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Topic: DT, Opeth and Tool
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: DT, Opeth and Tool
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 16:08
When I say prefer I mean which one do you like the best. I'm not sure if they are the big three of prog metal these days but they very well might be. 

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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 16:34
Tool in general sucks

Dream Theater sucks besides two or three awesome albums

Opeth is awesome and has never released a bad album


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 16:38
Not a fan of prog metal but I like some Tool.


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 17:49
DT>>>Tool>>>>>Opeth.

No close calls here.


Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 17:50
Opeth at the top with Tool close behind and DT far behind

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 18:00
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


Opeth is awesome and has never released a bad album

That is your opinion. I don't agree with your statement.






Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 18:01
Haken should have been in this poll.


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 18:33
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


Opeth is awesome and has never released a bad album

That is your opinion. I don't agree with your statement.






Hmmmm, I don’t think they’ve ever made a clear blatant stinker like the other two have, moreso dream theater. Tried listening to black clouds and silver linings earlier and man it was hard to sit through


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 18:48
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


Opeth is awesome and has never released a bad album

That is your opinion. I don't agree with your statement.




Hmmmm, I don’t think they’ve ever made a clear blatant stinker like the other two have, moreso dream theater. Tried listening to black clouds and silver linings earlier and man it was hard to sit through


The Astonishing can be hard to get through, but Black Clouds an Silver Linings is particularly excellent.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 18:49
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Haken should have been in this poll.

Ha ha. You know what? While I don't think they are quite as well known as the other bands in this poll I agree that they should have been included. I just totally forgot. I'm only familiar with affinity which is good(apparently the others are better)but have seen Haken live twice(0 times for Opeth and Tool and once for DT when they opened for Yes). But anyway, yeah stylistically Haken fits right in. I'm not the biggest prog metal fan but all these bands are pretty top notch imo even though Opeth became less metallish later on. 


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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 18:52
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Haken should have been in this poll.


Ha ha. You know what? While I don't think they are quite as well known as the other bands in this poll I agree that they should have been included. I just totally forgot. I'm only familiar with affinity which is good(apparently the others are better)but have seen Haken live twice(0 times for Opeth and Tool and once for DT when they opened for Yes). But anyway, yeah stylistically Haken fits right in. I'm not the biggest prog metal fan but all these bands are pretty top notch imo even though Opeth became less metallish later on. 



The Mountain is also excellent. I need to explore more of their catalog.


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 19:03
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


Opeth is awesome and has never released a bad album

That is your opinion. I don't agree with your statement.




Hmmmm, I don’t think they’ve ever made a clear blatant stinker like the other two have, moreso dream theater. Tried listening to black clouds and silver linings earlier and man it was hard to sit through


The Astonishing can be hard to get through, but Black Clouds an Silver Linings is particularly excellent.


I haven’t touched that one yet but I’ve heard, I’m not sure what it is for me exactly on BC&SL. Cringe worthy lyrics, generic dream theater w**kery. It feels like they’ve become a generic prog metal band and lost their charm that got me into them in the first place, luckily they have a loyal fan base. Opeth however has never disappointed me.


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 19:49
Doug, do you like the growling vocals Opeth?


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: October 28 2019 at 19:51
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Doug, do you like the growling vocals Opeth?


Yes, but I like the soft vocals as well


Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 00:16
Dream Theater and Opeth are both awesome. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 00:54
Dream Theater because of a small handful of albums although they have lower moments than the other 2 bands.


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 02:56
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

DT>>>Tool>>>>>Opeth.

No close calls here.

Opeth>>>>Tool>>>>DT


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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 06:20
Tool for me

but all 3 are pretty good


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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 06:27
Tool > Opeth >>>>>>>> DT

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 07:24
Dream Theater Liked them in the 90s for a handful of songs when I was exposed to little else in the genre.
Tool Always found them to be thin and tiresome.
Opeth
Though admittedly most of the material prior to Watershed was less than appealing to me. Their recent endeavors have been great.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 07:53
Tool
Opeth
DT

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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 07:56
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


Opeth is awesome and has never released a bad album

That is your opinion. I don't agree with your statement.




Hmmmm, I don’t think they’ve ever made a clear blatant stinker like the other two have, moreso dream theater. Tried listening to black clouds and silver linings earlier and man it was hard to sit through


The Astonishing can be hard to get through, but Black Clouds an Silver Linings is particularly excellent.

+1

DT all the way for me here


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 08:55
Opeth by far. 


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 08:59
Tool, no contest. Also not a prog metal fan.

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 11:21
Continuing my anti-prog metal phase, I voted none of them. Opeth has not grabbed me in any way yet. I am burned out on Dream Theater. Tool has its moments but I am generally underwhelmed. As usual, I have to qualify that by the fact I admire the technical abilities of these artists and I can get into the genre every now and then. Maybe I have mellowed with age (but then again I am enjoying Generation X at the moment).

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 11:59
Opeth 

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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 16:29
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Dream Theater Liked them in the 90s for a handful of songs when I was exposed to little else in the genre.
Tool Always found them to be thin and tiresome.
Opeth
Though admittedly most of the material prior to Watershed was less than appealing to me. Their recent endeavors have been great.


I fully agree!


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 16:38
cool poll, i as of now, gravitates in style mostly towards Tool, as they also apeals to me in same mannor as bands like Neurosis, Soundgarden, Deftones, Janes Addiction, the mesh between prog and alternative music, the only Dream Theater albums i can hear for the moment and enjoy are Kevin Moore based lineup. And Opeth i must  be in mood for, but i can listen to more albums by Opeth than Dream Theater. 

So Tool it is. 


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 23:18
Dream Theater easily.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 29 2019 at 23:20
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Haken should have been in this poll.


Ha ha. You know what? While I don't think they are quite as well known as the other bands in this poll I agree that they should have been included. I just totally forgot. I'm only familiar with affinity which is good(apparently the others are better)but have seen Haken live twice(0 times for Opeth and Tool and once for DT when they opened for Yes). But anyway, yeah stylistically Haken fits right in. I'm not the biggest prog metal fan but all these bands are pretty top notch imo even though Opeth became less metallish later on. 



The Mountain is also excellent. I need to explore more of their catalog.


For me, Haken is in a different period already. The new generation.


Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: October 30 2019 at 05:57
Dream Theater > Opeth

I don't like Tool

Edit: I think Opeth had more time-sig changes, solos and moments of fury mixed with calm when they played death metal. Soft Opeth is just...soft, with little to no in-track variation. There's no ups and downs or the crazy stuff you might find in Genesis, Caravan, Camel, Yes, KC etc. They became rather bland.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 30 2019 at 08:44
Since I'm not into prog metal, I took the last option. However, I'ver heard some of the music from these three bands, trying to get into their musc, and I would say probably Opeth is the only one I could possibly try again. 


Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: October 30 2019 at 12:46
Tool with miles in front of Opeth with several lightyears in front of DT

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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: October 30 2019 at 14:57
Not my thing. Metal is Metal. Prog is Prog.

But it's all good. 

 Portnoy era DT was pretty cool, I guess...


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 30 2019 at 18:18
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Not my thing. Metal is Metal. Prog is Prog.

But it's all good. 

 Portnoy era DT was pretty cool, I guess...

So you you think prog metal is part of metal and not prog?


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Posted By: thief
Date Posted: October 31 2019 at 00:56
Opeth > Dream Theater >>> Tool


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 06:33
Dream Theater

I enjoy the Moore era of the band more than anything those other bands did.

Specific albums from these bands in a poll would make for much interesting discussion.


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 10:23
Not really a Prog Metal fan but I do find Tool and Opeth interesting. Not the case for DT.

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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 02:59
Easy. Opeth.

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Posted By: Foxprog
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 09:22
Opeth easily, Tool and DT are less innovative when it comes making compositions.


Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: February 04 2020 at 02:40
Dream Theater I really like, Opeth I sort of like and Tool I don't like much though I've tried real hard to get into them ... it never happened Disapprove


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 15 2020 at 09:54
Tool 
Dream Theater 
Opeth I don`t like I have really tried to get into them but NO!!!! 


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Posted By: thief
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 05:46
Opeth > Dream Theater > Tool

Not sure where the gap is wider, but Opeth is so, so brilliant


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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 06:38
Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Opeth > Dream Theater > Tool

Not sure where the gap is wider, but Opeth is so, so brilliant

They stand similarly in my book also.


Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 09:00
1 - Opeth i really like all the albums, my favorites are "Still Life" and "Blackwater Park"
2 - Tool, love "Aenima" and "Lateralus", "Undertown" and "Opiate" are good albums and "10000 days" and "Fear Inoculum" average albums
3 - Dream Theater, only like "I&W" and "Awake", post kevin Moore find them boring to hell


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 09:16
I'm a fan of Opeth, I have quite a few of their albums.

I have 2 Tool albums  - Lateralus and 10K Days.

I have owned some DT CDs but they haven't really grabbed me and I've never recovered from their version of Xanadu.


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 10 2020 at 10:02
Metal is not a sub- that I seek out--I have to force myself to listen to it. But, I do try--especially based upon other "prog lovers'" suggestions. There have been albums and bands that I have been impressed by--Tool, Opeth, and Dream Theater being among them--but also some of the stuff by Savatage, Angra, Agalloch, Green Carnation, Toby Driver projects, Into the Woods, and Devy Townsend. I don't like it all--and I don't reach out for any of them when I want to hear "music that I like"--it's more of a intellectual stimulus: for the challenge of trying to find beauty within chaos and cacophony. 

The three bands of this poll (and the many offshoot albums and projects from solo and outside collaborations by members and former members) are always interesting.
  


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Posted By: candalua
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 01:26
Tool!!
But for some reason I cannot vote


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 09:44
None..not a fan of 'prog metal'....as heavy as I get is some Sabbath, Rush, Maiden, and PT...
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Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: November 11 2020 at 10:48
I think I came across Dream Theater first and listened to their stuff for some time, but the interest faded and now it's mostly for nostalgia if I put something on. Never been a fan of LaBrie's vocals.

Tool is also something I found relatively early in my prog era and took some time to get into, but once I was there, it's been one of my favorite bands. I have lost some interest in prog metal, so they don't get too much playtime these days, though Fear Innoculum brought a spark back.

Opeth is my favorite of the three. By miles on Dream Theater and significantly on Tool. I love their sound, changes from heavy to soft parts, growling and clean vocals. I've listened to their later albums a lot, but the favorites are still from the growling era.



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