Please help me identify a melody (Änglagârd)
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Topic: Please help me identify a melody (Änglagârd)
Posted By: Desperado
Subject: Please help me identify a melody (Änglagârd)
Date Posted: June 08 2019 at 17:15
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Greetings Prog Rock Lovers, since I assume this forum is full of experts, I ask for your help in identifying a certain sequence of notes that I encountered at 6:16 of the song "Jordrök" by Swedish Prog Rock Band Änglagård (1992): https://youtu.be/ngLxOB-ZNuw?t=376" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/ngLxOB-ZNuw?t=376 What interests me is the bassline at this point, not the flute part. I'm absolutely sure I heard it in a different, earlier song but I just cannot find it. Another prog rock song, maybe a famous Swedish folk song? Can you help me out? Thanks for your kindness. |
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 08 2019 at 18:55
| I'm not sure if it's the same part you are referring to but I'm pretty sure there is something from Hybris that also appears on Epilog which was their second album. |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 08 2019 at 19:12
| Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm looking for something that was released earlier than 1992. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 08 2019 at 19:31
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It sounds like a Tull riff ~ which is to say it reminds of Tull ~ maybe circa 1970 or so, albums like Stand Up, Benefit, Aqualung, etc. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 08 2019 at 21:48
Same here. It really reminds me a lot of the old Tull.
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Atavachron wrote:Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 09 2019 at 02:46
| Sounds like Tull - could also be Focus ? |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 09 2019 at 17:22
| Hmm, I reheard the first four Tull albums. No match yet. |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 12 2019 at 15:45
| Ok, I now heard every 60s and 70s album from Tull. No success. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 12 2019 at 16:05
When I first heard hocus pocus I thought it was Tull. This sounds more like Tull than a lot of Tull: |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 14:40
| From a stylistic point of view, you are all right. I just want that exact baseline. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 14:45
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At least now you're all checked-out on JT  ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 14:55
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My guess is that it is likely a Swedish folk song, if not styled as one. I will ask one or two of my nyckelharpa playing friends if they know the tune. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 15:00
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https://youtu.be/DtcnhuxKwuM?t=181" rel="nofollow - This is the only thing I can think of. ------------- Bez pierdolenia sygnał zerwie, to w realia wychodź w hełmie! |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 15:24
| The first 4 notes sound right. And the style. We're getting closer. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 15:38
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^^Rhythmically those phrases are quite different, different meters. But keep in mind the riff is a pretty common 1 - 2 - ♭3 - 4 - 5 - ♯5 , and then back down the scale. That combination pops up frequently. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.johndcook.com%2Fflatsharp.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.johndcook.com%2Fblog%2F2009%2F03%2F16%2Fsharps-and-flats-in-html%2F&docid=V3RCXBVwfOp9sM&tbnid=4AkuKOfxOcQRFM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwixj7fztOfiAhVHlFQKHaXUCkIQMwh-KBYwFg..i&w=206&h=88&bih=659&biw=1182&q=sharp%20and%20flat%20symbols&ved=0ahUKEwixj7fztOfiAhVHlFQKHaXUCkIQMwh-KBYwFg&iact=mrc&uact=8" rel="nofollow - - ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 02:36
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Renaissance maybe? ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 22 2019 at 08:53
Did you happen to meet your friends yet?
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 22 2019 at 08:56
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No, they are touring right now, so I haven't heard back.... ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 22 2019 at 10:38
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Different time signature, but the bass line is reminiscent in sections. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: June 22 2019 at 12:57
Ok, I'll be waiting here. tx
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 22 2019 at 15:16
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I did send another email, hopefully they will let me know soon if they are familiar with the melody. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: July 02 2019 at 16:29
| Any news? |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: July 02 2019 at 16:31
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No, I am afraid they are not answering for some reason. I will let you know if I ever hear back...they may just be too busy in summer touring season to be checking their emails. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 02 2019 at 17:18
Hey Nikki remember that time you tried to help me identify something I heard when I was a kid and it turned out to be Jean Luc Ponty? 
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: July 02 2019 at 17:27
I try my best! Don't always hit the mark, though.  ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: July 03 2019 at 13:58
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Since you all spent so much time trying to help me it is probably fair to tell you why I'm so interested in this particular bassline: I have a blog about video game music where I'm trying to find the actual musical origins of certain well known tracks: https://www.destructoid.com/blogs/PhilsPhindings/ What I basically do is search the web for actual music in pop culture that has been released before the games I'm interested in and that might have served as an inspiration for the music in the game. Regarding the bassline, it caught my interest when I realized that a certain melody in a certain game, Golden Axe 2 for the Sega Megadrive, seems to be practically built around it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRY4Q-9vK0 The problem is that the game was released in 1991 and Jordröck was released in 1992 AFTER the game. So I assume both songs have a common, earlier origin that I'm trying to find. I apologize if you assumed I was a pure Prog Rock fan...
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Posted By: XavGD
Date Posted: July 03 2019 at 14:08
| Sounds like it could be from a renaissance madrigal or plain chant. Something like Josquin des Prez? |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: August 17 2019 at 07:41
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Any news? |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 10:38
| *push* |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: December 01 2019 at 09:48
Hello. Did you happen to hear something new? Regards
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: December 01 2019 at 10:21
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Absolutely no response, so I'm afraid not. So sorry! ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: December 01 2019 at 14:07
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How about Bach's fugue in g minor? Many prog bass lines and themes are inspired by the fugue theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbxFi3-UO4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbxFi3-UO4 ------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: December 05 2019 at 15:16
I think some of the bass notes come pretty close. The general idea is good.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 12:26
| It is a Swedish folk song, and if you listen through the 70s albums from Merit Henningsson I'm sure you Will come across it soon, all her albums are on Spotify. Start with Huuva! Svensk folkmusik på beat (71) and Trollskog (72) and Bergtagem (73) and Balsam (76). I haven't heard any of the albums after Balsam. |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: February 14 2020 at 14:32
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Wow, it was a good thing to look here again after two months! I will definitively have a look at this! Tx |
Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: February 17 2020 at 15:46
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After sampling several of the albums you mentioned, I didn't find
the bassline I was looking for. Do you have a more specific hint? Regards
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Posted By: Desperado
Date Posted: May 08 2020 at 10:58
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