had to call this one a draw. Maybe Wakeman for technique, Emerson for style.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 07:35
Braka wrote:
Had to call this one a draw. Maybe Wakeman for technique, Emerson for style.
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I don't know ... if you listen to Keith's compositions from ELP on the piano played by Rachel Flowers, it is really difficult to say that ... Emerson had what would be considered a very "modern" technique for playing the keys, something which became invisible in the synthesizers, but all of a sudden are LOUD AND CLEAR in Rachel's hands ... that "translation" is massive and major, and something of the style of a lot of piano classical music in the 60's and early 70's before the synthesizers took over and hid everything else.
RW may have the chops, but even he has not been able to show the YES music on a piano in a solo style, and this (TO ME!!!!! TO ME!) just shows you that he does not believe or give credit to any of his friends at the time for these compositions and how they came up, not to mention him making fun of the lyrics ... it's not exactly scatology, you know!
For me, RW has made a point that he does not really believe this stuff to be serious music and will continue to be such ... because he does not have the ability to "translate" what he played into something else ... his talent is limited to his massive ego, and the music is supposed to service him .... when in fact 99% of all players are there to service the "music" ... !
You have to realize how KE's piano pieces in Rachel's hands come off as absolutely massive piano concerti ... but it's really hard to tell this to an audience that does not know what that means, and where a lot of rock music came from, specially colored by different sounding instruments!
But RW, by comparison to KE, was already a 2nd generation, not even an originator!
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 09:25
The question of this thread is:
Who's your favorite keyboardist?
keyboardist, not composer for keyboard.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 12:00
There's one other keyboardist who, to me, sounds almost literally like a cross between Emerson and Wakeman.
Rick van der Linden of Ekseption and Trace.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 22:07
ExittheLemming wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Love 'em both but I voted for Keith principally for this reason:
Wakeman is a keyboard player who composes
Emerson was a composer who played keyboards
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Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music than Emerson?
And why did Emerson rely even more on doing covers? |
Six Wives, King Arthur and No Earthly Connection aside, quantity clearly doesn't trump quality. From around '86 Wakeman was churning out 5 or 6 albums a year of fondant new age drivel. Maybe he had more ex wives to satisfy than Keith?  I'm not even convinced Keith has done more covers: (OK they've both done Christmas albums certainly) but Rick also has an entire album of Beatles covers ( Tribute to the Beatles), an entire album of traditional hymns ( Morning Has Broken), an entire album of classical adaptations ( Classical Variations), a entire album of traditional christian music ( Always With You) and an entire album of cover versions ( Piano Portraits) there may be more but I ran out of patience looking for them, you might have better luck:
http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766" rel="nofollow - http:////www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=766
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OK, perhaps there's a lot more covers stuff from Wakeman than I remember, but I was thinking mostly of their more popular an creative periods (mostly the 70's, of course), in which Wakeman did mostly his own original stuff while... well, yes, ELP did mostly original stuff too, but they always included their covers in their albums (which I mostly love, actually). However, for me Six Wives, Arthur, and No Earthly Connection would be more than enough to choose Wakeman over Emerson (in a way, since No Earthly Connection wouldn't be among my personal favourites). I mean, with ELP their golden period consists of 4 or 5 albums, and fans of the band may just love them all. As far as I'm concerned, I like some of the songs, some others leave me cold, and some others I just can't stand, so in the end there's no really great albums for my enjoyment from them. From Wakeman, I find among my favourite albums 6 Wives, Arthur, and Out There, and I like almost as much Journey and Criminal record, plus two masterpiece albums with Yes in Fragile and CttE. And a whole bunch of songs from the rest of their albums (both Wakeman solo and Yes) that I love (more so than the ELP ones). So, in the end, much more music from Wakeman that I love, even if the amount of music in total will earn a good deal of music I wouldn't like (which doesn't really bother me much, for I just don't have to listen to that). And still, quality aside, the statemen had been that Emerson is considered more of a composer and Wakeman more of a player, when it is clear that Wakeman has composed so much more music (and as I said, for me in particular, more music that I like). |
I don't have a problem with any of that but just think how many keystrokes you would have saved us both if you had originally typed:
Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music that I like, than Emerson? 
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OK, but Wakeman did compose much more music than Emerson, and mostly that's what I wanted to say, since my personal preference is, of course, subjective (amount of music composed isn't). But since you sort of dismissed that statement saying that Emerson's compositions are better (or at least that you liked them better), then I go on to add that there is also so much more from Wakeman that I like than from Emerson.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 03 2019 at 22:13
moshkito wrote:
Braka wrote:
Had to call this one a draw. Maybe Wakeman for technique, Emerson for style.
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I don't know ... if you listen to Keith's compositions from ELP on the piano played by Rachel Flowers, it is really difficult to say that ... Emerson had what would be considered a very "modern" technique for playing the keys, something which became invisible in the synthesizers, but all of a sudden are LOUD AND CLEAR in Rachel's hands ... that "translation" is massive and major, and something of the style of a lot of piano classical music in the 60's and early 70's before the synthesizers took over and hid everything else.
RW may have the chops, but even he has not been able to show the YES music on a piano in a solo style, and this (TO ME!!!!! TO ME!) just shows you that he does not believe or give credit to any of his friends at the time for these compositions and how they came up, not to mention him making fun of the lyrics ... it's not exactly scatology, you know!
For me, RW has made a point that he does not really believe this stuff to be serious music and will continue to be such ... because he does not have the ability to "translate" what he played into something else ... his talent is limited to his massive ego, and the music is supposed to service him .... when in fact 99% of all players are there to service the "music" ... !
You have to realize how KE's piano pieces in Rachel's hands come off as absolutely massive piano concerti ... but it's really hard to tell this to an audience that does not know what that means, and where a lot of rock music came from, specially colored by different sounding instruments!
But RW, by comparison to KE, was already a 2nd generation, not even an originator! |
But Rick has played Yes's music on piano only, the album is called "The Yes Piano Variations". Whether the adaptations are well done or not, that would be a matter for each one of us to decide, if we choose to check it out. And I believe Rick does love a lot of Yes music, both in which he was originally involved and not... only, he doesn't like all of it, and that's good, that means he can make a personal and honest opinion without going around with politics.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 00:33
Keith is my hero but I went for the 'both' option because Rick is such a great bloke and I appreciate his work very much. Six Wives is an album that Keith would have loved to have made and virtually defined the use of keyboard in prog rock. Fantastic achievement.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 00:36
twosteves wrote:
Libor10 wrote:
Wakeman because of his Yes music contribution.
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This---very concise great playing and solo's-- -Keith is great but a bit of a w**ker---but Tony Banks is my favorite.  |
I know what you mean but a tad unfair. Emerson was actually a very introverted character despite his stage persona. He liked to quiet life and was not always good in he dealings with people but that is like a lot of us tbh.
anyway talking of 'w**kers' - Tony Banks doesn't really get off lightly in that dept does he??!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 00:38
verslibre wrote:
There's one other keyboardist who, to me, sounds almost literally like a cross between Emerson and Wakeman.
Rick van der Linden of Ekseption and Trace. |
not Patrick Moraz?
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 08:20
jamesbaldwin wrote:
The question of this thread is:
Who's your favorite keyboardist?
keyboardist, not composer for keyboard. |
Sorry ... this would be totally incorrect, as they are both incredible composers, and separating the two from both of these is impossible! But you can see Keith's composition in Rachel Flowers' rendition of several pieces and concert pieces, whereas Rick has not been shown that appreciation or definition as yet ... and he himself, is not championing the music of his band like he could (should/would?) ... and that makes a difference.
It would be a "keyboardist" if all you are choosing is a Big Mac or a BK burger!
Give it a break ... treat the music with the respect that it deserves ... specially in "progressive" .... otherwise it is all meaningless and stupid and down right silly!
I happen to like both "keyboardists" ... however KE gets the nod because his compositions are far more advanced and courageous and "modern" music than the simpler riff oriented material that RW has done.
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Posted By: VicRelayer
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 14:22
I love the both, they were simply gods. Choosing Wakeman or Emerson is choosing Close to the Edge or Tarkus, choosing Journey to the Centre of the Earth or Karn Evil 9.
I probably would choose Emerson, because ELP is maybe my favourite Prog band. I couldn't understand my life without albums like Trilogy or Pictures at an Exhibition, but trying to be objective I think that Emerson were all the time showing his powerful talent with acrobacies, and Wakeman only played his music talking across the songs.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 14:52
moshkito wrote:
jamesbaldwin wrote:
The question of this thread is:
Who's your favorite keyboardist?
keyboardist, not composer for keyboard. |
Sorry ... this would be totally incorrect, as they are both incredible composers, and separating the two from both of these is impossible! But you can see Keith's composition in Rachel Flowers' rendition of several pieces and concert pieces, whereas Rick has not been shown that appreciation or definition as yet ... and he himself, is not championing the music of his band like he could (should/would?) ... and that makes a difference.
It would be a "keyboardist" if all you are choosing is a Big Mac or a BK burger!
Give it a break ... treat the music with the respect that it deserves ... specially in "progressive" .... otherwise it is all meaningless and stupid and down right silly!
I happen to like both "keyboardists" ... however KE gets the nod because his compositions are far more advanced and courageous and "modern" music than the simpler riff oriented material that RW has done. |
Ok, as you prefer....
I'm not a fan of Yes or EL&P... I appreciate both as keyboardist... Emerson is more complete than Wakeman... Wakeman is more versatile than Emerson (as Tcat wrote)... Both are often pleasantly baroque and narcissistic, often excessive and megalomanians, and sometimes pretentious, only that Wakeman in Yes is forced to restrain himself because he is surrounded by other virtuosities and the compositions are not his, are not written for virtuosity to the piano/organ, and in this context his talent is best expressed (not in his solo works), while Emerson being the leader of his group has more freedom to venture where he wants, and in doing so tends to become overflowing and sometimes to engage with executions that are beyond his abilities (Mussorgskij).
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 04 2019 at 15:05
.........I still think Dave Stewart is a cut above Rick and Emmo........
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 14 2019 at 23:07
BOTH...……...BOTH!!!!
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: April 15 2019 at 01:14
richardh wrote:
verslibre wrote:
There's one other keyboardist who, to me, sounds almost literally like a cross between Emerson and Wakeman.
Rick van der Linden of Ekseption and Trace. |
not Patrick Moraz?
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Relayer is the only Yes album I can think of that in places sounds more like Patrick Moraz than Yes. Rick Wakeman on the other hand improves the sound of Yes by adding to it rather than turning it into Rick Wakeman (with exception of the Rick Wakeman solo pieces). I don't think there is a keyboardist who is a cross between Emerson and Wakeman, both unique in their own way. Maybe Igor Khoroshev who's a bit of a chameleon and a bit hard to pinpoint.
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