Steve Vai - classical/avant-garde
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Topic: Steve Vai - classical/avant-garde
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: Steve Vai - classical/avant-garde
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 19:19
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Here's something I found on Vai's homepage: Steve Vai - The Aching Hunger - an Interview with Co de Kloet, who composed and arranged this classical/avant-garde interpretation of Vai's songs, and Steve Vai himself. You can download it - it's free: http://www.vai.com/achinghunger/cdkint.html - http://www.vai.com/achinghunger/cdkint.html It's a 40 minute long radio excerpt - basically it's an interview, but with lengthy - and very interesting - music excerpts from the live performance of The Aching Hunger with the Metropole Orkest. It's about 75% music, and 25% interview. I'd appreciate your feedback - what do you think about Vai's music in the context of classical and avant-garde? Please don't reply when you haven't heard that excerpt. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 19:33
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I think it fits pretty well. Besides, he was influenced by Frank Zappa and still, he play on the album "Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar" and its sucessor. But, what do you think about Vai's Prog Related label on the archives right now? Don't you think it should stay on Jazz Rock / Fusion, just where it was before??? How do rate Paul Gilbert's work. Do you think it will fit well under Jazz Rock/Fusion. I know that he sounds more like hard rock. Besides, he comes from a Hard Rock band (Mr. Big). He formed a band called Racer X and heard that the sound is kind of progressive metal. What do you think about that??? ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 19:59
His early albums are Avant-Garde. The 90s stuff (P&W, S&R, FG) is guitar rock (shred) stuff which has a lot of Jazz/Fusion leanings ... and the 2000s stuff is more Avant-Garde again. For now I don't care what genre he's in ... Putting him back in Jazz/Fusion will only cause all kind of below the belt accusations.
That's a difficult call ... I wouldn't include any Gilbert album in the archives ... maybe the Racer X stuff, which I don't like too much, haven't heard extensively and can't say something definite about it. But the Mr. Big albums are plain Hard Rock, and his solo albums are even more "plain". I have them and love every song, but it's far from prog. BTW: Check out the Yellow Matter Custard DVD - Portnoy, Bisonette, Gilbert and Mores! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:40
Yeah! I think you're right. I haven't purchased anything from Gilbert yet (except Technical Difficulties from Racer X and Get Over It from Mr. Big), but I listenned to a few samples and I totally agree that he is more hard rock than anything else, but the title track from Burning Organ is pure jazzy instrumental (fusion). That gave me the feeling he could be on the fusion side, but still not sure. I'll check out the Yellow Matter Custard DVD. I saw it is drums related. Seems pretty cool to me. Thanks for it... ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 01:17
| The question is... how much is Steve Vai, andd how much is influenced by his work wiith Frank Zappa? |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:12
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Hello, here I am. I see , now Vai become avant garde guitarist If you are going further listen or ask someone what avant garde mean, and who can be named avant garde guitarist. For example: Fred Frith - from Henry Cow is an exellent example Robert Wayatt - from early Soft Machine Trevor Dunn, John Zorn (with all other instruments), Trey Spruance, Henry Caiser ........ |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:25
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^ please don't patronize me, pero. I know much more about Avant-Garde than you think. Did you listen to the mp3? Please do so and tell me what you think about the performance. You know many Avant-Garde artists, I'd appreciate your feedback. And please don't think that you know all about Vai and therefore don't need to listen to it. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:27
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I have got one Steve Vai album and that was very awfull containing a mere two songs that where listenable...The rest filled with horrible techno backing tracks where steve would improvise something and sing sume vocals that reminds me of some of them boyzone guys...That album frankly was the reason why i have not bought any steve vai records ever again. Anyway he is great live tho just as joe satriani is great live but crap on most studio releases ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:28
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And why do you got only 26 posts Mikeenregalia? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:28
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I wonder which album it was ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:29
the ULTRA zone ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:34
Maybe it was too Avant-Garde for you But there is NO techno whatsoever on that album, and NOTHING even close to boyzone. But I agree that some of the songs where he sings are a bit cheesy. But there are also some brilliant ones. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:36
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Oh no ... it's happened again. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:40
check it out he lists a series of cd's wich he just samples everything's on and then plays guitar over it...and there are too few really cool guitar songs with nice solos...i think Jiboom or whatever the name is pretty cool but the rest is just drowning in some dreadful asian themes and chessy ballads like Ill be around. I also thinks that there are too few tracks on where it is used proper instruments instead of horrible electric drums...and i love avant-garde music ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:41
^ check out is Flexable albums (there are samples in the archives). Tell me what you think about them - and the excerpt which I linked to in the first post. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:43
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Yea well as long as it is REAL instruments on the cd...thats basically also why STEVE VAI and SATCH sounds so much better live than they do on record where the music tend to get a bit too "electronica inspired to me" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:51
I've seen him live on the "Ultra World" tour and he played many songs from the Ultra Zone ... there were only very few samples and of course no drum loop or anything like that. The album is far from electronic/house. BTW: Tangerine Dream also used electronica a lot and nobody seems to mind. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 04:52
ah i love tangerine dream...i guess it is the old synths and stuff that i like...but the 80s and 90s stuffi cant stand ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:00
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^ Then don't blame it on Vai. Listen to the excerpt ... it was performed by a full orchestra + band, it's really amazing. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:04
Nah i dont like that vai, in several of the songs is just using sample cd's and i just improvising some guitar licks over that...you dont have to be awfully clever to do that... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:13
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:16
he is using them in SEVERAL songs + he is using stuff from about 20 cd's or something. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 05:26
And you wonder why he called it the "Ultra Zone"? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 06:00
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I'm listening to it now....sounds great! And sampling CD's doesn't make something " Techno" Paul Gilbert does do covers of prog songs though! Right that 3 things covered! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: gulliman
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 07:02
You really should widen your horizons, so to speak, maidenrulez. I always wonder why most people listen to music "clothes" only? If something sounds "too different" they are all up to bash the thing. Why not to try a bit and listen closely to actual notes, how they are constructed/performed? With good music there are a LOT of goodies to discover under its "clothes". (By "clothes" I mean "arrangements" that usually dictate the style) And no, Vai is not AVANT in my book. The fact that he is so diverse doesn't make him avant in any way. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 07:38
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You should listen to the excerpt gullivan ... especially for Vai fans this is VERY rewarding. To hear Vai songs from Flexable to the Ultra Zone performed by a full orchestra, arranged by a real professional (van Kloet) ... A W E S O M E. My personal highlight is the piano rendition of "The God Eaters" right at the beginning of the excerpt. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 27 2005 at 10:14
I read about two years ago, that Mike Keneally (who replace Vai in Zappa's band as stunt guitarist) was transcribing Vai for the grande piano - did that album ever get released?
And I repeat: check out Vai's guest appearance on Surinder Sandhu's Saurang Orchestra album; it's a joy to hear him working with British jazz saxophonist Andy Sheppard, in some Indo jazz fusion pieces. http://www.resonator-records.com/surinder/records.html - http://www.resonator-records.com/surinder/records.html
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Posted By: gulliman
Date Posted: September 28 2005 at 07:52
Yes, it is released. The info must be on Vai's site... http://www.vai.com/ - http://www.vai.com/
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