Genesis: Seconds Out.
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Topic: Genesis: Seconds Out.
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Genesis: Seconds Out.
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 06:43
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This album, to my mind, cemented the fact that Genesis could survive without Peter Gabriel, even more than A Trick Of The Tail! It's still a great pleasure to listen to all these years later. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 07:18
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It's one of the all time great live albums. The versions of Firth of Fifth and Cinema Show are the definitive versions of those songs IMO. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 08:36
Doesn't the version of FoF have the piano intro missing?
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Blacksword wrote:Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 11:18
| Love Seconds Out! One of my favorite live albums of all time. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 14:48
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It pretty much started and cemented my love of Genesis. I don't recall hearing much Genesis on FM rock stations till this album came out. I remember hearing "The Lamb" live and was hooked.... -------------   
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 19:37
Indeed, and that's the reason I don't really like it so much (and the missing flute solo in the middle of the song... perhaps the most important flute bit that Gabriel contributed to the band), even though I find the singing better (I have never really been able to like Gabriel's singing - though I have become used to it - while I do like Collins singing). There's also a few other things through the album that don't really allow me to like it better than the original versions (or live versions with Gabriel), despite the better vocals (for me). |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 16 2019 at 23:38
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Also Hackett was virtually mixed out of the album. I hardly ever listen to it. I have a CD and DVD of the Lyceum 1980 show which I like a lot better. Better songs once they had the arsenal of the best tracks from ATTW3 and Duke to play with as well.
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Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 03:58
I don't get how you think Hackett was virtually mixed out of the album. He wasn't. I went and had another listen to it but it sounds as well mixed and produced as ever to my ears... I think it's one of the best live albums ever made in fact and imo is the definitive genesis album.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 04:26
True, and it's a shame it's not there, although Banks was using an electric piano on stage which wouldn't have sounded as good anyway. I think the instrumental sections more than make up for the lack of intro though. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 04:29
He is relatively quiet in the mix, and this has been a bone of contention for some fans for some time. IIRC, Hackett thought he was mixed quietly too. It's a Banks and Collins dominated mix, thunderous drums and big keys. It sounds f***ing good though, IMO. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 04:41
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It must be a matter of personal perspective..... Seconds Out was the first Genesis album I ever paid attention to and was the album which really got me into the band. I still prefer the versions of all the songs on it over the studio versions and I could never hear any problems with the mix. I also saw them on the above mentioned 1980 Duke tour - two nights at Glasgow Apollo - great shows indeed, but if given the option to go back in time I would have probably chosen to have seen them on the Seconds out tour... |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 07:53
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very strong overall but I really dislike Hackett's 'metallic' guitar tone on this one...(Gilmour has the same on the Wish and Animals tours /yuck) I rarely listen to it because of that. ------------- |
Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 08:17
| Steve Hackett will be playing the whole of Seconds Out on his tour next year. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 08:58
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To my mind, Hackett was never front and center on any album. For Christ's sake, it wasn't like he was Jimmy Page on a Zeppelin record! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 09:07
You better check out your tone, Stevie. ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 17 2019 at 10:40
I think so. I haven't heard SO in a while but that sounds about right.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 06:50
I only rarely listen to because I have so many albums in my collection now but certainly one hell of a live album.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 08:10
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The best two Genesis albums for me are 1) Live (1973), 2) Seconds Out. Both of these have dominated my Genesis listening almost as long as I know the band (with Dancing with the Moonlit Knight maybe their only song that I'd rate higher than the average quality of the material of the live albums). I like the 1973 one a bit more because it's more direct, emotional, and "hand-made", and because of the perfect selection of songs. But Seconds Out is great, too, no doubt about that. |
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 08:53
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Agreed !! a very fine live album. But that said to me Genesis without Gabriel is like Beatles would be without Lennon, still good music but without those magic ball's. ------------- Same person as this profile: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=22524" rel="nofollow - Tamijo |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 09:10
Yeah, still some good stuff but different. Certainly Trick of the Tail has some great moments. Wind & Wuthering less so (imo) and while I enjoy parts of And Then There Were Three and Duke, it's very apparent they are going in a different direction. Assuming PG stayed with the band into the 80s, it's hard to picture just what Genesis would have sounded like though. It would not have been 70s style classic prog. That's very unlikely, at least.
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Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 09:35
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The added dimension of live really sparkles on this album. I thought the piano used on the intro to FoF was so large, live Tony Banks claimed he just didn't have the required amount of keys to play the intro normally. Nowadays* people would have accepted a recording of the intro and then Live band, but that wasn't the way back then! *=If Genesis were a NEW band |
Posted By: haerskar
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 09:49
| Wish we could have had more Bruford on this one than just one track. Complain about the absence of Gabriel but bear in mind it had to reflect the band playing live sans Gabriel because duh... he wasn't in the band anymore. I haven't put it on for a while but I might throw it on today. |
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 09:51
As you say impossible to guess what it would be like in the 1980's of course, and never mind they separated and we still got a lot of great music. ------------- Same person as this profile: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=22524" rel="nofollow - Tamijo |
Posted By: haerskar
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 09:54
| Wish there could have been more than just one track with Bruford. People often criticize this album because of no Gabriel. I don't understand this because the guy wasn't in the band anymore. I think that they had to get a live album out because of the 18 months or so between The Lamb and Trick. It suffers a bit because of this. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 10:26
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 14:00
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It's not for me. Collins could not capture the mood of Gabriel's vocals at all, not one bit, and if mood doesn't matter in music, then I don't know what does. He was better sining his own stuff where he could create his own mood from scratch. Hackett left while they were mixing it. He always did lose out in the mix. He really especially lost out in the mix in Seconds Out. Nothing really there for me. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 15:39
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I'm not really a fan of any of the main Genesis live album releases with the possible exception of The Way We Walk The Longs. I love the live versions of Domino and Home By The Sea. Also Fading Lights was a well underrated late entry in their prog cannon imo. For me there is some really good live stuff on the Archive Box Sets . I know Gabriel had to re-do the vocals on Lamb but the band is great and the sound is exceptional. I like Collins vocals when he is singing the post Gabriel material. The Gabriel stuff is certainly tricky and I'm not sure was Collins was comfortable with it understandably. The band changed a lot of course but for me it became more 'ballsy' . Seconds Out is fine but I could never get that excited about . I remember listening to it back in 1977 and it just didn't feel very punchy then and the subsequent CD releases didn't seem to change it much. That said I've never heard the most recent remaster as it only seemed to be available as part of a very expensive box set that I just didn't want.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 15:50
My only real issues with this album are that there isn't more material from Wind and Wuthering and I think there could have been more from the lamb and other tracks from ATOTT. I'm sure some on here are upset that "robbery assault and battery" is included but that's just too bad.   Over all a great live album though.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 22:54
Yeah, this is another of the things that bothers me about this album. I particularly noticed it on Cinema Show, which is a shame, since this is perhaps the song in which I find Collins softer singing better suited compared to Gabriel's original. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 22:59
I got the live box set of Genesis, and it (obviously) has the Live (1973) album, but it also has the Live at the Rainbow from (I think) the same tour, but with other songs (actually, it's got the whole show on a DVD audio, and on CD it only includes the songs that are not on the official Live 1973 release). However, for me the best songs are the ones from the Rainbow... they really should have made that one a double album since the original release. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 23:02
Indeed. Actually, I wish they had used only performances with Bruford. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 18 2019 at 23:58
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this one is given me goosebumps already and its not out to late January  |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 19 2019 at 07:56
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 19 2019 at 10:07
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I wore my vinyl through. It was starting to get transparent Oddly enough i've never owned it in CD format (I was waiting for an extended version, which will probably never come), but I will search for it, but I want it as a cardboard Mini-Lp sleeve
Well Hackett is audible for sure, but he certainly isn't on volume 11 (or 10, FTM). But yeah, rumours abound that Banks lowered the Hackett levels once he knew Steve was leaving. I can see this being done in a studio recording as everyone is one separate tracks, but as a live recording, it must be trickier. Other rumours have SO filled with dubbing or using different concert takes on separate instruments, making it it a bit the second-place of Priest's Unleashed In The Studio Still sounds xcellent, though
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 19 2019 at 10:18
I
happen to prefer somewhat Collins' vocals on all of these Gabe-sung
tracks, because it's often another angle, which Peter hadn't thought
about - often more milicious. And this goes also for the TotT tracks
like RA&B. Kind of glad it didn't feature more W&W stuff,
though.
are you serious that this is coming out?? And if so, are there any sessions post-72 that should've been included in it? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 19 2019 at 23:46
well I've ordered it so it better be lol Of course there must be. The Lyceum 1980 gig which I go on about endlessly was a BBC recording originally . I'm pretty sure there is a lot more (73-80) but the BBC are notoriously bad with archiving and retaining tapes so who knows.
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Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 11:46
| Not a bad live album,however if you notice on all later live albums phil collins delivers a lot of goofy and out of place vocals like in MAMA and the lamb lies down on broadway on seconds out the part where he sings ad nausea um "down,down,down "i prefer this stuff edited out of the mix. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 12:52
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Posted By: haerskar
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 13:15
| However it's mixed, produced played around with it comes off as a complete show with the exception of Cinema Show that features the wonderfully concise drumming of Bill Bruford. I mean it really stands a out. I just listened to my vinyl copy that I actually bought in October 1977. I remember because we skipped school to wait at the record store to open in the morning. For some reason back then albums were always released on a Tuesday. This and the previous live album are a couple of the best live progrock albums from that glorious era. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 13:35
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Posted By: haerskar
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 13:45
What I meant was that the selection of tracks reflected that transition period. I think the recordings were taken from three shows in June 77 and the Bruford track was taken from a 1976 show on the Trick Of The Tail tour. It's like listening to an almost complete Genesis show from 1977 which is cool. I was able to see them on the ATTW3 tour so this was pretty close.
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: January 06 2020 at 15:07
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Seconds Out is a wonderful album and the best LIVE ALBUM Genesis ever put out. Some of the versions like Cinema Show, Fifth off Firth, Carpet Crawlers, Afterglow & Supper's Ready are just so emotional that you cannot help but fall in love here. That said, it's not on par with their studio efforts of Foxtrot, SEBTP & The Lamb. ------------- Deafmoon |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 02:25
Actually I prefer all those tracks' versions on Seconds Out, except for Fourth Of Forth  |
Carpet Crawlers, Afterglow & Supper's Ready are just so emotional that you cannot help but fall in love here. That said, it's not on par with their studio efforts of Foxtrot, SEBTP & The Lamb. Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 07 2020 at 04:35
| I have heard this only once, picture I got then was that it wasnīt anything special, they played songs quite as good as they played songs in "Three Sides Live", of course there are better songs in Seconds Out. I have liked much more first live, I just prefer Peter in vocals & also think their playing was then much more intensive. Anyway this is the only Genesis 1969-79 period album that I havenīt got, going to buy it someday, but because I havenīt find it their greatest anyway, I havenīt got hurry to buy it. Maybe I will listen it again someday. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 10:21
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I like the crowd response at the beginning of Squonk, a great way to start a live album. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 19 2020 at 04:32
| Just listened this whole through and I got earlier right picture of this album. But anyway I enjoyed it a lot! Seems their tour then was "letīs play the hits to the fans", I donīt have anything against "I Know What I Like", but really would have like to hear "Dancing With the Moonlight Knight" instead of it. Of course funny to hear Collins banking the tambourine to his head, also there are little pieces from "Moonlight" & "Stagnation". Also like somebody already said, really would like to hear more songs from "Lamb", the title song with ending of "Musical Box" are the greatest moments together with "Cinema Show" (not at least because Bill in drums). I think they should have leave "Supperīs" out and put more songs those two great last Gabriel-albums. I think reason to take it with has been it wasnīt on the first live, anyway I think the earlier versions with Gabriel are lot better, although this is not also totally bad. Whatīs odd there are only "Afterglow" although that was "Wuthering"-tour. Well I quess they have played more from that album but for some reason not included those into this, maybe because it just came. Anyway decent album all the way! |