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Topic: Clapton / Gilmour
Posted By: patrickq
Subject: Clapton / Gilmour
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 08:00
Clapton vs. Gilmour: Clapton’s got to be the knee-jerk reaction, and he’s probably the better guitar soloist. I’m not a guitarist, and although I’m capable of being a credulous fanboy, I’ve never been a devotee of Pink Floyd or of Clapton. But listening to Wish You Were Here in advance of possibly reviewing it, I’m reconsidering just how good Gilmour is. Opinions?



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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 09:34
Clapton is more varied and a better improviser, but Gilmour can create more passion and strength.  They both have their own distinct styles, and they are both highly revered by me, so I can't decide which one I like more, I think they are both amazing.

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 09:51
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Clapton is more varied and a better improviser, but Gilmour can create more passion and strength.  They both have their own distinct styles, and they are both highly revered by me, so I can't decide which one I like more, I think they are both amazing.

I agree with all of the above.... both are amazing in different ways


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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 11:23
Gilmour.. I have never been a fan of Clapton or all the cover songs he does, or the same scale he's been playing for 50 years, usually on the backs of another group. He coudn't even write the music or lyrics to "Layla" (Allman's riff, lyrics by multiple people, outro coda belongs to multiple folks)


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Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 11:38
Clapton is perhaps more virtuosic and more eclectic, but Gilmour has delivered lots of monumental soli and riffs, both on the acoustic guitar (Wish You Were is so moving, so beautiful) as on the electric guitar (the Comfortably Numb solo is one of the best ever), and the steel-guitar. He plays emotionally, in the spirit of the blues, and knows how to build up a solo and work to a climax. And he has a very distinctive sound, that is also a big plus, like Jeff Beck and Al DiMeola, he belongs in that category!


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 11:42
Gilmour > Clapton. That is all.


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 17:06
Neither of these guys is a top ten guitarist to me.  But Clapton, at times, seems like he knows the guitar better than Gilmore.  When Clapton wants to he can stink with the best of them but when he brings his 'A' game he's hard not to listen to.  Clapton gets my vote.


Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 18:03
I'll chose Gilmour anytime.

I have always found Eric Clapton slightly overrated as a guitarist. No doubt that he is technically brilliant; he also has a very distinct sound, but he rarely goes beyond the standard blues phrasings - which is why I often lose interest during his solos.

I think David Gilmour is much more lyrical and melodic, and there's a bit more emotion in his playing while you can still hear a bluesy feel in it. "Shine On" of course is a good example of that, as is "Time".


Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 18:11
More generally, I would say the most interesting guitar players are not necessarily the greatest virtuosos. I usually get bored by fast finger moving, especially after ten minutes, which is why I find it incredibly hard to listen through an album like Derek and the Dominos's "Layla".

There are exceptions of course: I really like Richie Blackmore, but I guess that is because of the almost classical sounding guitar playing on some Purple tracks.


Posted By: DarkTower
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 20:04
Clapton is probably more technical,  but Gilmour has so much emotion and feeling. I must choose Gilmour.


Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 20:09
According to https://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/the-view-from-here/interview-david-gilmour-99501/4" rel="nofollow - this interview, Gilmour was influenced by Clapton. Not that the pupil cannot surpass the student...


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 20:32
Would you guys feel the same with Beck v Gilmour? 

Just curious.


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Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 21:00
Jeff Beck is an interesting story, he left The Yardbirds because he disliked the poppy factor, the rest is history, because he developed an unique sound, very powerful, often with the use of the tremolo arm. For me Jeff Beck and David Gilmour are on the same level (like I stated in my previous post), guitarists that do not need to deliver fast scale acrobatics to impress (like so many prog metal, heavy metal, hardrock and jazzrock guitarists), they focus on emotion, on playing just a few notes. For me that does more than all those clinical virtuosic scale acrobacy ...


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 21:09
not a big fan of either--but probably Gilmour has moved me more.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 21:32
Gilmour is my favourite guitaris, so this is easy. Clapton is of course, deservedly a legend, though. By the way, I wish Waters would release a live album from the tour he did with Clapton on guitars, I believe that would be interesting to hear.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 22:02
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Would you guys feel the same with Beck v Gilmour? 

Just curious.

Both Beck and Clapton can play circles around Gilmour.

I'd probably still choose Gilmour.   In a way, Dave has continued to evolve and become more refined.   He is also a cleaner player, a better performer, and more true to his studio work in concert.






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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 10 2019 at 22:13
Both are heavily influenced by the blues. Though quite different, they really deliver a fantastic array of sounds and melodies. I like both for very different reasons, and cannot pick one above the other, it all depends on what mood I'm in at the moment. 


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 04:08
It depends on what they play. Clapton's performances with Waters (not only Pros and Cons, I have a bootleg of their concert in Stockholm), aren't at the level of Gimour. Wish You Were Here in Stockholm is played with the E bass untuned. Probably he wasn't in a good status, actually.

On the other side, Clapton is surely more technical than Gilmour as player. 
You can be technical, you can be the most technical guitarist in the whole world...but you haven't composed Comfortably Numb.

That's the difference,



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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 06:30
They're both great. Gilmour happens to be on far more music that I love, but that doesn't mean I have much to complain about Clapton's guitar playing. Beck certainly is good, too, but really doesn't have that much stuff that moves me.


Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 09:25
Beck is great, but I have a harder time listening to his albums because he is more of a show off and (yes I know this is a strange thing to rate a guitarist by) he can't sing where both Clapton and Gilmour can making their music more versatile.  They could be excellent artists just on their singing alone, but they can both hold my interest better than Beck can.  There have been a few albums that I have enjoyed by Beck, but I consistently love Gilmour and Clapton.

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 09:41
Totally agree on feeling v technical.

A friend of mine is always trying to get me into Satriani. I acknowledge his skills, but I still glaze over fairly quickly with wave after wave of shred.


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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:05
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Totally agree on feeling v technical.

A friend of mine is always trying to get me into Satriani. I acknowledge his skills, but I still glaze over fairly quickly with wave after wave of shred.
 
Agreed.  I have that same problem with many of the guitar virtuoso artists, they start to sound the same.  The real artists are the ones that can display their use of dynamics and variety.


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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:05
In my younger days I would have emphatically say Clapton. 
Now, I say Gilmour with equal enthusiasm.

Neither is in my top 10, but I do see a clear separation at this point. 

Clapton was really awesome at what he did when he did it, but what he did wasn't particularly unique and really rather narrow in scope when compared to those I think of as truly special guitarists.  And he has settled into making some really bland music for the last two decades at least.  While not flashy, Gilmour is indeed special, unique, and uniquely expressive.   


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:09
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Beck is great, but I have a harder time listening to his albums because he is more of a show off and (yes I know this is a strange thing to rate a guitarist by) he can't sing where both Clapton and Gilmour can making their music more versatile.  They could be excellent artists just on their singing alone, but they can both hold my interest better than Beck can.  There have been a few albums that I have enjoyed by Beck, but I consistently love Gilmour and Clapton.

I wouldn't call either one any where near as versatile (as a guitarist that is, vocals aside) as Beck.  Dude has at times in his career demonstrated mastery over a broad range of styles. Clapton tried to do jazz once and it was a disappointment to say the least.  


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:16
I actually hear a lot of expressiveness in (some of) Satriani's playing.  He's more than just a technical wizard. The problem with his music lies mostly in his refusal to employ a rhythm section that sounds anything other than generic background music for a car commercial.  The drums and bass backing him are always hopelessly mundane.  Without any vocals, the music does end up being rather uninteresting, regardless of whether he can play his guitar expressively or not. 


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:45
Jeff Beck is a beast: the perfect storm of expression and virtuosity. 

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 12:35
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Jeff Beck is a beast: the perfect storm of expression and virtuosity. 

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True...and I would take him and his body of work over either Clapton or Gilmour.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 12:39
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I actually hear a lot of expressiveness in (some of) Satriani's playing.  He's more than just a technical wizard. The problem with his music lies mostly in his refusal to employ a rhythm section that sounds anything other than generic background music for a car commercial.  The drums and bass backing him are always hopelessly mundane.  Without any vocals, the music does end up being rather uninteresting, regardless of whether he can play his guitar expressively or not. 


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 12:52
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Jeff Beck is a beast: the perfect storm of expression and virtuosity. 

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True...and I would take him and his body of work over either Clapton or Gilmour.
 

One of my favorites is Guitar Shop. Doesn't seem to be liked as well as some of this others. How can one not like a trio of Beck, Tony Hymas (keys) and the one & only Terry Bozzio on drums?!


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 13:15
^ When Guitar Shop came out it was a very interesting issue from him, a lot of imagination and actual guitar playing.   Certainly a creative redemption after the radio-oriented Flash.   Saw him on tour for it and it was very clean and well-produced.  




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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 15:09
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ When Guitar Shop came out it was a very interesting issue from him, a lot of imagination and actual guitar playing.   Certainly a creative redemption after the radio-oriented Flash.   Saw him on tour for it and it was very clean and well-produced.
 

That was the soundtrack for when you wanted to pretend you were part of the cast on Miami Vice!


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 16:14
^ Either that or this robotic catastrophe --

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 17:19
Gilmour has grown and gotten better as a guitarist.  Beck has turned into a noodler.  I don't find him that interesting any more. 


Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 20:02
No doubt that Beck is a virtuoso, and, as I have said, I have enjoyed some of his albums, but he just never really stuck with me as consistently as Gilmour or Clapton.  I would say that I even like some of Robin Trower's earlier albums and find them more memorable than Beck's, but, again, that is just my own taste.  I definitely won't say anyone is better than another except from my own point of view.  Beck, Satriani, Vai, Malmsteen ... I tend to classify them together, I've heard them all, and they all sound great at first, they are all guitar aficionados, but I just can't stay interested in them long enough to get through an album.  At least with Beck I can say that I have enjoyed a few of his albums.

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Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 21:02
Lots of sidesteps during this Clapton/Gilmour topic, how about Carlos Santana versus Gilmour? For me Santana is one of the most overlooked guitarists within the world of prog, with his innovative Latin prog sound, his distinctive sustain, and lots of monumental soli, like Gilmour, and both are blues oriented, preferring emotion above scale acrobtics.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 21:33
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:


Clapton is more varied and a better improviser, but Gilmour can create more passion and strength.  They both have their own distinct styles, and they are both highly revered by me, so I can't decide which one I like more, I think they are both amazing.


With all the jamming focus Floyd had in their pre-Dark Side years, I would say the band (Gilmour included) were actually very good improvising. I would actually say I enjoy more the results that came out of Pink Floyd than those of King Crimson themselves in that respect.


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 21:49
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:


Clapton is more varied and a better improviser, but Gilmour can create more passion and strength.  They both have their own distinct styles, and they are both highly revered by me, so I can't decide which one I like more, I think they are both amazing.


With all the jamming focus Floyd had in their pre-Dark Side years, I would say the band (Gilmour included) were actually very good improvising. I would actually say I enjoy more the results that came out of Pink Floyd than those of King Crimson themselves in that respect.

Clapton is indeed a very good improviser.... within the confines the standard pentatonic blues scale. But that is hardly varied.  As masterful as he is within those bounds, I can't see him as being more varied than any of the other guitarists discussed on this thread.  


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 22:01
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Clapton is more varied and a better improviser, but Gilmour can create more passion and strength.  They both have their own distinct styles, and they are both highly revered by me, so I can't decide which one I like more, I think they are both amazing.
With all the jamming focus Floyd had in their pre-Dark Side years, I would say the band (Gilmour included) were actually very good improvising. I would actually say I enjoy more the results that came out of Pink Floyd than those of King Crimson themselves in that respect.

They were excellent improvisors, even post-DarkSide if you listen to tapes from the WYWH tour.   In fact the material was largely born of improvisation, either as a group or individually.



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Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: June 11 2019 at 22:18
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I actually hear a lot of expressiveness in (some of) Satriani's playing.  He's more than just a technical wizard.


I feel the same way about Trevor Rabin. Surprisingly capable of expression, and, I believe, a Beck fan also. But when in doubt, he shreds. Or used to anyway!


Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 12 2019 at 09:32
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:


Clapton is more varied and a better improviser, but Gilmour can create more passion and strength.  They both have their own distinct styles, and they are both highly revered by me, so I can't decide which one I like more, I think they are both amazing.


With all the jamming focus Floyd had in their pre-Dark Side years, I would say the band (Gilmour included) were actually very good improvising. I would actually say I enjoy more the results that came out of Pink Floyd than those of King Crimson themselves in that respect.

Clapton is indeed a very good improviser.... within the confines the standard pentatonic blues scale. But that is hardly varied.  As masterful as he is within those bounds, I can't see him as being more varied than any of the other guitarists discussed on this thread.  
 
While it is true most of Clapton's music is based on the blues scale and messing around with the standard 12 bar pattern, he has often delved into other areas like country, folk, reggae, jazz, rock, pop, and all of that, not always to the best of results, but he still tries.  There were even times when he could be quite passionate.  Take, for example, his amazing guitar work (and vocals) on "River of Tears.  Yes it's blues, but its also quite heart wrenching.  And it is also true that Gilmour could be quite varied at times.  But overall, I still stand by what I said comparing the two.  Their strengths make them the amazing musicians that they are.


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 12 2019 at 09:56
Clapton have While My Guitar Gently Wheeps and Gilmore have Confortibly Numb, both are curriculum for everyone whom are in the training grounds for becoming lead guitarist.

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 12 2019 at 09:59
that guitar sound Clapton has live with Cream both in 1968 and 2005 are so damn saevy and hot its, raw, dirty and so stoner rock.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 12 2019 at 14:53
Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Lots of sidesteps during this Clapton/Gilmour topic, how about Carlos Santana versus Gilmour? For me Santana is one of the most overlooked guitarists within the world of prog, with his innovative Latin prog sound, his distinctive sustain, and lots of monumental soli, like Gilmour, and both are blues oriented, preferring emotion above scale acrobtics.
 

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Posted By: thief
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 04:26
Arguably, Dave Gilmour has the minimum amount of skill that still lets you belong in "great guitarists" pantheon purely relying on your sound/tone/soloing style. I think he's entrenched in a comfort zone, but he's able to pull off some impressive music with very modest tools. More power to him.

Clapton isn't the most technical on Earth, but at least he used to be on top in 1965-74 era, roughly.

Someone mentioned Beck. Of the three, he'd be my pick, although with a caveat... there are some nights when wild, groundbreaking guitar experiments backfire and he sounds less than impressive. Ritchie Blackmore said that Jeff Beck's style is out of this Earth IF he has a good night, but he also takes many risks so... you get the picture.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 12:58
^ Beck was a great mistake-maker.



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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 15 2019 at 09:37

I'm sure many here have seen this....'nuff said.


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