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Topic: Biggest Band Drop-off After One Quits/Fired
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: Biggest Band Drop-off After One Quits/Fired
Date Posted: August 14 2019 at 19:50
A single member. Band name remains.

Doesn't have to be a band - could be a long-time guitarist of a solo artist.

The first name that comes to my mind is Roger Waters, but I'm sure I'll think of others.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 14 2019 at 20:05
The Doors. Does that count?

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Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: August 14 2019 at 22:37
Hawkwind after Lemmy. They at least changed dramatically to lyrics based songs even if many fans still liked them.

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 00:42
Genesis - Hackett 

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 00:42
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The Doors. Does that count?
 

If we are going this route, Area when Stratos passed. 


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 00:57
Hmmm the Yeardbirds --> Led Zeppelin ?

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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 01:55
Deron Miller leaving Cky.

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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 02:22
Pink Floyd without Wright is a much bigger "afterdrop" than Waters for me.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 02:54
Queen without Mercury.
They should have stopped. What they are doing now with Lambert plus the god awful biopic is just lame imo


Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 04:12
Pete Best (!)


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 05:10
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Hmmm the Yeardbirds --> Led Zeppelin ?
 
Which member?


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 05:31
^ I assume Page, but of course Page inherited the Yardbirds name and Zep were 'The New Yardbirds' for a month or two until they became Led Zeppelin.   But you know that.



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Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 07:00
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Genesis - Hackett 


Oh is that when they went pop? I was thinking Phil Collins managed to imitate Peter Gabriel well enough to avoid that cliff edge when he left.

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Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 07:01
Speaking of going commercial, Ultravox! after John Foxx.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 07:27
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Queen without Mercury.
They should have stopped. What they are doing now with Lambert plus the god awful biopic is just lame imo

No doubt. Never even bothered to hear Queen sans Mercury. Of course they were declining before he passed on. 



Here's some more.

Marillion after Fish

Van Halen after David Lee Roth

AC / DC after Bon Scott

Genesis after Peter Gabriel

Gong after Daevid Allen (still good just not as so)

Yes after Chris Squire (end it already!)

Megadeth after Marty Friedman

Iron Maiden after Bruce Dickinson (thankfully he's back)

Alice In Chains after Layne Staley

Red Hot Chili Peppers after John Frusciante



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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 07:46
Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Speaking of going commercial, Ultravox! after John Foxx.
The drop is not that great, as both version is both quite awesome

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 07:49
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Speaking of going commercial, Ultravox! after John Foxx.
The drop is not that great, as both version is both quite awesome

I agree with this one! I love both versions of Ultravox. The synthpop era is some of the best new wave however i do prefer the earlier post-punk overall.


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 08:16
Triumph after Rik Emmett left. They only released one more album and it wasn't very good. Rik gave Triumph some depth and when he left, that depth went with him. 

Spock's Beard after Neal Morse left. SB struggled to find their own voice after Neal left. They finally did but initially it was a pretty big drop off. 

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Alice In Chains after Layne Staley

That one is huge for me. Sure, Cantrell is just as much AiC as Layne was, even more so from a song writing standpoint but losing Layne's voice and that harmony between him and Jerry made the band lesser. The current AiC isn't bad but it just isn't the same anymore.

The Doors were wise to call it quits after Morrison died. Queen should have followed suit. It's just not the same without Mercury. Yeah, Journey found a singer that could mimic Steve Perry pretty well but it wasn't quite right nonetheless. Sometimes you should just stop.  



Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 08:17
The Beatles , after John, Paul, George and Ringo left. Wink


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 08:29
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Queen without Mercury.
They should have stopped. What they are doing now with Lambert plus the god awful biopic is just lame imo


No doubt. Never even bothered to hear Queen sans Mercury. Of course they were declining before he passed on. 



Here's some more.

Marillion after Fish

Van Halen after David Lee Roth

AC / DC after Bon Scott

Genesis after Peter Gabriel

Gong after Daevid Allen (still good just not as so)

Yes after Chris Squire (end it already!)

Megadeth after Marty Friedman

Iron Maiden after Bruce Dickinson (thankfully he's back)

Alice In Chains after Layne Staley

Red Hot Chili Peppers after John Frusciante



I disagree on some of the things you say here.
Queen finished on a high note with Innuendo so no declining imo.
Marillion sans Fish - no decline.
AC/DC maybe a little bit
Megadeth - the last one with Marty was pretty weak
Genesis - a gradual decline rather than a drop.
Maiden? Only brave new world is praise worthy so it is decline.
The last two I agree.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 08:46
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We're not talking about rebounds (those two non Bruce albums are horrible).  Personally i found Innuendo boring. Nothing after The Game really does it for me. Nothing is more tortuous to my ears than Hogarth era Marillion Ouch You're right about Megadeth but they really lost it after he left because of that crap called Risk. You're right about Genesis but still a slight drop.


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 08:54
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Speaking of going commercial, Ultravox! after John Foxx.
The drop is not that great, as both version is both quite awesome


I agree with this one! I love both versions of Ultravox. The synthpop era is some of the best new wave however i do prefer the earlier post-punk overall.
some of those songs like the Voicd are a nice crossover between Post-punk and new wave, the bass and drums is post punk and the synth and vocals are new wave. And many tsongs on Vienna and Rage in Eden are experimentive

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 09:00
^ yeah, Ultravox was a really cool band and one of the rare examples where it worked on both sides of the fence as well as in between transitions. Midge Ure pulled it off quite well.


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 09:24
they Killing Joke, Japan, Tears, the Police for Fears and Nik Kershaw are my favourite 70s transition and 80s artists

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 10:36
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ yeah, Ultravox was a really cool band and one of the rare examples where it worked on both sides of the fence as well as in between transitions. Midge Ure pulled it off quite well.
Midge Ure is a favourite vocalist of mine, hes range is quite good.

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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 11:50
^Ultravox "Hymn" is one of my favorite 80s songs.  They had quite a few other very good to excellent numbers


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 11:51
The Pogues were certainly never the same after Shane left


Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 12:55
I'll also add

Peter Green leaving Fleetwood Mac
Peter Gabriel leaving Genesis
Roger Hodgson leaving Supertramp


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 16:31
Big Brother & Holding Company
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 15 2019 at 16:43
Alice Cooper after the band left.

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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: August 16 2019 at 06:40
Chuck Negron being fired from Three Dog Night due to his heroin use.

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 16 2019 at 15:15
The James Gang
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 16 2019 at 16:22
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Alice Cooper after the band left.
Alice Cooper lost something major when he went solo, the songwriting of Michael Bruce abd the bass- sound of Dennis Dunaway

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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: August 16 2019 at 16:48
Does Yes count? We can probably argue about which member brought about the big drop-off. I want to say Steve Howe, although Downes and Horn left at the same time... but they were both replaced with former members. Maybe some people might say it was when Bruford left, or much later on when the band continued on without Anderson, or maybe Squire's death was the last straw.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 16 2019 at 17:05
I never really cared for the Who after Keith Moon died. Likewise, the same regarding AC/DC after Bon Scott died.

Just musicians leaving, I would say I never cared for the Rolling Stones after Mick Taylor left, and I liked David Bowie less after Mick Ronson took his razor-sharp guitar elsewhere.


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Posted By: Howard the Duck
Date Posted: August 16 2019 at 17:09
Yes - a death by a thousand cuts. So many talented players - and for a while, if one left, they usually could find a pretty decent replacement.

As a hardcore Bruforite, I would say that after he left the rhythm section suffered a massive loss - but some of White's first albums with the band were quite strong, despite being in a different, more straightforward rock style - great moments to be heard on TfTO and Relayer, and he also matched Squire pretty well on Drama by attempting a Peart-lite hard rock style, if you will. You can hear how solid they were even when only the Squire-White-Howe power trio remained in the pre-Drama sessions, just after Anderson and Wakeman left/Horne and Downes joined.

But I think when they kicked out Anderson it was starting to get pretty questionable as to whether or not they could still lay claim to the Yes name, at least at that point, in terms of line-up - even though I actually really enjoy both versions of Fly from Here.

I think Benoit was a stronger singer for that material than Horne even (though I've always respected his songwriting), and for me he brought a more unique sound to the vocals than the Glass Hammer guy, who just sounds super-forced and amateurish to me.

But after Squire died I really think they should have thrown in the towel, especially considering that they still didn't bother to get Anderson to return. If they had wanted to continue on as ... whatever it is they are now... they should have called themselves Steve Howe's Yestacular or something.


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