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Topic: Stravinskij or Ellington or Davis
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Stravinskij or Ellington or Davis
Date Posted: April 17 2019 at 00:09
Im little well versed in all of them, but i respect them and all were mentioned in Fripp interview in Rolling Stone. I believe these fellows to be kindred spirits of Fripp. So this is based on that notion that all of these three went from one thing and changed directions through their carears. Highly praised musicians and composers in academia but also to commoners. All three virtouses that had few equals in ther time or perhaps ever... whom does the hall of prog thinknof these three mighty dudes.  


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 17 2019 at 04:58
Stravinsky.


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 17 2019 at 16:08
Miles Davis


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: April 17 2019 at 16:41
Stravinsky and Davis are my all time favorite classical and jazz artists.  In my heart, they are equal.  



Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: April 20 2019 at 15:28
Can't choose. All three are so special in their own way that I can't not pick any of them. At the moment, I'm feeling the Duke. But yesterday it was Miles. But I feel a little need for Igor coming along.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: April 20 2019 at 19:17
They are all wonderful and different, but gotta go with the classic Stravinsky.



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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 21 2019 at 02:50
Miles Davis, and although I do love plenty of early Duke its not really very close. Stravinskij seems to be a proggers favorite, but I've never really cared about those progressive complexities which is often mentioned as to why - in itself. Love his Symphony of Psalms though.


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: April 21 2019 at 03:20
Stravinski.


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 17 2021 at 16:34
Bump

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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 17 2021 at 16:46

Stravinsky



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Posted By: Tancos
Date Posted: March 17 2021 at 17:23
Easy choice, for once. I listened to Stravinsky's Octet for Wind Instruments and the L'Histoire du Soldat suite yesterday.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 08:57
Miles...by miles.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 10:27
Hi,

A really hard choice, since all three were the "fathers" of something new ... a new expression in music that was not heard before ... and both Ellington and Davis gathered faster accolades than Stravinsky because of the media, and the selling of records, although the movie industry did their best to prevent black music (Tom Dowd Special!) for a long time, until such a time in the 60's when the sales of the black music was getting way too big for it to be ignored by commercial interests!

Stravinsky survived the time and even worked as a conductor for some of his pieces, and it ended up endearing his work to the audiences, and the recordings, that surfaced later, showed that this was indeed different and not only very good, but far out.

In all honesty, Stravinsky deserves the vote, but I do not like to not think that the other two do not deserve a vote. Miles sure does, even if some do not like him, because he is all over the place and many times folks think it is disjointed, but his improvisational style is far out, and something that only "krautrock" was able to do in both jazz and rock music.

I think weird sometimes ... I really think that Tangerine Dream deserves to be in that list ... because they really helped define and show that electronic music was far out and valuable, and a lot of the electronics before them were not as serious and well defined as they became ... most of it, like Tomita, were excellent documents that electronics could be used for classical music and very well at that ... however the ability to make other music with the electronics was still in its infancy, although Vangelis, should be in the mold with TD since he was doing it at the same time on his own!

It's a tough thing ... but one needs to put all of this on a piece of paper like a huge map over 100 years of music to see how "big" some of these folks deserve to be in terms of their contributions. 

They are all 5 star folks in my book, for different reasons!


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 12:47
Davis.....all the way.........Ellington was a bit too early for my tastes...though an icon,  and never got into Stravinski. ... I'm a baroque fan and early 19th century also.

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Posted By: Crane
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 12:59
I feel a bit ashamed, as though I should have voted for Stravinsky, but I’ve listened to the most of Miles.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 13:22
Originally posted by Crane Crane wrote:

I feel a bit ashamed, as though I should have voted for Stravinsky, but I’ve listened to the most of Miles.

Hi,

No shame in that ... the hard part being that radio and the local orchestras never did a lot of classical music justice, by sticking to the "top 5" pieces over and over and over again. In the past 30 to 40 years, even here, it is really hard to see many folks like classical music ... not just one favorite ... but all classical music and its massive history ... and then stick to just one person a few years ago.

In the Miles special on the stream, there is a fun bit ... some guy joined them and he was really good and very academic and all that ... so Miles saw one of the scores for something or that and said something like ... will do variations on that until we fall off the stage, or something like it ... and the guy was surprised, when Miles was not kidding, and every night he had to adjust. Good music lesson, if you ask me!

The folks that "turned music" upside down, are always very valuable ... and Miles deserves to be listed, and although your ear is not yet acquainted to Stravinsky, in the end, one can only say one thing ... there is music ... and then there is more music ... and the difference is? ... When you stop choosing "sides" or "favorites", that you find a new universe out there ... and it is ENDLESS.


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 14:14
I'm not so big on Ellington but both Stravinskij and Miles are great. Stravinskij by a whisker.


Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 14:20
Stravinsky and Davis, both Le Sacre & In A Silent Way feel like an open path into prog.


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 18 2021 at 16:43
What i find interesting with Duke Ellington is that he bridges jazz tradition with clasdical tradition, trained in both fields, and crosses over spessialy hes homage to Edvard Grieg ' - Peer Gynt.h


Hes duette with John Coltrain (and Elvin Jones) is spine chilling delicate and dissonant piano, a splendid showcase of listening and playing, call and responce, playing relaxed yet exudes musical genius on the HIGHEST vallour.



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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 19 2021 at 14:45
option 1 

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 19 2021 at 18:15
option 2...  the most musically essential of the 3.. and figures consdiering this forum.. most unappreciated.

Symphony of Negro Life probably had more impact than anything Stravs or Miles did...


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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: March 20 2021 at 03:27
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

option 2...  the most musically essential of the 3.. and figures consdiering this forum.. most unappreciated.

Symphony of Negro Life probably had more impact than anything Stravs or Miles did...

The question was not “Who do you think was most important/impactful?”, but rather more simply, “Who do you prefer?”. Given this, it is a little disingenuous to make the assumption that those who have not voted for Ellington think him not “musically esssntial” or that he is “unappreciated”.

I am quite certain that a lot of the people who have voted DO appreciate Ellington, and ARE aware of how much impact and import he had. But preference pays no attention to such matters.

I can recognise influential and important albums and artists, but it doesn’t mean I necessarily like them, or (if I do), that I will prefer them. 🤷🏻‍♂️



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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 20 2021 at 06:52
Stravinsky and Davis are equal in my heart. That said, I adore Ellington. 
This poll is like asking me to pick between my three children. 
 


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 15:03
All three are incredible and favourites voted for...Stravinskij

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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 04:45
Miles Davis all day (and night).

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