Wizzard? Why aren't they on the main site?
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Topic: Wizzard? Why aren't they on the main site?
Posted By: CaravanMadman
Subject: Wizzard? Why aren't they on the main site?
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 05:37
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Hello, I just heard a track called Carlsberg Special by a well known (christmas!) Band called Wizzard. I'm sure you will have heard of them. But have you heard this track, with its jazzy loops, proggy riffs, flutes and harpsichord to boot?! I am floored by the unexpected gem I have just geard. My brain wants more  . I find myself, minutes later, on ebay and amazon looking for a deal on Wizzards Brew (1973) which is the album.Ok. So I come here to learn about the band and find out just what prog-ness they have evolved from (and to), to find, well ... nothing! Under 'W' they are not to be found and apart from the odd reference in a review referencing ELO or Roy Wood, there is nothing.  This is one of those hidden gems of prog as far as I'm concerned. Especially as everyone thinks they know Wizzard and will already have dismissed them due to that song! Don't they deserve a place on the most thorough prog site online?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 05:45
| why don't you suggest them, post a link so we can hear them and they'll be evaluated and then, if they fit a subgenre, they'll be added. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 05:48
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I'm not that familiar with Wizzard. Wizzard has been suggested to Prog Archives: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=118457" rel="nofollow - Wizzard (UK) for Heavy prog (CLICK) You might want to post your thoughts in that thread, since that is the forum used for submitting bands to be considered for our database inclusion. Here's the rateyourmusic page: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/wizzard" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/wizzard As a general note, here's our http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942751#3942751" rel="nofollow - Band submission policy (CLICK) . ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 06:15
| I've always loved "See My Baby Jive" which has so much going on I'm sure there must be a kitchen sink in there somewhere, but I'm not sure I'd consider them to be a prog band. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 06:35
| Well, one of the tracks on that album is over 13 minutes, it must be prog! |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 08:06
Roy Wood, just a phenomenally creative guy! Ex The Move and ELO. And produced a wonderful solo recording by Annie Haslam, Annie In Wonderland. Saw him play with Wizzard (bagpipes!) and met Flo and Eddie in the lobby back in the day at that show.  I also love his solo LP's, Boulders and Mustard.------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 10:30
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Wizzard were fun, but absolutely never a part of either the prog, or wider art rock, scene. They were a pop band, albeit a jolly good one. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 13 2019 at 12:21
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^They were fun but not really prog rock imho...though certainly not just pop either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizzard" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizzard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Wood" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Wood (I never thought of ELO as prog rock either ,but they are on here as 'Crossover'...whatever that means. ;) To my ears Lynne always wanted to be the Beatles but even more 'artsy'.) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: CaravanMadman
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 10:01
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Some interesting replies here. I checked that request that exists already - I also manged to listen to the album via amazon music unlimited and I realise now that the track I heard was not representative of the album. What I mean is that that track was undeniably proggy but each of the tracks on there are in a world of their own. Some are filled with experimentation and styles of all shapes and some are reflections of the time, just pure glam rock (Not something i can appreciate.) So no, even I don't think Wizzard are prog rock  I do think they could've been!! Carlsberg Special is a grand example of what they weren't but could've been. I will always keep that track on a playlist somewhere in the car. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 10:24
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Regarding that connection of ELO and Wood and Lynne.....I enjoyed The Move better than either ELO or Wizzard...their page here https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3776" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3776 they get dumped into proto prog.... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 11:34
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Yes I also loved The Move the best of them....They also covered US Ars Nova's "Fields of People," a great 60's tune. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 14:17
Yes...I absolutely love the way The Move did 'Fields of People'...and really love the Last Thing on My Mind by Paxton....both from Shazam. I recall Ars Nova but currently don't own any....I'll have to ck them out regarding old vinyl at the local place. Thanks for reminding me of that. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Snicolette wrote:Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 19:28
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Tom Paxton was also a fine writer of the day (still alive and touring, btw). The Move's "Brontosaurus," was such a fun song, too, and "Beautiful Daughter," such a beautiful Beatles-y pop song, with a twist, like most of The Move's pieces....and although I am not a huge ELO fan, I have to say that "Can't Get It Out Of My Head," is just gorgeous. As far as Ars Nova, I love their "Pavan For My Lady," in particular, just so pretty and ornate, yet also, in a way, simple. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 14 2019 at 19:39
| Always liked Wizard. And "The Move". |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 15 2019 at 06:27
Magnificent material, however a lot of it fit more into a style that would be comical and satirical, than anything else ... and considering that ... "progressive", then, becomes a very difficult thing ... we would have to honor Dudley Moore for his many "progressive" and "experimental" pieces of music done with comedy to make fun of something else ... and that is not something that many folks here can handle well, I don't think ... otherwise, the BONZO DOG DOO DAH BAND would be considered PROGRESSIVE, because of the vast nature of their music and how far they took so much of it ... breaking it down, is crazy and only a handful of songs come off as "songs" as opposed to really well thought out pieces of music ... with lyrics that are just as out there as most anyone! I ended up liking ROY/WIZZARD a lot more than the schmaltzy stuff that ELO set their minds to doing. Thus, in this manner, Roy should be considered a lot more progressive than ELO will ever be. There are some things I miss ... I understood, in the early days that EDDIE AND THE FALCONS was another wonderful thing by Roy ... but sadly got lost as at the time, people did not think that satires of that early rock'n'roll stuff was cool ... how dare you make fun of Elvis, kind of thing ... and in the end, it wasn't even satirical ... it was a magnificent album, and the poor guy, as clever and good as he is a musician, will never get credit for it ... but hopefully, at least he knows inside his heart ... where the creative spirit lived and died. Getting a bunch of folks here to add this, will probably be hard, since it does not have the thing and charisma that we think others have created in order to make their work more attractive, when in the end, it is not really even that original! And here, someone like one guy, will get in for the fun of it, and someone like Roy won't even be heard beyond half a cut! I would vote for this, and also to lower ELO's standard! They were not that great after the first 4 albums, even though there are a few pieces of music that we love to listen to. NP: MUSTARD
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