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Topic: Albums in the top 20 you rate less than 4 stars
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Subject: Albums in the top 20 you rate less than 4 stars
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 16:00
While I generally like all of our top 20 albums, thereís a few I donít care for as much, but my rating is not to say they donít belong in their spot.

Thick as a Brick (3 Stars)

I know itís a seemingly universally loved album, itís just never done much for me and I find myself bored by the end.

Larks Tongues In Aspic (3 Stars)

It is very solid, but a bit uneven unlike Court and Red where I think they really nail the song structure. Larks is more jammy which I understand the appeal of

Fragile (3 stars)

Itís just a bit too all over the place for me, and heart of the sunrise doesnít appeal to me. I prefer the yes album and the 3 that follow it much more.

Thatís it for me

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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 16:17
Animals. It and The Wall are overrated Floyd.

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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 16:18
most of them


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 16:46
Hmm let's see. I love VDGG but for some reason I can't get into Godbluff. VDGG have four or five albums on which I find every single song better than every song on Godbluff. Don't know why that one is so popular. Fragile. Moving Pictures, but then I'm not a Rush fan and have only listened to that album once, not enough for a rating. Hybris didn't get me in two attempts.


Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 18:14
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Hmm let's see. I love VDGG but for some reason I can't get into Godbluff. VDGG have four or five albums on which I find every single song better than every song on Godbluff. Don't know why that one is so popular. Fragile. Moving Pictures, but then I'm not a Rush fan and have only listened to that album once, not enough for a rating. Hybris didn't get me in two attempts.

I agree with you on Godbluff.
I consider it a great album but not so great as The Least, From H to He and Pawn Hearts.

In my opinion it is in a better position because it is a simpler, and more accessible than the previous, more linear, less cacophonous.


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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 18:18
Three stars?

Surely, in my personal ranking, 

- Thick As a Brick

- Nursery Crime

- Mirage


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 18:30
Canít say I agree on Godbluff, def 5 stars in my book. But I do like still life perhaps a hair more.

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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 18:36
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Canít say I agree on Godbluff, def 5 stars in my book. But I do like still life perhaps a hair more.

Godbluff gets 5 stars even for me but....

The Least
From H to He
Pawn Hearts

they are on my top: 10/10... how can I say? Absolute masterpieces of rock music,  Six strars /Five stars! Big smile

Godbluff 9/10, a mini masterpiece of prog music!


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 18:42
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Canít say I agree on Godbluff, def 5 stars in my book. But I do like still life perhaps a hair more.


Godbluff gets 5 stars even for me but....

The Least
From H to He
Pawn Hearts

they are on my top: 10/10... how can I say? Absolute masterpieces of rock music,† Six strars /Five stars!†Big smile

Godbluff 9/10, a mini masterpiece of prog music!


All are excellent albums and all get 5 from me too, I give 9/10 to the earlier two and 10/10 to the later two.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 20:02
Almost all are fine with me, but I would like to see some Rush in there.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 02 2019 at 23:53
There are certainly some that would be 3.5 stars in my book but the rest are fine
Dark Side of the Moon
Selling England By The Pound
In The Court of the Crimson King

ITCOTCK is important for historical reasons and has great songs but the production is horrible and it hasn't aged well.
DSOTM is a commercial AOR album with some neat electronics admittedly
SEBTP has my least favourite long track by a major band The Battle of Epping of Forest. A lot of bollocks really. Also a bit bored with some of the other stuff I Know What I Like and even Cinema Show lacks a punchy ending. I get the love for it though because it used to be my favourite album a long time ago.
None of them of bad of course and there are other albums by these bands I adore.


Posted By: friso
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 02:31
I'm not that great a fan of Pink Floyd after 'Live at Pompeii' and Yes in general. These albums listed below are still mandatory listens, so I hold no grudge against them appearing so high in this list. Just not my cup of tea really. Of these albums, which I all owned at one point, I only have a vinyl of Dark Side of the Moon for audiophile listening bliss.

Close to the Edge
Selling England by the Pound (though the first side is lovely)
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
Animals
Fragile
Relayer

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 03:02
less than StarStarStarStar?
 
Then I guess that Fragile would be the first one, but from Camel downwards until Hybris, most of them would be between 3.5 and 4
 
 
BTW, it tool me a few minutes top discover where these top lists had been migrated to (they used to be on the front pages a few years back)... i guess it shows how much I care for them lists.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 04:02
I would personally rate Thick as a Brick 3 stars, but the rest are worthy of 4 stars+ IMO.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 04:04
I'm not sure what good a thread like this accomplishes. I'm not doing the old man ranting at the clouds but just wondering. We certainly can't like everything. I do think that we have to acknowledge that certain music that we find unappealing has the opposite effect on other people. I find A Passion Play quite boring but I do agree that many prog fans like it and derive a high level of enjoyment from listening to it. More power to them. Life holds enough lemons for people at times and if that album makes their day then we should just be happy for them. End of rant.

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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 04:11
I don't think I can see any point in this anymore. I hate rating albums with a numeric score.

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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 06:15
CTTE


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 06:24
Fragile


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 07:02
Less than four stars? No can do! Less than four stars to me means that it's just average music, average prog, which means quite disappointing and demeaning. 

14 of them do not earn five stars in my estimation, and Mirage, and Larks' Tongues may be wavering on the brink, but I think they're all up there (in the Top 20) for understandable reasons.


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 07:19
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Less than four stars? No can do! Less than four stars to me means that it's just average music, average prog, which means quite disappointing and demeaning. 

The description of 3 stars is "good but not essential", which means good! If it's average and disappointing I'd give it 2 at most.


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 07:33
There are only 26 albums in the PA top 100 that are recorded after 1980. That should change, as current music is better or equal to ancient music.

In the Court of the Crimson King is the worst of the 20. The first and last tune are excellent, the other three are dreadful and boring. Never knew why it was in the top 100. Because of its age?

Larks' Tongues in Aspic has a lot of filler... The Talking Drum and LT&A Part one 

Per Un Amico

Moonmadness never a big fan of Camel, I prefer Mirage which is worthy of four stars. Camel should not have two in the top twenty. There are far better bands that deserve a spot.

Relayer

Hybris






Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 07:47
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Almost all are fine with me, but I would like to see some Rush in there.
Moving Pictures made the top twenty. Rush has four albums in the top 100, but not 2112 seriously? 


Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 08:24
I think PA's Top 20 is pretty much spot on. I'd obviously argue for Tales From Topographic Oceans inclusion but all 20 in that upper tier deserve to be there. All receive 5 stars from me!!!

Least favorite? Dark Side Of The Moon. But it still deserves 5 stars.


Posted By: emisan
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 08:41
For me, Larks' Tongues In Aspic is the only 3 star album in top 50 PA, but maybe that's because after 10 years of intense study on prog rock, I think that King Crimson are overrated.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 08:46
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

While I generally like all of our top 20 albums, thereís a few I donít care for as much, but my rating is not to say they donít belong in their spot.

Thick as a Brick (3 Stars)

I know itís a seemingly universally loved album, itís just never done much for me and I find myself bored by the end.

Larks Tongues In Aspic (3 Stars)

It is very solid, but a bit uneven unlike Court and Red where I think they really nail the song structure. Larks is more jammy which I understand the appeal of

Fragile (3 stars)

Itís just a bit too all over the place for me, and heart of the sunrise doesnít appeal to me. I prefer the yes album and the 3 that follow it much more.

Thatís it for me

Hybris.  And, also, there are easily plenty other great albums to fill that 20th spot. It has neither the quality nor the influence or impact on the genre to occupy that place, but that's JMO.


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 09:58
Wish You Were Here 3* Don't like Have a Cigar and Shine on you Crazy Diamond is inconsistent.
ITCOFCK 3* Bought it soon after its release, thought it was brilliant but now bored of it. Epitaph and the title track are great, C20th SM is brilliant musically but I don't enjoy it much now. Moonchild stinks.
Red 3* Great musicians do not guarantee great music. 
Godbluff 2.5* Don't like Peter Hamill's vocals. End of.
Fragile 3.5* Some of the solo pieces really suck, but the ensemble pieces are great.
Pawn Hearts 2* As for Godbluff.
LTIA 2.5* Meh.
Most of the rest are 5* albums except CTTE, TAAB and Per |Un Amico, which are 4*.


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 10:07
None of them I would rate less than four stars. 

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 10:11
Probably only Fragile, I only like South Side Of The Sky & Heart Of The Sunshine, half a good album does not 4 stars make.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 11:39
^ Omg, this may be prog sacrilege. LOL

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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 11:55
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

CTTE

Agreed.


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 12:25
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There are certainly some that would be 3.5 stars in my book but the rest are fine
Dark Side of the Moon
Selling England By The Pound
In The Court of the Crimson King

ITCOTCK is important for historical reasons and has great songs but the production is horrible and it hasn't aged well.
DSOTM is a commercial AOR album with some neat electronics admittedly
SEBTP has my least favourite long track by a major band The Battle of Epping of Forest. A lot of bollocks really. Also a bit bored with some of the other stuff I Know What I Like and even Cinema Show lacks a punchy ending. I get the love for it though because it used to be my favourite album a long time ago.
None of them of bad of course and there are other albums by these bands I adore.



So youíre saying dark side of the moon is in the same category as Styx, REO speedwagon and Boston? And how is Court horribly produced? Itís one of the best sounding albums in my collection. Iím not arguing your ratings but your reasoning seems off.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 13:58
"SEBTP has my least favourite long track by a major band The Battle of Epping of Forest. A lot of bollocks really"

Lyrically, it's one of the cleverest pieces of music ever written, but unless you come from the East End, you might not understand how funny it is.
It's loosely based on a true story. In my youth, two gangs of East End hoodlums had a huge scrap over the protection rights in a part of the East End somewhere near Brentwood (which is not actually in Epping Forest). I was living in the area whilst doing my D Phil at Imperial and I remember dozens of black police cars heading out to stop the carnage.
Lots of the jokes are based on Cockney Rhyming slang (eg old fashioned Staffordshire Plate = mas****ate) and if you don't know it, you won't get it.



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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 14:10
Rating can indeed be tricky...but I think all of the top 20 deserve 4 stars and more.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 15:23
LTIA and Red are just below 4 stars. Itchycock is still on the right side of the line.
I'm not familiar with Hybris. Another album by the same band, Viljans ÷ga, is a 4- in my book.


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 15:55
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm not sure what good a thread like this accomplishes. I'm not doing the old man ranting at the clouds but just wondering. We certainly can't like everything. I do think that we have to acknowledge that certain music that we find unappealing has the opposite effect on other people. I find A Passion Play quite boring but I do agree that many prog fans like it and derive a high level of enjoyment from listening to it. More power to them. Life holds enough lemons for people at times and if that album makes their day then we should just be happy for them. End of rant.
Great point. I agree with you.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 16:10
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Hmm let's see. I love VDGG but for some reason I can't get into Godbluff. VDGG have four or five albums on which I find every single song better than every song on Godbluff. Don't know why that one is so popular. Fragile. Moving Pictures, but then I'm not a Rush fan and have only listened to that album once, not enough for a rating. Hybris didn't get me in two attempts.

I agree with you on Godbluff.
I consider it a great album but not so great as The Least, From H to He and Pawn Hearts.

In my opinion it is in a better position because it is a simpler, and more accessible than the previous, more linear, less cacophonous.

Just read your review of Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome. Actually that's one of those in my view with every song better than every one on Godbluff. I needed a few spins to get into it but since then it's one of my all time favourites. You don't like it that much, fair enough. I do realise that I have a minority view on that album. Wink


Posted By: patrickq
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 19:00
In the Court, Nursery Cryme, and Per Un Amico are three-star albums to me. Iíve never heard Hybris, which is among the six Top-20 LPs I havenít yet rated. Of the other five, Iíll probably end up rating  Dark Side and Larkís Tongues three each: good, but not essential.   


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: December 03 2019 at 22:17
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I don't think I can see any point in this anymore. I hate rating albums with a numeric score.

I agree-- and give your comment 4 stars.LOL


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 04 2019 at 00:07
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There are certainly some that would be 3.5 stars in my book but the rest are fine
Dark Side of the Moon
Selling England By The Pound
In The Court of the Crimson King

ITCOTCK is important for historical reasons and has great songs but the production is horrible and it hasn't aged well.
DSOTM is a commercial AOR album with some neat electronics admittedly
SEBTP has my least favourite long track by a major band The Battle of Epping of Forest. A lot of bollocks really. Also a bit bored with some of the other stuff I Know What I Like and even Cinema Show lacks a punchy ending. I get the love for it though because it used to be my favourite album a long time ago.
None of them of bad of course and there are other albums by these bands I adore.



So youíre saying dark side of the moon is in the same category as Styx, REO speedwagon and Boston? And how is Court horribly produced? Itís one of the best sounding albums in my collection. Iím not arguing your ratings but your reasoning seems off.
 

I would rather listen to Boston's debut than DSOTM but I suppose comparing it with REO (total crap) might be a stretch. It's good AOR just not great prog imo.
What type of production you enjoy is a bit subjective but I hate the drum sound totally and it doesn't feel big enough. I prefer the punchier sound of ITWOP although it's a weaker album.



Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 04 2019 at 01:57
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There are certainly some that would be 3.5 stars in my book but the rest are fine
Dark Side of the Moon
Selling England By The Pound
In The Court of the Crimson King

ITCOTCK is important for historical reasons and has great songs but the production is horrible and it hasn't aged well.
DSOTM is a commercial AOR album with some neat electronics admittedly
SEBTP has my least favourite long track by a major band The Battle of Epping of Forest. A lot of bollocks really. Also a bit bored with some of the other stuff I Know What I Like and even Cinema Show lacks a punchy ending. I get the love for it though because it used to be my favourite album a long time ago.
None of them of bad of course and there are other albums by these bands I adore.



So youíre saying dark side of the moon is in the same category as Styx, REO speedwagon and Boston? And how is Court horribly produced? Itís one of the best sounding albums in my collection. Iím not arguing your ratings but your reasoning seems off.

I would rather listen to Boston's debut than DSOTM but I suppose comparing it with REO (total crap) might be a stretch. It's good AOR just not great prog imo.
What type of production you enjoy is a bit subjective but I hate the drum sound totally and it doesn't feel big enough. I prefer the punchier sound of ITWOP although it's a weaker album.



I have to disagree regarding DSOTM. It'c classic prog IMO, and certainly no less prog than Meddle or WYWH.

However, I do agree regarding KC and the production of the debut. I think the material on ITWOP is as good as the debut though.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 05 2019 at 10:46
SEBTP (barely 3 IMO)
Relayer (Between 3 and 4)


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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: December 05 2019 at 11:08
For Me it would be:

  ITCOTCC,( Love Schizoid Man , not crazy about the rest of the album)
  Godbluff & Pawn Hearts (Sorry,  I could never get in to VDGG)
  Relayer ( Has moments but not my favorite Yes album) 

I haven't heard much of the Wobbler album or PFM but the stuff I have heard I liked. 


Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: December 05 2019 at 15:09
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Hmm let's see. I love VDGG but for some reason I can't get into Godbluff. VDGG have four or five albums on which I find every single song better than every song on Godbluff. Don't know why that one is so popular. Fragile. Moving Pictures, but then I'm not a Rush fan and have only listened to that album once, not enough for a rating. Hybris didn't get me in two attempts.

I agree with you on Godbluff.
I consider it a great album but not so great as The Least, From H to He and Pawn Hearts.

In my opinion it is in a better position because it is a simpler, and more accessible than the previous, more linear, less cacophonous.

Just read your review of Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome. Actually that's one of those in my view with every song better than every one on Godbluff. I needed a few spins to get into it but since then it's one of my all time favourites. You don't like it that much, fair enough. I do realise that I have a minority view on that album. Wink

Wow, One of your all time favourites...

QZ/PD has got the sound and the singing better than the previous three but, in my opinion, the quality of the songs included in Godbluff is better.

For my tastes, Scorched Earth and Arrow are very very good, much better than QZ/PD's songs (except Cat's Eye)


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Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: December 06 2019 at 08:49
Well, this will make me popular.  

Selling England.  

 I just could never really get excited by this album, and it's probably my least favourite of the Gabriel-era Genesis albums, with the exception of the first one.




Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 06 2019 at 08:52
Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Well, this will make me popular.  

Selling England.  

 I just could never really get excited by this album, and it's probably my least favourite of the Gabriel-era Genesis albums, with the exception of the first one.


You are only the second. I've mentioned it already Big smile


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 06 2019 at 09:13

I've taken some time to collect the mentioned albums like it was a poll (I'm listening to Le Grand Sbam, so don't be surpried if I do something crazy...)

There are 21 titles instead of 20, maybe there has been a change during the thread.

From the most hated:

Fragile 7
Larks Tongues In Aspic 5
In The Court Of The Crimson King 5
Godbluff 4
The Dark Side Of The Moon 4
Selling England By The Pound 4
Relayer 4
Thick as a Brick 3
Hybris 3 
Close To The Edge 3
Animals 2
Nursery Cryme 2
Wish You Were Here 2
A Passion Play 2
Per Un Amico 2
Red 2
Pawn Hearts 2
Moonmadness
The Wall
Moving Pictures
Mirage


So there's not a single album which is unanimously rated above 4 stars in the top 20.
It's a strange world LOL


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 07 2019 at 01:05
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Well, this will make me popular.  

Selling England.  

 I just could never really get excited by this album, and it's probably my least favourite of the Gabriel-era Genesis albums, with the exception of the first one.


You are only the second. I've mentioned it already Big smile
 

and I'm chopped liver apparently


Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 07 2019 at 03:27
I don't know about stars - don't really like the idea of a number, but besides the few i don't know good enough to give a full description I'd say all those albums deserve a pretty good review.    

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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: December 07 2019 at 16:41
Just Godbluff.

All others, including thos some find fashionable to disparage, are easily and indisputably worth at least4 stars.


Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: December 08 2019 at 11:05
Rush: less than 3 stars!!!



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