Where do you stand on prog metal?
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Topic: Where do you stand on prog metal?
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Where do you stand on prog metal?
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 18:54
| I rarely see any posts or polls about prog metal so was just wondering what most on here think of it. |
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 19:27
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I love Dream Theatre. Otherwise I'm not very familiar with most of it. I enjoy Crack the Skye by Mastodon and Magma by Gojira if either of those count. Opeth has some great riffs as well. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 19:30
| I’ve only listened to Dream Theater and operation mindcrime. Like dream theater a lot, will choose other bands in other genres first though |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 19:40
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Strange poll. The top two choices are not mutually exclusive. It's also curious the option of calling prog metal cheezy and liking regular metal better since its regular metal which is more prone to adding a layer of cheez whiz. Personally, I love it, but that doesn't mean I place it above other prog subgenres. If you like DT, you should give Fates Warning a go. |
Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 19:41
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dougmcauliffe wrote:Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 19:41
Sorry I didn't do the poll to your liking. You can't please everyone. Anyway, I suggest the first option for you. Bands like megadeth, iron maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Saxon, etc were not cheesy. You are thinking of the hair metal bands who I admit were cheesy.
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 20:00
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It's not a matter of like vs not like, but rather not including options which aren't mutually exclusive. In any case I did indeed cast the initial vote under the first option as it seemed closest to my sentiment. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 20:50
Oh for crying out loud!  This isn't a logic class it's a freaking prog poll. Obviously it is about liking vs not liking since you were complaining about it. You wouldn't complain if you liked it. Anyway, not that I really care but I changed it anyway and so I hope you are happy now.  If not then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not changing it again. You can start your own poll. Also, you should consider changing your user name to pedantic progger. ;)Anyway, no the first option as of now still has zero which means you must have chosen the second option. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 21:18
| I guess I can say that I love it, though perhaps I don't really know as much as other people might do, and I don't really love everything in it. But the bands that I have come to love are really great. |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 22:58
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Forgot about Queensryche. They're great as well. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 23:12
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Its fine...there are good bands and there are sh*t bands. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 16 2019 at 23:59
| Option 3 - have to be in the mood |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 01:33
Just like every genre! I Absolutely love it. I've played in said bands for over a decade, and nothing has improved my chops more than studying straight jazz and ironically, technical progressive death metal. Death Gorguts Atheist Cynic Pestilence Bring it! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 03:15
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Ayreon and Riverside are two of my favorites, while I've never been too much into Dream Theater. I also like bands like Arcturus and Opeth. Senmuth is a subgenre on his own, I think. I enjoy Artension mainly because of Vitalij Kuprij. Out of the prog world (not sure if really out) Serj Tankian is a big. His "Elect The Dead Symphonic" may deserve an evaluation as the rule says "At least 1 prog album". ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 04:07
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Not much of a fan. I like prog and I like metal but when you put the two together, I'm pretty unimpressed. I prefer prog with a harder edge but when it veers into prog metal, it does almost nothing for me. I find it less interesting than other genres of prog, if that makes any sense. A lot of it also sounds samey to me. As a youth I was a big Queensryche and Iron Maiden fan and still like them to a degree. I also enjoy some Tool and Dream Theater in (very) small doses and I liked when Porcupine Tree dabbled in metal but that's about it really.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 04:17
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Neither a fan nor a hater. I like some of it now and then. Voted option #3. ------------- 
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 08:26
I wasn't complaining, just pointing out a potential difficulty for voters. Really wasn't meant to be a biggie. I still went ahead and picked the one that I thought most closely represented my thoughts on the subject. It's not like I was launching some sort of boycott here.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 09:25
So you eventually chose option number one then(after I changed it)?
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 09:30
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I love some of it like Voivod, Ved Buens Ende, Early Dream Theater, Death, Mastodon, Opeth, Tesseract, but also like stoner doom metal and Soundgarden -------------  
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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 10:24
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My recollection was that, in the original poll, I chose the first option. (if my recollection was correct that the first option was I love it and the second was it's not my fave) Hence my point that I participated despite any concerns in logic I may have had. I was as yet unaware you had changed the poll until I read your response, hence I had not yet had an opportunity to revote.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 10:28
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While I can get into it on occasion when the mood strikes, it all tends to sound the same to me; many of the bands are interchangeable. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 10:35
Yes.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 10:36
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Voted Other, I like some, but dislike a lot, if if comes from the Avant scene then I'm much more likely to like it, Sleepytime, Unexpect, Stolen Babies, Behold The Arctopus, etc. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 10:55
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I've found some great prog metal, but found others that should have stayed locked up in the CheezWhiz bottle. Pretty much like all of the genres, some is good, some is not, I try to give every genre a chance, and always seem to find some good everywhere. But if you don't try, you won't find the real treasures. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 11:19
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I like the sound of metal. I like the composition and musicianship of prog. So it only makes sense that I like progressive metal.
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 11:29
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It has its moments. I have to be in the mood. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 11:35
I believe you voted for the second option since when you made your initial statement there was still a zero next to the first one. Not a big deal though. I have since changed it to be more "mutually exclusive" as you put it.
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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 12:26
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Where do you stand on prog metal? Probably on the chest, but if you really want to stop it from moving, you'll most likely need a second person to hold its legs down. ------------- The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough. --Robyn Hitchcock |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 12:39
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I had to go look at the top albums and I don't have any of them so really not my cup of tea. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 12:58
| I like Dream Theater & Riverside in small doses.I haven't really check a lot of other stuff out. I'm not always a big fan of stuff being heavy for the sake of being heavy. I like it if they back off once & a while to give in some dynamic contrast. Otherwise it get overwhelming & tedious. |
Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 13:02
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As a genre, I just can't fathom the appeal. It's got too much macho aggression to be good progressive rock, and compositionally, it overthinks things too much to be good metal. ------------- sad creature nailed upon the coloured door of time |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 13:26
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I haven't heard much and... ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 13:38
| Overheard a 12-year-old singing “We’re Not Gonna Take It” today. |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 13:51
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I usually stand as far away as possible ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 14:13
| Like some of it, certain bands, DT, Haken, Vanden Plaus. However, any growl vocals make me laugh so I don't indulge in that. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 15:08
| I wonder if there's a correlation between age and those who like prog metal vs those who don't. |
Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 15:09
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If Dream Theater, Symphony X or Opeth count then it's ok - I like them all and listen them rather often (I've even used to accept Akerfeldt growling on older records :-) ). But to say I love it or like it a lot... hmmm. Sometimes. Probably the third option is for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 15:15
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I had to go with the in the mood vote. I like a lot of prog metal bands but have an aversion to "cookie monster" vocals which make me cringe. I'm sort of surprise that noone has mentioned Heavy Devy as a favorite metal artist. ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 15:19
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not really a fan; it sounds too "put on" to me. but I like Skyclad a lot -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 15:48
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It's delicious and nutritious! -------------  
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 17:46
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I Like some of it but not all. Third choice. I listen expecially to DT and Tool. They are Great but they tend to excess and so, before the end of the album they become tedious. Then I like some of Riverside and Opeth. Anywayit's not easy to me to reach five stars with Progressive Metal. ------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 19:20
| The more I try to like it, the less I do. Many bands I've tried, highly rated by prog metal fans, but it doesn't do it for me. I respect the bands that work very hard recording this type of music though, but I guess it's not my cup of tea. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 17 2019 at 19:45
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Torn between "I like it a lot" and "I like some of it but not all/ have to be in the mood." The prog-metal bands I love — Fates Warning, Savatage, Queensryche, (early) Eternity X, Dream Theater, and most Threshold — are the ones I love. I'll never part with their albums. But after a sorta-kinda burnout some years ago, I stopped actively seeking out prog-metal because those bands (and some I forgot to mention) really cover all the necessary ground with respect to a fusion of heavy melodic metal and symph prog. Unless I stumble on something that blows me away, those bands cover it. And yes, I used to listen to the likes of PoS, Ayreon and Symphony X, but it didn't last. I'm not counting King's X as "prog-metal" because to me they're not. They're just an awesome heavy rock band. Rush isn't prog-metal, either (though they likely spawned it). ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 07:21
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There are a couple of bands that exhibit some characteristics of metal that I enjoy. But if it gets TOO heavy -- especially if they start the gruff vocals -- it turns me off. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 07:54
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I like Nightwish a lot but some would argue they are really symphonic metal more than prog I like Mago de Oz but they are more folk metal than prog etc
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 09:20
That reminds me of the Peruvian band Flor De Loto who are considered folk prog but when I saw them live they were very metallish. Just because a band has a flute player it doesn't make them folk prog.
 Good band though. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 09:24
| Not a fan. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 09:25
Great band!!!
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 10:06
So which option did you chose then? I admit my choices weren't the best. I probably made it too complicated.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 10:32
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Not much of a fan...I own one true prog metal album and that's Awake by Dream Theater....and I don't think I have played that for well over a year. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 12:24
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I very rarely listen to it, the enjoyment just isn't there anymore. Iron Maiden is the sole metal band I listen on a regular basis. ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 20:36
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love me some Metal.. like me some prog... but pretty much hate prog metal minus a select few bands... oil and water really.. and the vast quantity of piss, sh*t, vomit and vaginal discharge hat one can find filed under 'prog metal' goes to show just how difficult it really is to mix them and do it well. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 21:10
I've got a pair of Flor de Loto albums. I do think they have some nice folk elements, and even though they go near metal territory, I don't think it's right to call them prog metal... it would be more like prog that is heavy... there seems to be a good deal of it nowdays. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 18 2019 at 23:22
| ^You might change your mind if you saw them live. I'm not necessarily calling them metal anyway though. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 19 2019 at 19:57
| ^ One of those albums I have is a live album, with DVD included. And indeed they can be heavy, I'm not discussing that. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 19 2019 at 21:08
Ok, let's not discuss it.
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Posted By: Odvin Draoi
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 14:56
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Other, It used to be great, yet for a long time it has been sucking big djent sh*t, generally... |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 16:04
| The results have been very interesting so far to say the least. I seriously think everyone should at least give prog metal a chance. There are many different styles and sounds and to just write it all off as crap without hearing much would be a big mistake imo. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 21:23
| Metal / heavy guitars seem to have gotten into most modern prog bands anyway (even if the bands don't go full metal)... almost as much the rock element was part of prog in the 70's. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 20 2019 at 22:40
While I don't really agree with that analogy I do agree with the fact that metal and or heavy guitars have infiltrated modern prog to a great degree. I think it would be hard to pinpoint which band or bands started that trend but Magic Pie's first album in 2005 had it as did Porcupine Tree's "in absentia" and 2000's "immortal?" by Arena. Even before that you had the bands Mastermind and Par Lindh Project in the 90's with metallish guitars and even some of the Flower Kings sort of leaned in that direction a bit. So while it is really nothing new it has become very common place. Maybe even to the point where it is hard to avoid it if you are buying modern prog albums. So yeah, there can definitely be a thin line between prog metal and heavy prog. That's for sure.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 06:45
If I remember rightly, this forum had shed loads of Prog Metal posts and fans about a decade ago. Then they must have gone elsewhere or shut up. I'm not a fan of it myself, but then I stopped being a teenager before Dream Theatre started ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 09:36
What does being a teen have to do with liking prog metal?
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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 11:51
Potentially, but not in my case, I don't think. I'm of that age where my first beloved bands were KISS, AC/DC, and Judas Priest. Rush led me away from metal toward prog (going backward toward Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc.), while I was also absorbing punk and post-punk. I pretty much ignored most of what was going on in metal during the hey day of hair and thrash. In the last ten years, though, I'd say the music that has thrilled me the most has been in various forms of metal (from Gojira, Alcest, Opeth, Sleep and Zeal + Ardor, and on and on). In terms of what this site has specifically labeled as progressive metal, I can say I adore Riverside (seen them twice live now) but Dream Theater have never clicked for me. ------------- The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough. --Robyn Hitchcock |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 12:05
oh you remember correctly. This forum crawled with those acne scarred blue balled scum haha. They were tolerated for some time but I remember well...the tipping point.. it was the poll I saw one day.. 'Petrucci's favorite breakfast cereal'. On top of nearly every single prog poll on the first page.. being DT related. needless to say .. I lost my sh*t .. and mustered the AR thugs and Symphonic horsemen and let slip the dogs of war.... and we ran down every single f**king DT fan we saw..the innocent and weak of convinction were easily displosed of... the fun ones were those mouthy enough to resist.. and they were shot down in cold blood.as you say.. good luck finding that stuff. The admins blasted those and the bloodbath that resulted in the forum during that time.. and purged the forum of those thread just as efficiently and we did of their fans. Zapped into atomic dust man. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 15:02
| I'm about to turn 55 and I love prog metal. I was well past teenhood when DT dropped Images and Words and all I could say was "Where have you been all my life?" |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 15:41
Before you heard I&W were you already a fan of Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Queensryche? I won't include Metallica because they were thrash but basically I'm just curious if you were already a bit of a metal head when you first got into Dream Theater. Anyway, I don't like metal or prog metal all the time but sometimes it definitely hits the spot. I can imagine it being good music for when you are in a bad mood and need something a bit aggressive to listen to to calm your nerves maybe.
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 15:58
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Difficult for me to find a great prog metal masterpiece. I like it, but love symphonic or neo prog. |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 21 2019 at 16:25
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The whole "metal is for teenagers" deal has pretty much lost its luster through the decades. At a metal gig I went to recently, featuring black and death metal bands like Dark Funeral and Incantation, there was a fair amount of gray hair in the crowd. Hell, some of these bands consist of dudes in their fifties. As for young metal fans, the scuzzy weed-scented long-hair types of the 80's have gradually been being replaced by a much nerdier crowd, at least it seems that way. Also, if you are physically fit, don't buy a metal shirt at a gig. It's like the shirt gets wider towards the lower half. I guess it makes sense given that the average metal fan is either too chubby or scrawny for well-formed shirts. In fact, the best bet is getting an XL girls shirt.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 28 2019 at 03:15
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none of this options suits my take on this genre. I like it generally but I've heard some godawful stuff as well (but then again I can say this about any genre
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: July 28 2019 at 03:53
I'm laughing because you're spot on  .I played in the scene for years in and around Boston/Manchester, and you described it to a T. Most band shirts suck now because they use those dense, heavy AAA cotton T's that are like wearing an egg carton. I got to meet Incantation a couple years back at MDF, great guys! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Arnulf Floyd
Date Posted: July 28 2019 at 08:41
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I personally I am not so much in metal except Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth and Alice in Chains. I am a rock music lover. Symphonic prog, eclectic prog and heavy prog are my cup of tea on prog side ------------- Long Live Rock 'n' Roll |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 28 2019 at 11:07
None of those bands are typically considered prog metal although imo IM and Metallica have had prog elements and moments at times. I can't really speak to JP but apparently they have as well(but maybe not to the same extent).
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 11 2019 at 03:16
I chose the second option, "I like it a lot but it's not one of my top 2 or 3 subgenres". My two favourite Progressive Metal artists are Ayreon & Dream Theater. I like every album I've ever heard by those two technically proficient Metal artists. 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 11 2019 at 03:29
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I like some/Have to be in the mood. It's not something I listen to with much enthusiasm, although I've seen Dream Theater and Opeth a few times and they're always good live. To be honest I prefer straight metal over prog metal, notably classic metal and not modern stuff where the drums all sound hyper processed and the playing seemingly computer programmed flawless. I like it rough around the edges; old Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead etc. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: October 11 2019 at 06:14
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Still cant vote but for me it a mix of |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: October 11 2019 at 06:20
| "I like it a lot but it's not one of my top 2 or 3 subgenres" definitely fits my stance. I listen to Prog Metal quite often actually. |
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: October 11 2019 at 06:25
I guess it is also that there was a peak of very good new and interesting "harder" Prog around 15-20 years ago, with a lot of Love for bands like DreamT - Tool - Opeth - Riverside - Mars Volta - Pain of Salvation and many more. Some of them have changes, some are gone and if the still exist they are not ground breaking anymore. NB: The age thing is overrated - many young people listen to old music, and many old people like myself listen to loads of young bands.
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