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Topic: Music for a Renaissance festival
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Music for a Renaissance festival
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 16:55
You have been assigned to be music director for a renaissance festival and have been given a budget that will allow you to book any band you want. It doesn't have to be a prog rock band but it could be. Which of these bands(mostly prog) would you chose? Also, this is hypothetical so the band doesn't have to still be around.



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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 17:06
Haven't voted yet, but am an attendee of RenFests over the years (since 1973) and across the country....Blackmore's Night and The Medeival Babes actually play them from time to time (seen them both there, different fests) and I have heard Jethro Tull songs played there.  The missing one would be The Pentangle, for me, who of course were perfectly suited and have heard songs they helped to bring to the fore played there as well.  Fairport Convention and The Strawbs and/or Dead Can Dance would also be fun.....However, from your list, I will choose Jethro Tull, as they would be pretty fun to hear unplugged, as it were.  And now have voted...

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 17:41
I don't really hear medieval or renaissance in Strawbs or DCD but I guess different ears hear different things. DCD actually does have some of the elements I suppose. I just wasn't thinking of them.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 17:57
Strawbs would definitely have to be more selectively culled, but certainly songs like "The Hangman and the Papist," "Witchwood," "A Glimpse of Heaven," "Queen of Dreams," "The Flower and the Young Man," "Hanging in the Gallery," "Hero & Heroine," all would fit nicely.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 18:47
Ok. Well, not all Jethro Tull would qualify but certainly some would. I'm just not that familiar with the Strawbs I guess. Of what I have heard none of it sounded particularly renaissancey to me but I take your word for it. 


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 18:53
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ok. Well, not all Jethro Tull would qualify but certainly some would. I'm just not that familiar with the Strawbs I guess. Of what I have heard none of it sounded particularly renaissancey to me but I take your word for it. 

My thanks to you, m'lord.  *curtseys*  Big smile

Of course, I am thinking of unplugged everything, although these days, there is (mostly hidden) sound available at large fairs, not so the old days.  And the Northern California faire has an after-hours show with people such as Tempest playing with full on sound systems, etc. , there may be others as well.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 18:57
Ha ha. Well, I did just listen to a  little but but I'm sorry to say I just don't hear it. When I think of renaissance music I think of the different instrumentation or stuff that sounds medieval or like Gentle Giant. Lol. I'll listen to more later but I don't think I will change my mind. I have heard some of their albums and I just don't heart it. Everyone's ears hears different things though and that's ok. 




Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 20:38
I would lke to see GG anywhere. 

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 21:20
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

I would lke to see GG anywhere. 

Ok, but do you think they would be appropriate for a RF?


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 21:53
The question is not what is best or what you like most, but rather what is most appropriate for a renaissance festival. The only valid answer here is Blackmore's Night.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 07 2019 at 23:44
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The question is not what is best or what you like most, but rather what is most appropriate for a renaissance festival. The only valid answer here is Blackmore's Night.

Well, I didn't actually say it that way but it is implied. Obviously you want someone who fits in and I can understand thinking BN would fit in the best.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 01:21
I'm going to go for a band I have seen recently at a festival - Solstice. I thought they were excellent at the New Day festival last year. Strong and powerful.
Other choices I might consider would be Curved Air or Steelye Span. Steelye Span are a perfect festival band and have released some excellent stuff recently. I have a soft spot for the delightful Maddy Prior as well!


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 07:17
GG---they were amazing live band and that music was not easy to play.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 08:49
I agree with GG as well, and woke up this am thinking that I'd not mentioned Steeleye Span....I was thinking in lyrical terms as well as the music, certainly there were many folk songs of the day that were more of the story-telling variety, less of the complexity of the music...One could doubtless hear all kinds of music as there was so much crossing of cultures....however, keep going folks, I do enjoy this topic, obviously.  

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 08:57
Hi,

You must have not gone to one of these like the one in Eugene in the Oregon Country Fair ... the best music there is?

The party with the drum circles, with Micky and on occasion some GD'rs on hand ... and half the audience is dancing around in the buff ... the party is neat and far out and lasts all night!

Of all the bands listed, the only one that might play for 3 or 4 hours or more, would be THE THIRD EAR BAND, who would improvise a lot ... but it still would not beat the huge drum circle ... AND everyone goes to it, not just  a handful of us!

Let's face it ... it is what "getting stoned" used to mean, and it was to be "enjoyed". With all these other bands, the excitement would die after they were done with their hour! Besides the fact that in Oregon, probably none of those would be liked, although one or two bands might do well ... but in general, none of them will ever beat the drum circles ... and that includes Phish and several other bands!


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 09:35
I have not been to the newer Oregon RenFest, nor the Oregon Country Fair (not a Renaissance Festival), I've only lived here (2nd time) for a few years....although I do have friends who play(ed) the OCF, from Middle Eastern musicians to all kinds of other musical acts and know a lot of the New Vaudevillian people from my Santa Cruz days.  The faires across the country vary, depending on who owns/operates the faires and there are very different circuits east and west and all in between for the performers and merchants.  Some have stellar acts from all over the world (Maryland comes to mind) and some have less "period," entertainment than others...some are "hard," sites (with buildings that stay in place), some are "soft," sites, with tents that are pitched until the show is over and everyone moves on to the next one.  

Drum circles are at many of the shows, as are end of show "Pub Sings," kind of like a variety show of the various performers in one spot.  They all have their own character, some make up in spirit for what they lack in other ways...I have gone to faires as a "playtron," (one who dresses in garb, but is not employed by the faire), as a player (under the aegis of the creators of the whole schmugugie, Ron and Phyllis Patterson, who would inspect each person make sure you knew how to speak and were dressed appropriately) and also a merchant for a couple of years.  Just providing my personal faire experience in more detail here.  

I realize this may make me taken less seriously with Prog, however, it's a fun thing to do.  Smile


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 11:16
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

You must have not gone to one of these like the one in Eugene in the Oregon Country Fair ... the best music there is?

The party with the drum circles, with Micky and on occasion some GD'rs on hand ... and half the audience is dancing around in the buff ... the party is neat and far out and lasts all night!

Of all the bands listed, the only one that might play for 3 or 4 hours or more, would be THE THIRD EAR BAND, who would improvise a lot ... but it still would not beat the huge drum circle ... AND everyone goes to it, not just  a handful of us!

Let's face it ... it is what "getting stoned" used to mean, and it was to be "enjoyed". With all these other bands, the excitement would die after they were done with their hour! Besides the fact that in Oregon, probably none of those would be liked, although one or two bands might do well ... but in general, none of them will ever beat the drum circles ... and that includes Phish and several other bands!

Ok, now I know who (probably) voted for the third ear band. LOL


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 11:23
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I have not been to the newer Oregon RenFest, nor the Oregon Country Fair (not a Renaissance Festival), I've only lived here (2nd time) for a few years....although I do have friends who play(ed) the OCF, from Middle Eastern musicians to all kinds of other musical acts and know a lot of the New Vaudevillian people from my Santa Cruz days.  The faires across the country vary, depending on who owns/operates the faires and there are very different circuits east and west and all in between for the performers and merchants.  Some have stellar acts from all over the world (Maryland comes to mind) and some have less "period," entertainment than others...some are "hard," sites (with buildings that stay in place), some are "soft," sites, with tents that are pitched until the show is over and everyone moves on to the next one.  

Drum circles are at many of the shows, as are end of show "Pub Sings," kind of like a variety show of the various performers in one spot.  They all have their own character, some make up in spirit for what they lack in other ways...I have gone to faires as a "playtron," (one who dresses in garb, but is not employed by the faire), as a player (under the aegis of the creators of the whole schmugugie, Ron and Phyllis Patterson, who would inspect each person make sure you knew how to speak and were dressed appropriately) and also a merchant for a couple of years.  Just providing my personal faire experience in more detail here.  

I realize this may make me taken less seriously with Prog, however, it's a fun thing to do.  Smile

It's fine. I actually have only been to one or two RF's. Actually only one that I remember and that was in the late 80's with an old friend who I had a falling out with a long time ago. Lol. But even then(or at least at some point) I think I remember thinking that Gentle Giant's Octopus album would sound appropriate coming from a car speaker in the parking lot and that is the origin of me asking this  question. 

I didn't know they had drum circles at these events. I used to do a drum circle but haven't been to one in several years. There were fun. The ones I went to were at my old church.


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 11:45
Hard choices here. I guess if I'm the director, I could choose more than one, so I would go for all of them if I could afford it.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 12:22
Great answer, Manuel!  Most faires do have several stages....  :D

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 13:43
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Hard choices here. I guess if I'm the director, I could choose more than one, so I would go for all of them if I could afford it.

Sorry, but the budget only allows for one band. Wink


Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: September 08 2019 at 22:45
I am a regular Gentle Giant detractor, but authentic sounding Medieval music is something they do very well, so I would go with them on that basis. The band I personally would enjoy the most would be Tull, but Gentle Giant could do more straight up historical stuff that would be in the spirit of a Ren Festival. The last time I went to one was last summer 2018. They had a fantastic band called Wolgemut. They played Medieval German pieces with percussion and fife. Very good. I bought two of their albums there and got all the band members to sign one.




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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 06:45
Blackmore's Night for starters!


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 07:16
I would add Angelo Branduardi to the lot, even if quite similar to Blackmore's Night (but he started before).
Jansch is passed away, but Pentangle would be another great choice.



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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 08:48
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I am a regular Gentle Giant detractor, but authentic sounding Medieval music is something they do very well, so I would go with them on that basis. The band I personally would enjoy the most would be Tull, but Gentle Giant could do more straight up historical stuff that would be in the spirit of a Ren Festival. The last time I went to one was last summer 2018. They had a fantastic band called Wolgemut. They played Medieval German pieces with percussion and fife. Very good. I bought two of their albums there and got all the band members to sign one.

Saw Wolgemut at the Maryland Festival the year I attended there, they were a LOT of fun.  Also, if you've not heard Faun, they are highly recommended, would make an excellent choice for any Faire.  But neither are prog.


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 10:00
Gryphon would also make a fine band to consider for this....Should also have brought them to the fore when thinking of others that would be fun to see at a Faire.

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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 12:03
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ok. Well, not all Jethro Tull would qualify but certainly some would. I'm just not that familiar with the Strawbs I guess. Of what I have heard none of it sounded particularly renaissancey to me but I take your word for it. 

hmm their stuff is readily available so there is that  Tongue

Dragonfly and From the Witchwood would be faire-appropriate

But I think my choice would be Amazing Blondel, and I voted accordingly, though I suppose they were going more for the Elizabethan sound.  It sounds from another time anyway, at least their first 4 albums, with the 5th album (Blondel) still holding some of that character


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 13:32
Other......
Fairport Convention
Steeleye Span
Trees
Circulus
etc..



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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 14:13
There are many here that I don't know, but from what I do know, Blackmore's Night seems to be the ones that fit the best, and I do would love to see them live. Though, for that matter, I guess I would like to see Corvus Corax even more.


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 14:22
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

There are many here that I don't know, but from what I do know, Blackmore's Night seems to be the ones that fit the best, and I do would love to see them live. Though, for that matter, I guess I would like to see Corvus Corax even more.
  Corvus Corax also plays the Faires from time to time.



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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 16:43
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Other......
Fairport Convention
Steeleye Span
Trees
Circulus
etc..


Was going to say Fairport and Steeleye, certainly. They actually played ballads that would date to the 15th century at least. Add the Silly Sisters (Maddy Prior of Steeleye and June Tabor), who are actually singing 15th century songs in a pre-Tudor mode, like...








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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 17:56
As a long-time though occasional RenFair goer, I have seen a lot of musical groups at the Michigan (Holly, Interlochen, and Castle Farms), Bristol, and Shakopee fairs as well as on YouTube videos. My favorites have been the troubadours, minstrels, religious choral groups, and, of course, the "courtly love" a cappella singers--music as it was intended, sans electricity. 

Though I think German Pagan Folk band, Faun, Katharine Blake's Mediæval Bæbes, Jan Akkerman on lute, Rasmus Fleischer's Vox Vulgaris, or anything former-Faun lead singer Elisabeth Pawelke touches (e.g. Almara) would be my top choices to have from ProgWorld at a RenFest, I would much prefer the crumhorn duo I saw yesterday in Minnesota or the diminutive Elizabethan Church of England singers I used to sit with at the Michigan faire or the Ann Arbor vocal quartet, Anonymous4: their affect and accessibility is more humble and less pretentious. Plus, as mentioned above, they use 0.00% electricity. 

New Jersey band Advent would be awesome, too!


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 09 2019 at 22:12
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I have not been to the newer Oregon RenFest, nor the Oregon Country Fair (not a Renaissance Festival), I've only lived here (2nd time) for a few years....although I do have friends who play(ed) the OCF, from Middle Eastern musicians to all kinds of other musical acts and know a lot of the New Vaudevillian people from my Santa Cruz days. 
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The one in California, south of Oxnard, (can never remember exactly where it was!), I went to twice and the 2nd time as part of our theater group class dressed in complete Elizabethan garb and doing vignettes and pieces of theater ... with a lot of twisted Shakespeare in it ... more like George and Martha get drunk sometimes!

In those two instances, I can not even remember the artists or bands that played there, which ought to tell you my attention span, and I was ALREADY into the European music scene by that time, and a lot of the "local music" stuff was not specifically exciting, though catching Robin Williamson was fun and neat ... and he fits into the the idea really well ... but I think that he would say that he would go to those for a lark and fun, and maybe play a little, but I doubt that he would stick to "hits" and likely only play traditionals, most of which would be labeled "what" when it came to southern California ... which is bad for a band or audience! But he did really well in the folk and bluegrass circles in California ... but not Oregon ... go figure!

By the time I came up here the story about the OCF was already huge and the main attraction for many years, would be the unannounced show by the Grateful Dead ... one member would show up, and then another join in sometime, and there was no rhyme or reason, except to party! I'm not sure that these days, folks can even relate to this at all.

The GD's experimental side and free form essence, was huge, and something that a lot of "progressive" music idolized from the late 60's when many European bands were doing similar things and thanking the West Coast folks for their direction. However, the free form noodling that the GD did, was fun for a lot of these fairs not only because they knew that a song would show up somewhere in the middle of it, but that in between you could go on groovin' and holerin' ... which was one of the attractions of the Fair in the first place!

In this particular manner, I would not pay 10 Cents for any of the bands listed at all ... though I might make an exception to The Third Ear Band, but what is it that they will do ... turn water into wine and wine into water...? If you can get the crowd to sing along it might work, but otherwise, I think most of it would fall flat ... and the listing of well known bands in those fairs, is not specially attractive, although Phish has been listed a couple of times in their day ... but I'm not sure they would be the "perfect" band for the festivals at all, anywhere in America. 

I think I would rather see a FOLK/BLUEGRASS revival in these fairs for the stoned and party fun ... a lot more than any of the folks listed.


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 10 2019 at 19:09
I would start with Gryphon and Motis.

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 02:00
Well, IMHO, Third Ear Band, Gryphon and Gentle Giant's main influences are medieval, and not renaissance stuff (baroque music), so they should be eliminated...
And Renaissance's musical foundations (despite their name) is well past the renaissance era, but purely XIXth & XXth symphonic

In terms of veracity, it's clearly Amazing Blondel (I see my buddy and PF colleague also voted them in ClapHug) that shoould/would win it hands down, but they're so boring Sleepy, that everyone would leave and move to the medieval festival next doorLOL






Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 07:40
"King Henry's Madrigal", an adaptation of Henry VIII's "Pastime With Good Company" (written by the king circa 1509, before his later hobbies of collecting and beheading wives kicked in)....





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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 07:41
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well, IMHO, Third Ear Band, Gryphon and Gentle Giant's main influences are medieval, and not renaissance stuff (baroque music), so they should be eliminated...
And Renaissance's musical foundations (despite their name) is well past the renaissance era, but purely XIXth & XXth symphonic

In terms of veracity, it's clearly Amazing Blondel (I see my buddy and PF colleague also voted them in ClapHug) that shoould/would win it hands down, but they're so boring Sleepy, that everyone would leave and move to the medieval festival next doorLOL

I don't find Amazing Blondel's music boring at all! Plus, the RenFairs I've happened to attend seem to blur the lines with regards to what is fitting to the exact era they're claiming to represent (e.g. Whose Renaissance? 13th Century Italy's? France's with François I/Leonardo in the 1500s? Great Britain's with Edward IV through Elizabeth I?) Plus, I find that the average person has a very difficult time pinpoint particular musical styles to particular eras of history much less countries and composers, so "medieval" versus "Baroque" versus "Elizabethan" could mean Merovingian (do we have any music that we know survives from the early medieval? John of Damascus? Peter Abelard?), Gregorian (von Bingen), Carolingian, Occitan troubadours, the Eleanor of Aquitaine era of courtly music, Dufay and des Prez, Palestrina and Vivaldi, Teleman and Haydn, but who would know? I think we, the listeners, care about the use of period(-sounding) instruments (wood and brass) and pre-Industrial Rev-sounding music. Most Renaissance Fair personel seem to prefer the term "anachronistic" anyway. Thus, any time will do! Today's musician/performers are quite eclectic anyway and rarely show any allegiance to any single composer or single pocket of music, thus they fit into the world of "anachronistic" performers perfectly! 


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 08:58
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well, IMHO, Third Ear Band, Gryphon and Gentle Giant's main influences are medieval, and not renaissance stuff (baroque music), so they should be eliminated...
And Renaissance's musical foundations (despite their name) is well past the renaissance era, but purely XIXth & XXth symphonic

In terms of veracity, it's clearly Amazing Blondel (I see my buddy and PF colleague also voted them in ClapHug) that shoould/would win it hands down, but they're so boring Sleepy, that everyone would leave and move to the medieval festival next doorLOL

I don't find Amazing Blondel's music boring at all! Plus, the RenFairs I've happened to attend seem to blur the lines with regards to what is fitting to the exact era they're claiming to represent (e.g. Whose Renaissance? 13th Century Italy's? France's with François I/Leonardo in the 1500s? Great Britain's with Edward IV through Elizabeth I?) Plus, I find that the average person has a very difficult time pinpoint particular musical styles to particular eras of history much less countries and composers, so "medieval" versus "Baroque" versus "Elizabethan" could mean Merovingian (do we have any music that we know survives from the early medieval? John of Damascus? Peter Abelard?), Gregorian (von Bingen), Carolingian, Occitan troubadours, the Eleanor of Aquitaine era of courtly music, Dufay and des Prez, Palestrina and Vivaldi, Teleman and Haydn, but who would know? I think we, the listeners, care about the use of period(-sounding) instruments (wood and brass) and pre-Industrial Rev-sounding music. Most Renaissance Fair personel seem to prefer the term "anachronistic" anyway. Thus, any time will do! Today's musician/performers are quite eclectic anyway and rarely show any allegiance to any single composer or single pocket of music, thus they fit into the world of "anachronistic" performers perfectly! 
You are absolutely right.....only the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) tries to truly stick to "period correct," in as much as possible with what they do.  And the stretch of time does differ from Faire to Faire and some are more period correct than others, with budgetary and availability of talent playing in mightily.  The original RPF (Renaissance Pleasure Faire) did strive to be period correct, but there have always been asides to modern culture, thanks to the participation of groups like the Firesign Theatre founders.  There are also Medieval and Fantasy Fairs about the country that try for a different approach than the Renaissance Faires.  


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 09:03
Other: Comus.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 09:04
never been to a Renaissance Fair..  perhaps it was seeing Westworld one too many times as a kid and having a few too many fantasies about large buxomed serving wenches...who aim to please... and oh yeah...evil knights..  the old west? Pfff...No problems..  guns brandished by black hats are relatively clean in comparison to broad swords wielded by black plate mailed thugs. Messy sh*t man hahah

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 11:09
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I am a regular Gentle Giant detractor, but authentic sounding Medieval music is something they do very well, so I would go with them on that basis. The band I personally would enjoy the most would be Tull, but Gentle Giant could do more straight up historical stuff that would be in the spirit of a Ren Festival. The last time I went to one was last summer 2018. They had a fantastic band called Wolgemut. They played Medieval German pieces with percussion and fife. Very good. I bought two of their albums there and got all the band members to sign one.


It's so weird to see this ... I would think that GRYPHON would be a much better choice, since they could pretty much play and improvise all night long and even (likely) join some of the theater troops for some more fun in the bits (provided they knew the bits, of course) ... c'mon ...  can't you just see it ... a take on R & J and the music by Gryphon instead of Nino Rota?

As much as I like GG, I tend to think that in the end, they were a bit more song oriented, than they were free form, and the RF stage stuff, is about a lot of freedom ... and many of those bands don't exactly have it. GG's well known for creating DIFFERENT music, which if Gary Green is any indication came off their "just play, and we never wrote anything" which is a great thing, which they obviously perfected into some really good material ... the problem that comes with this TODAY is that we don't like improvisations at the show ... we're there to listen to the hits ... and that means you just killed the RF's show.

The choices in most RF's are not bad, but these days, they are trying to satisfy the wrong crowd ... the OCF has been able to maintain, due to their history, and the private parties ... the Faire closes at like 9PM, and after that it's all private, and the waiting list for that party is about 9 years long! But the great music shows take place in that party, NOT IN THE FAIR ... where the hit makers can play their hour and go home with some money! 

But where the fun is, is when you get many of these folks in the private party, and they just go nuts having fun with anyone else in a stage ... and this is where the OCF has been the best ... just wish there were recordings of it, but they can't be allowed for obvious reasons, though I'm pretty sure there are many bits and pieces all over ... but for my .... why the fudge would you be spending your time with something in your hand to record ... a real party ... you're not enjoying it!




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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 11:59
Gentle Giant if it was possible!

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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 12:49
You said it doesn't have to be prog.. some early Humble Pie stuff, or some of the more acoustic Led Zeppelin stuff(like from their 3rd album). Or some Mozart seems like it might fit the mood. 


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 14 2019 at 13:23
I have heard a RenFest band play an all acoustic version of "Kashmir..."  They did a pretty good job of it, too.  :)

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 15 2019 at 03:42
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well, IMHO, Third Ear Band, Gryphon and Gentle Giant's main influences are medieval, and not renaissance stuff (baroque music), so they should be eliminated...
And Renaissance's musical foundations (despite their name) is well past the renaissance era, but purely XIXth & XXth symphonic

In terms of veracity, it's clearly Amazing Blondel (I see my buddy and PF colleague also voted them in ClapHug) that shoould/would win it hands down, but they're so boring Sleepy, that everyone would leave and move to the medieval festival next doorLOL

I don't find Amazing Blondel's music boring at all! Plus, the RenFairs I've happened to attend seem to blur the lines with regards to what is fitting to the exact era they're claiming to represent (e.g. Whose Renaissance? 13th Century Italy's? France's with François I/Leonardo in the 1500s? Great Britain's with Edward IV through Elizabeth I?) Plus, I find that the average person has a very difficult time pinpoint particular musical styles to particular eras of history much less countries and composers, so "medieval" versus "Baroque" versus "Elizabethan" could mean Merovingian (do we have any music that we know survives from the early medieval? John of Damascus? Peter Abelard?), Gregorian (von Bingen), Carolingian, Occitan troubadours, the Eleanor of Aquitaine era of courtly music, Dufay and des Prez, Palestrina and Vivaldi, Teleman and Haydn, but who would know? I think we, the listeners, care about the use of period(-sounding) instruments (wood and brass) and pre-Industrial Rev-sounding music. Most Renaissance Fair personel seem to prefer the term "anachronistic" anyway. Thus, any time will do! Today's musician/performers are quite eclectic anyway and rarely show any allegiance to any single composer or single pocket of music, thus they fit into the world of "anachronistic" performers perfectly! 
You are absolutely right.....only the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) tries to truly stick to "period correct," in as much as possible with what they do.  And the stretch of time does differ from Faire to Faire and some are more period correct than others, with budgetary and availability of talent playing in mightily.  The original RPF (Renaissance Pleasure Faire) did strive to be period correct, but there have always been asides to modern culture, thanks to the participation of groups like the Firesign Theatre founders.  There are also Medieval and Fantasy Fairs about the country that try for a different approach than the Renaissance Faires.  


Indeed there is probably some recent revisionism about how renaissance was reappraised, but when at school during the 70's (whether in Europe or North Am), we were taught that the Renaissance era really started with the end of the Inquisition and discovery of the new world (both in 1492). The next "age" (Modernism) comes with the French revolution and the period before renaissance was called the upper-middle ages or upper-medieval era, as opposed to the lower/darker middle ages, which followed the fall of the roman empire.





As for these fairs, never been to a renaissance one (though they probably exist around renaissance castles in my area), but medieval fairs are fairly common in my necks of the woods (the more commercial ones being held in city parks, but some of the 'serious ones" are held in medieval castle with kights & armour tournaments), though indeed now are very selective about the music they choose, but it's generally more in the vein of string-instrument troubadour stuff (something Blackmore's Night is maladroitely trying to ape) than the pompous wigs & white-powedered faces and horn-filled music ala Marin Marais.






Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: September 15 2019 at 15:09
I had to smile a bit at this one....I once read a magazine article that was a "slam" on prog-rock, saying that much of the neo-prog sounded like "music you'd hear at a Renaissance festival..." !  

 (I actually did get what the author was saying, and I think it is a symptom of neo-prog artists "trying too hard" to be authentic and English.  I've been guilty of that a bit myself).

Given that, I voted Blackmore, although others would be valid, especially Gryphon.  


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 16 2019 at 13:11
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I have heard a RenFest band play an all acoustic version of "Kashmir..."  They did a pretty good job of it, too.  :)

In the private party side of things, it's all acoustic ... but in the "show" band, during the regular hours it is electrified. At least in the OCF ... I don't remember the one in Southern California (Thousand Oaks or something like it near there!) in the old days.

Thus, the suggestions as to which bands, would change SIGNIFICANTLY between the two ... a hit band would not likely survive in the free form side of things at all ... whereas a folk styled band, or any kind of bluegrass or simplistic designed band, would be just fine ... this is the reason why I think that THE THIRD EAR BAND, would be fine in these places ... their material does not change or make a huge difference either way. Maybe Amazing Blondel, however I have not heard them in so long that they are but a distant memory ... for that matter, the early STRING DRIVEN THING, although the later side of the band is all rock music and not acoustic.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 02 2019 at 14:43
The obvious choice for a renaissance festival would be Renaissance, but my vote goes to Blackmore's Night. Smile


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: July 30 2022 at 08:38
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I had to smile a bit at this one....I once read a magazine article that was a "slam" on prog-rock, saying that much of the neo-prog sounded like "music you'd hear at a Renaissance festival..." !  

 (I actually did get what the author was saying, and I think it is a symptom of neo-prog artists "trying too hard" to be authentic and English.  I've been guilty of that a bit myself).

Given that, I voted Blackmore, although others would be valid, especially Gryphon.  

Having now given Blackmore's Night plenty of listens--throughout their entire discography--a can assert with conviction that they may be the least anachronistic band I've ever heard from this list. Candace Night's voice and lyrics--while beautiful and confident--are neither representative of the musics that I've heard preserved from the mediæval, Renaissance, Baroque era's of history (or music). They make Ritchie's music feel more like modern folk-rock music; there is nothing, aside from Ritchie's solo/instrumental pieces, that remotely "remind" me of pre-Baroque music.



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Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: July 30 2022 at 18:43
Gryphon all the way!


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: July 30 2022 at 20:55
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I had to smile a bit at this one....I once read a magazine article that was a "slam" on prog-rock, saying that much of the neo-prog sounded like "music you'd hear at a Renaissance festival..." !  

 (I actually did get what the author was saying, and I think it is a symptom of neo-prog artists "trying too hard" to be authentic and English.  I've been guilty of that a bit myself).

Given that, I voted Blackmore, although others would be valid, especially Gryphon.  

Having now given Blackmore's Night plenty of listens--throughout their entire discography--a can assert with conviction that they may be the least anachronistic band I've ever heard from this list. Candace Night's voice and lyrics--while beautiful and confident--are neither representative of the musics that I've heard preserved from the mediæval, Renaissance, Baroque era's of history (or music). They make Ritchie's music feel more like modern folk-rock music; there is nothing, aside from Ritchie's solo/instrumental pieces, that remotely "remind" me of pre-Baroque music.

  Having been a Renaissance Faire attendant/participant/vendor since 1973, the Faires have changed a lot.  My first Faires were both the Northern and Southern California Renaissance Pleasure Faires, which were created by Ron and Phyllis Patterson.  They strove to make their Faires as period correct as humanly possible.  I can remember being lined up each morning, for the Patterson's to examine our garb (costumes) and great lengths were taken to teach everyone how to speak correctly.  Many artisans had to demonstrations of their crafts at the booths.  The music was all authentic as possible, with music from other nations also being represented, such as the music for bellydancers and other folk dancers.

With the popularity of these Faires, other enterpreneurs began to create their own versions.  Some are more authentic than others.  Same for the music one might hear at these Faires.  I prefer the more accurate ones to the less accurate ones, as they are how I was introduced.  But even at some of the Faires where there are questionable representation, one can still find gems.  I don't mind if musicians play folkier tunes, for surely there was music in the lanes, as well as in the courts.  We do know of some of these old tunes, many are cautionary tales etc, such as Reynardine or just tell gripping tales of wicked deeds and cuckoldry and the like, some are just bawdy fare. 

That all being said, I do prefer to see instruments of the period (and preceding it, as well), to ones that just don't belong (banjo, yes, I've seen it), or hearing obviously anachronistic ones, such as once hearing Richard Thompson's 1952 Vincent Black Lightning (without changing the lyrics to Black Lightning being, perhaps, a knight's steed, lol).  However, I do find little odd asides from performers that mention current events to be funny, as long as they are subtle.  Anyway, just my take.




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