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Topic: The 80s Weren't As Bad As You ThoughtPosted By: Slartibartfast
Subject: The 80s Weren't As Bad As You Thought
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:16
Sure the giants succumbed to commercialitis. Some tried and failed. Some tried and died. Some succeeded. Meanwhile there was actually a lot of great music going on if you knew where to look. So lets showcase them here.
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Replies: Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:20
I will start with Johnson, David Earle with Jan HammerHip Address1980Feb.-Mar. Yeah before Jan became Mr. Miami Vice Soundtrack, which actually had some cool '80's music he did this one that kicked off the decade.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:21
Bowie, DavidScary Monsters1980Feb.-Apr. I've always felt David did some of his best with Fripp and Eno and Fripp is here front and center.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:22
I didn't think the 80s were bad for music. I love a huge amount of 80s music, both prog and not prog, and a lot that is under a prog umbrella. I'll start by mentioning Art Zoyd in the 80s; love it.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:24
SkySky 21980Apr. Sky, freaking Sky. Headed up by THE John Williams as far as I am concerned.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:24
80s were definitely not bad! Probably the weakest decade as far as prog goes since its birth but certainly lots of great music.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:24
Bush, KateNever for Ever19791980Sep.-May Kate get the prog bug big time.
Hackett, SteveDefector (Remaster)1980Mar.-MayIt had its defective moment but The Steppes gives me goosebumps.
Di Meola, AlSpendido Hotel1980May Splendido AlDimo indeedo.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:25
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:27
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:28
I should consolidate more as I haven't even finished with 1980 yet.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:29
Slartibartfast wrote:
Bush, KateNever for Ever19791980Sep.-May Kate get the prog bug big time.
She released three albums in the Eighties, all quite progressive in their own way - especially The Dreaming (1982), though a lot of prog fans prefer Hounds of Love (1985) because of the side-long suite "The Ninth Wave". The Sensual World (1989), in my opinion, is not quite on the same level, but still an excellent album, with one song in particular ("Deeper Understanding") that foreshadows what society would become just a couple of decades later.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:32
Raff wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Bush, KateNever for Ever19791980Sep.-May Kate get the prog bug big time.
She released three albums in the Eighties, all quite progressive in their own way - especially The Dreaming (1982), though a lot of prog fans prefer Hounds of Love (1985) because of the side-long suite "The Ninth Wave". The Sensual World (1989), in my opinion, is not quite on the same level, but still an excellent album, with one song in particular ("Deeper Understanding") that foreshadows what society would become just a couple of decades later.
Twas The Dreaming that hooked me on her. I heard Suspended In Gaffa on college radio while driving and got a major case of the goosebumps.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:34
Raff wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Bush, Kate<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Never for Ever<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>1979<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>1980<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sep.-May Kate get the prog bug big time.
She released three albums in the Eighties, all quite progressive in their own way - especially The Dreaming (1982), though a lot of prog fans prefer Hounds of Love (1985) because of the side-long suite "The Ninth Wave". The Sensual World (1989), in my opinion, is not quite on the same level, but still an excellent album, with one song in particular ("Deeper Understanding") that foreshadows what society would become just a couple of decades later.
The Ninth Wave is superb. I love The Sensual World (got it on cassette in the bargain bin not long after it was released. It also features Kate Bush's rockin' "Rocket's Tail" (with Gilmour on guitar). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeimyOsdrA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeimyOsdrA "The Fog" is a particular favourite of mine.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:35
Great minds think alike, Greg! I love "The Fog", with Nigel Kennedy on violin.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:49
dougmcauliffe wrote:
80s were definitely not bad! Probably the weakest decade as far as prog goes since its birth but certainly lots of great music.
Yep. You just had to know where to look. It's the decade I first discovered prog so it can't be that bad. Lol.
Plus you had the birth of neo prog which had some cool stuff not to mention the earliest albums by Djam Karet, Ozric Tentacles and Dream Theater.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 17:50
Univers Zero, Eskaton, Present, Art Zoyd, Thinking Plague, King Crimson, This Heat, Cardiacs, The Enid, Shub-Niggurath, Dead Can Dance
80's were great!
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:44
dougmcauliffe wrote:
80s were definitely not bad! Probably the weakest decade as far as prog goes since its birth but certainly lots of great music.
I could not say it better.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 22 2019 at 23:23
My goodness, it isn't like the 70's were wall-to-wall excellent music!! I thought the 80's were amazing....new instruments were being developed (Roland guitar synth), new techniques being used (Van Halen wasn't prog but he sure had an influence), and some of our favorite bands did some of their best work. King Crimson's
"Discipline" remains some of my favorite work of their output.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 00:11
The rise of MTV was the main problem which came in the Wake of punk crashing and falling as always would. Something had to take it place and unfortunately something came to take it's place that was not about music.
Talking of wake's though a little band from near Southampton helped restore my faith in prog . IQ released a couple of splendid albums until they also succumbed to Commercialitis although came back strong in the next decade. Besides IQ there was also Eloy and Rush keeping the prog banner flying for a while. The late eighties though were absolute death for prog as it seemed everyone just gave up the ghost. The early part of the decade did give up some prog gems and the likes of Vangelis and Tangerine Dream were still being very creative in electronic music.
Emerson, Lake returned without Palmer ( who had got lost in Asia apparently) and recruited another 'P'. However they picked the wrong one as Phillips was available!
Al Stewart probably released my favourite album of the decade The Last Days of The Century. His blend of AOR, prog and folk was just about perfected on this album. Superior imo to the more vaunted Year Of The Cat but then I do like both. Kate Bush as already mentioned released her best albums in this decade and was a breath of fresh air. I also love Suzanne Vega's debut album but it has nothing to do with prog of course. The likes of Simple Minds , Talk Talk ,Tears For Fears and China Crisis also managed to buck the plastic trend so there are goodies to be found if you look away from prog.
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 01:03
They were, but that doesn't mean great music wasn't being produced in the 80s. Each decade has had great stuff and each decade has had sh*t. That said, I would say comparatively to the other 'modern' decades, the 80s is clearly at the bottom in terms of the good stuff.
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 02:51
richardh wrote:
IQ released a couple of splendid albums until they also succumbed to Commercialitis although came back strong in the next decade
You were nearly right here, apart from the fact that all their '80s albums were fantastic...
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:28
Eddie Jobson. The Green Album and Theme of Secrets. Case closed m'lud.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:39
maybe not as bad as I say it is, but it's still the worst decade since the 40's & 50's by a mile (and more)
of course there are good albums, but they're the exceptions that confirm the rule
Posted By: judahbenkenobi
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:56
The 80's were great! They gave us Michael Jackson, Madonna, and New Kids on the Block!
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 07:05
I never thought the 80's were bad. I loved Madonna, Michael Jackson, Disco, Synth-Pop and the New Romantic movement of the 80's.
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 08:31
Ah, the 80's:
You take the good, you take the bad
You take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life
The 80's wasn't all bad, and certainly new wave, alternative, post punk had some definite pluses. More art rock than the "traditional" prog shined through.
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 08:55
Starting with 1980 - 1982
1980
Prog/Experimental:
Aksak Maboul - Un Peu De
L'Ame Des Bandits
Bill
Bruford - Gradually Going Tornado
Daryl Hall
- Sacred Songs (a part of Fripp’s Exposure trilogy)
Herbie
Hancock - Mr. Hands
Eloy – Colours
Jon &
Vangelis - Short Stories
Pere Ubu - The
Art Of Walking
Peter
Gabriel – III
Talking
Heads - Remain In Light
Yes – Drama
Zamla
Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor
Other very important albums imho :
David Bowie
- Scary Monsters (semi prog. to say the least)
Bob Marley
& The Wailers – Uprising
The Cure - Seventeen
Seconds
U2 – Boy
Van Halen -
Women And Children First
Closer - Joy
Division
1981
Prog/Experimental:
Brian
Eno/David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
Alux Nahual
- Alux Nahual
Camel –
Nude
David Byrne
- The Catherine Wheel
Dün – Eros
The Flying
Lizards - Fourth Wall
Frank Zappa
: Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar, Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar Some More and Return
of the Son of Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar (later a 1982 3xLP) + You Are What You
Is.
Genesis: Abacab
Jon &
Vangelis - The Friends Of Mr Cairo (not really prog/experimental but who cares)
Jon Hassell
- Dream Theory In Malaya
King
Crimson – Discipline
Kultivator
- Barndomens Stigar
Massacre - Killing
Time
Robert
Fripp & The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen
Rush - Moving
Pictures
Other very important albums imho :
Eurythmics
- In the Garden
J. J. Cale –
Shades
Japan - Tin
Drum
1982
Prog/Experimental:
Al Di Meola
- Electric Rendezvous
Andy
Summers & Robert Fripp - I Advance Masked
Begnagrad –
Begnagrad
Birth
Control - Bäng!
Frank Zappa
- Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
Jethro Tull
- The Broadsword and the Beast
King
Crimson – Beat
Laurie
Anderson - Big Science
Peter
Gabriel – IV
Weather
Report - Weather Report
Other very important albums imho :
Robert (Allen) Palmer - Maybe It's Live
Dire
Straits - Love Over Gold
Grace Jones
- Living My Life
Jean-Michel
Jarre - The Concerts In China
Jon
Anderson – Animation
Robert
Plant - Pictures at Eleven
Weather
Report - Weather Report
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 09:09
Solaris' "Marsbéli krónikįk" is a gem from this decade.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 09:23
I don't listen to much prog from the 80s. Genesis, Gabriel, K. Bush, Yes and Rush. Now that's slim picken's.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 09:51
The 80s had some great prog.
Camel - Nude and Stationary Traveller are superb
Marillion - Script to Seasons End are all first class
IQ - Tales and The Wake are brilliant and I even like those which cannot be mentioned.
Sky - Sky 2 is brilliant and Sky 3 is very good
Rush - Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures are great
There were also great albums from Mike Oldfield, Los Jaivas, Eloy and Ozric Tentacles.
Outside prog, Big Country released The Crossing, one of the best debuts of all time, then followed it up with Steeltown and The Seer, the last of which has some prog attributes and is brilliant.
Runrig produced several stunning albums, including my own favourites Recovery and Heartland.
I was living in St Andrews at the time and saw both bands live several times: they were incredible.
Dire Straits released Making Movies and Love Over Gold, which I really like.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 09:54
SteveG wrote:
I don't listen to much prog from the 80s. Genesis, Gabriel, K. Bush, Yes and Rush. Now that's slim picken's.
I don't remember listening to much prog in the 1980's either, although there was plenty of other great music out there to keep me entertained throughout the 80's The 1990's and the 2000's were the worst two decades for me music-wise, because I didn't go online until 2010. I spent most of the 1990's and 2000's buying and listening to music from the three previous decades.
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 10:01
1983 - 1985
1983
Prog/Experimental:
Here &
Now - Fantasy Shift
Marillion -
Script For A Jester's Tear
Frank Zappa
- The Man From Utopia
Pink Floyd
- The Final Cut
Other very important albums imho :
Black
Sabbath - Born Again
Japan - Oil
On Canvas
Marianne
Faithfull - A Child's Adventure
Talking
Heads - Speaking in Tongues
Robert
Plant - The Principle Of Moments
1984
Prog/Experimental:
Andy
Summers & Robert Fripp – Bewitched
Brian Eno
& Harold Budd - The Pearl
Dead Can
Dance - Dead Can Dance
King
Crimson - Three of a Perfect Pair
Laurie
Anderson - Mister Heartbreak
Marillion –
Fugazi
Roger
Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking
Rush - Grace
Under Pressure
Other very important albums imho :
Andreas
Vollenweider - Behind the Gardens - Behind the Wall - Under the Tree
Deep Purple
- Perfect Stranger
Frankie
Goes to Hollywood - Welcome to the Pleasuredome
Hüsker Dü -
Zen Arcade
Mark
Knopfler – Cal
1985
Prog/Experimental:
Art Zoyd - Le Mariage Du
Ciel Et De L'Enfer
David
Sylvian – Alchemy, An Index Of Possibilities
Dead Can
Dance - Spleen and Ideal
Hellebore -
Il Y A Des Jours
John Zorn -
The Big Gundown
Horizont - Summer
In Town
Kenso - Kenso
III
Marillion -
Misplaced Childhood
Nick Mason
and Rick Fenn – Profiles
Weather
Report - This Is This!
Other very important albums imho :
Alan
Parsons Project – Stereotomy & Vulture Culture
Dead
Kennedys - Frankenchrist
Artists
United Against Apartheid – Sun City
Dire
Straits - Brothers In Arms
The Firm - The
Firm (Jimmy Page)
Kate Bush -
Hounds of Love
Simple
Minds - Once Upon a Time
Supertramp
- Brother Where You Bound
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 10:07
The 80's were as bad as I thought, otherwise I wouldn't have thought it. ;-)
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 10:49
This is the end of my list of what I find to be essential 80's albums, there is a lot more just picked those i think anyone need to hear before......
1986 - 1989
1986
Prog/Experimental:
David
Sylvian - Gone To Earth
Frank Zappa
- Jazz from hell
Laurie
Anderson - Home of the Brave
Miriodor – Miriodor
Peter
Gabriel – So
Talk Talk -
The Colour Of Spring
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth - Eat 'Em and Smile
Eurythmics –
Revenge
The Firm - Mean
Business
Hüsker Dü -
Candy Apple Grey
Megadeth - Peace
Sells...But Who's Buying?
Miles Davis
– Tutu
Paul Simon –
Graceland
The The – Infected
The Call - Reconciled
1987
Prog/Experimental:
David
sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive
Jethro Tull
- Crest Of A Knave
Marillion -
Clutching at Straws
Pink Floyd
- A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
Roger
Waters - Radio K.A.O.S.
Rush - Hold
Your Fire
Yes - Big
Generator
Other very important albums imho :
Bill
Bruford's Earthworks - Earthworks
The Cure - Kiss
Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
David Bowie
- Never Let Me Down
Robbie
Robertson - Robbie Robertson
Ryuichi
Sakamoto, David Byrne, Cong Su - The Last Emperor
Simply Red
- Men and Women
U2 - The
Joshua Tree
Whitesnake
- 1987
1988
Prog/Experimental:
Cardiacs - A
Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window
Dead Can
Dance - Serpent's Egg
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth – Skyscraper
Joan
Armatrading - The Shouting Stage
Queensr˙che
- Operation: Mindcrime
Robert
Plant - Now And Zen
Sade - Stronger
Than Pride
Sinéad
O'Connor -The Lion and the Cobra
Steve Roach
- Dreamtime Return
Talking
Heads - Naked
Tracy
Chapman - Tracy Chapman
U2 - Rattle
and Hum
1989
Prog/Experimental:
Birdsongs
Of The Mesozoic – Faultline
Horizont - The
Portrait Of A Boy
Jethro Tull
- Rock Island
Peter
Gabriel – Passion
Porcupine
Tree - Tarquin's Seaweed Farm
Swans - The
Burning World
Anderson
Bruford Wakeman Howe - Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe
Other very important albums imho :
Adrian
Belew - Mr. Music Head
David Byrne
- Rei Momo
Faith No
More - The Real Thing
Culture - Too
Long In Slavery
The Cure – Disintegration
Lisa
Stansfield -Affection
Simple
Minds - Street Fighting Years
The The - Mind
Bomb
Whitesnake - Slip Of The Tongue
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 10:53
cstack3 wrote:
My goodness, it isn't like the 70's were wall-to-wall excellent music!! I thought the 80's were amazing....new instruments were being developed (Roland guitar synth), new techniques being used (Van Halen wasn't prog but he sure had an influence), and some of our favorite bands did some of their best work. King Crimson's
"Discipline" remains some of my favorite work of their output.
Even autotune isn't totally evil if used properly heheheeeh
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 10:59
Well I guess I am an hopeless music addict I don't care if you regard it as prog or not. I am termanlly addicted to music.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 11:09
richardh wrote:
The rise of MTV was the main problem which came in the Wake of punk crashing and falling as always would. Something had to take it place and unfortunately something came to take it's place that was not about music.
I kinda liked MTV for a while and Beavis and Butthead for a while. Punk was crap for me in it's heyday. I love pronk like Cardiacs and Knifeworld.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 11:22
The 80s was as bad as I thought. Knowing where to look for obscure stuff is a backhanded compliment. But it did exist, so here’s some of what got me through it:
Steve Hackett - Defector (1980) Steve Hackett - Cured (1981) Steve Hackett - Highly Strung (1983) Henry Kaiser and Fred Frith - Who Needs Enemies (1983) Henry Kaiser - It’s a Wonderful Life (1984) Henry Kaiser - Devil in the Drain (1987) Henry Kaiser - Those Who Know History Are Doomed to Repeat It (1988) Frank Zappa - Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar (three disc box set) (1981) Frank Zappa - You Are What You Is (1981) Frank Zappa - Them Or Us (1984) Frank Zappa - Jazz From Hell (1986) Frank Zappa - Guitar (1988) King Crimson - Discipline (1981) King Crimson - Beat (1982) King Crimson - Three of a Perfect Pair (1984) Adrian Belew - Lone Rhino (1982) Adrian Belew - Twang Bar King (1983) Adrian Belew - Desire Caught By the Tail (1986) Peter Gabriel - Melt Peter Gabriel - Security Peter Gabriel - So Peter Gabriel - Passion Jethro Tull - Crest of a Knave Frith, Ostertag and Minton - Voice of America (1982) French, Frith, Kaiser and Thompson - Live Love Larf and Loaf (1987)
I’m struggling to remember. There was a Kevin Ayers album a friend of mine made a tape of and would play while we worked in a pizzeria, but I can’t recall the (correct) title. I had a couple of records with Bill Frisell too, but I don’t recall what they were called.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 11:42
Splitting it into decades is not really fair either.
When Prog was very fresh about 40-50 brilliant albums followed ITCOTCK from 1970 - 1974'ish.
If you pick out those early masterpieces every decade becomes more equal.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 11:58
MTV is just Telly replacing FM mainstream and has always existed, dont forget 70's top selling artists like:
The Jackson
5 - The Osmonds - Bee Gees - Rod Stewart - Gilbert O'Sullivan
Barry White
- Olivia Newton-John - Barry Manilow - Earth, Wind & Fire - KC and the Sunshine Band
Glen
Campbell - Bay City Rollers – ABBA - A Taste of Honey - Donna Summer - Herb
Alpert and a lot more
Not saying
they are bad but they are no better that average 80’s MTV – and def. not prog.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:36
I LOVED the 80s and all of the adventurous uses artist/musicians were coming up with for the technological advances of synthesizers, computer (Fairlight CMI), drum machines (Linn), and MIDI (Simmons drums, Synclavier, SynthAxe, Roland, etc.) So many bands that, to my ears and mind, were absolutely continuing the prog spirit have been barred from or relegated to "-related" status here on ProgArchives, including:
XTC
U2
Simple Minds
Eurythmics
Tom Tom Club
David Sylvian
Talking Heads
Cocteau Twins
Souixie & The Banshees
The Cure
Nina Hagen
Lena Lovich
Art of Noise
Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Psychedelic Furs
ABC
Mark Isham
Propaganda
Grace Jones
Rosie Vela
Aztec Camera
Love and Money
Joe Jackson
and, of course,
Prince Rogers Nelson,
not to mention numerous artists who were maligned as their music became labeled (and scorned) as "World Music," "Smooth Jazz," and/or "New Age."
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 13:07
Davesax1965 wrote:
The 80's were as bad as I thought, otherwise I wouldn't have thought it. ;-)
Yeah, if you think the 80's were good, you weren't there
delventhal wrote:
The second half of the Eighties was utter sh*t for our beloved genre.
I'd have to agree with that, because the early-80's
still had their quota of good albums, especially in RIO/Avant (though I
only discovered most of it that stuff in the mid to late 90's ), but
the worst years are from 86 to 89, when you only need one hand to count
the good albums (unless you're into metal)
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 13:25
The 80s were not thoroughly bad. They can be compared with a month or a season that is colder, with less hours of sun and more precipitation than the average for the time of the year: there are always some days with fine weather.
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Posted By: foregonillusions
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 15:28
Looking at my music library, I noticed that most of my 80's prog is from Japanese bands, so I'd say if you were a fan of that kind of symphonic prog, then the 80s were pretty alright.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 16:21
Seven of my top 10 (OK make it top 12 or so) albums of all time hail from the eighties!
King Crimson - Dscipline, Kate Bush - The Dreaming, Eno & Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, Camberwell Now - The Ghost Trade, David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees (the boldfaced ones have apparently not yet been mentioned in this thread, or I have missed that) and not listed on PA Comsat Angels - Sleep No More and Astor Piazzolla - Nuovo Tango, Hora Zero. Plus Holger Czukay Movies (1979) and Talk Talk Laughing Stock (1991), after their two previous 80s albums that come mightily close. Plus all the Cardiacs and Art Zoyd joy from that decade, of which it's hard to pick a favourite, and the next three of King Crimson after Discipline, all the other Kate Bush from that decade, plus great non-prog by Joe Jackson, Thomas Dolby, Killing Joke... Not only are the eighties not that bad, they actually *dominate* my favourites by some distance.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 16:39
Slartibartfast wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
My goodness, it isn't like the 70's were wall-to-wall excellent music!! I thought the 80's were amazing....new instruments were being developed (Roland guitar synth), new techniques being used (Van Halen wasn't prog but he sure had an influence), and some of our favorite bands did some of their best work. King Crimson's
"Discipline" remains some of my favorite work of their output.
Even autotune isn't totally evil if used properly heheheeeh
I once advocated for autotune on PA and still bear the scars from that exchange!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 16:45
tamijo_II wrote:
MTV is just Telly replacing FM mainstream and has always existed, dont forget 70's top selling artists like:
The Jackson
5 - The Osmonds - Bee Gees - Rod Stewart - Gilbert O'Sullivan
Barry White
- Olivia Newton-John - Barry Manilow - Earth, Wind & Fire - KC and the Sunshine Band
Glen
Campbell - Bay City Rollers – ABBA - A Taste of Honey - Donna Summer - Herb
Alpert and a lot more
Not saying
they are bad but they are no better that average 80’s MTV – and def. not prog.
I'm not sure what FM station you were listening to in the 1970s. That crap you mentioned definitely wasn't being played in the Detroit area on FM. That stuff was more AM hits radio. Definitely non-stereo AM at that.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 17:04
The Dark Elf wrote:
tamijo_II wrote:
MTV is just Telly replacing FM mainstream and has always existed, dont forget 70's top selling artists like:
The Jackson
5 - The Osmonds - Bee Gees - Rod Stewart - Gilbert O'Sullivan
Barry White
- Olivia Newton-John - Barry Manilow - Earth, Wind & Fire - KC and the Sunshine Band
Glen
Campbell - Bay City Rollers – ABBA - A Taste of Honey - Donna Summer - Herb
Alpert and a lot more
Not saying
they are bad but they are no better that average 80’s MTV – and def. not prog.
I'm not sure what FM station you were listening to in the 1970s. That crap you mentioned definitely wasn't being played in the Detroit area on FM. That stuff was more AM hits radio. Definitely non-stereo AM at that.
Likely some difference in radio over the world, so lets say top selling radio hits. All of those sold a lot of singels - you don't do that unless you are played on TV/Radio.
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Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 17:06
Lewian wrote:
Eno & Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts,
That one was on my list.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 23:25
In my early youth I really hated eighties horribilities (Modern Talking, Bad Boys Blue etc) and cursed why I wasn´t born 20 years earlier. But gladly speed metal came and saved my youth. Much later I noticed for example Sonic Youth, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Nomeasno, Bad Brains, Minutemen, Wipers, Meat Puppets, Talking Heads, the Raincoats, the Pop Group, the Red Krayola, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Damned, the Cure, Joy Division, Kate Bush, Tom Waits, Captain Beefheart, Japan, Talk Talk made great albums in the eighties, I just wasn´t aware of them. Still I don´t think it was great time to prog, all the great prog albums have made in the sixties/seventies. Only few later exceptions.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 23:43
^ I think the 80s was a great time for acts of the RIO/Avant Prog variety. So many of my favourite albums come from the 80s, both in and out of PA.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 23 2019 at 23:53
Logan wrote:
^ I think the 80s was a great time for acts of the RIO/Avant Prog variety. So many of my favourite albums come from the 80s, both in and out of PA.
I haven´t got much into RIO/Avant. I really love Samla Mammas Mannas Måltid-album, but not as much their other albums, not really get into Henry Cow also, although albums I have listened have been at least good. And in Frank Zappa his sixties period is my fav. If you like to recommend me one Avant album from the eighties (not Zappa), I will listen it. Have to say I really love Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, it has put avant in progarchives, but I am not sure, is it really...
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 00:15
Mortte wrote:
Logan wrote:
^ I think the 80s was a great time for acts of the RIO/Avant Prog variety. So many of my favourite albums come from the 80s, both in and out of PA.
I haven´t got much into RIO/Avant. I really love Samla Mammas Mannas Måltid-album, but not as much their other albums, not really get into Henry Cow also, although albums I have listened have been at least good. And in Frank Zappa his sixties period is my fav. If you like to recommend me one Avant album from the eighties (not Zappa), I will listen it. Have to say I really love Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, it has put avant in progarchives, but I am not sure, is it really...
I don;t know Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, will look into it.
This would be throwing most people off the deep-end, but I feel like recommending that you try Art Zoyd's Génération sans futur from 1980. But that might be too easily likened to the music off Henry Cow's Western Culture. On second thought, maybe try This Heat's Deceit.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 00:41
tamijo_II wrote:
This is the end of my list of what I find to be essential 80's albums, there is a lot more just picked those i think anyone need to hear before......
1986 - 1989
1986
Prog/Experimental:
David
Sylvian - Gone To Earth
Frank Zappa
- Jazz from hell
Laurie
Anderson - Home of the Brave
Miriodor – Miriodor
Peter
Gabriel – So
Talk Talk -
The Colour Of Spring
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth - Eat 'Em and Smile
Eurythmics –
Revenge
The Firm - Mean
Business
Hüsker Dü -
Candy Apple Grey
Megadeth - Peace
Sells...But Who's Buying?
Miles Davis
– Tutu
Paul Simon –
Graceland
The The – Infected
The Call - Reconciled
1987
Prog/Experimental:
David
sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive
Jethro Tull
- Crest Of A Knave
Marillion -
Clutching at Straws
Pink Floyd
- A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
Roger
Waters - Radio K.A.O.S.
Rush - Hold
Your Fire
Yes - Big
Generator
Other very important albums imho :
Bill
Bruford's Earthworks - Earthworks
The Cure - Kiss
Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
David Bowie
- Never Let Me Down
Robbie
Robertson - Robbie Robertson
Ryuichi
Sakamoto, David Byrne, Cong Su - The Last Emperor
Simply Red
- Men and Women
U2 - The
Joshua Tree
Whitesnake
- 1987
1988
Prog/Experimental:
Cardiacs - A
Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window
Dead Can
Dance - Serpent's Egg
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth – Skyscraper
Joan
Armatrading - The Shouting Stage
Queensr˙che
- Operation: Mindcrime
Robert
Plant - Now And Zen
Sade - Stronger
Than Pride
Sinéad
O'Connor -The Lion and the Cobra
Steve Roach
- Dreamtime Return
Talking
Heads - Naked
Tracy
Chapman - Tracy Chapman
U2 - Rattle
and Hum
1989
Prog/Experimental:
Birdsongs
Of The Mesozoic – Faultline
Horizont - The
Portrait Of A Boy
Jethro Tull
- Rock Island
Peter
Gabriel – Passion
Porcupine
Tree - Tarquin's Seaweed Farm
Swans - The
Burning World
Anderson
Bruford Wakeman Howe - Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe
Other very important albums imho :
Adrian
Belew - Mr. Music Head
David Byrne
- Rei Momo
Faith No
More - The Real Thing
Culture - Too
Long In Slavery
The Cure – Disintegration
Lisa
Stansfield -Affection
Simple
Minds - Street Fighting Years
The The - Mind
Bomb
Whitesnake - Slip Of The Tongue
and the eighties crash and burn . If Yes - The Big Generator is ever regarded as 'essential' then I am truly dead and gone to hell.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 00:47
Slartibartfast wrote:
richardh wrote:
The rise of MTV was the main problem which came in the Wake of punk crashing and falling as always would. Something had to take it place and unfortunately something came to take it's place that was not about music.
I kinda liked MTV for a while and Beavis and Butthead for a while. Punk was crap for me in it's heyday. I love pronk like Cardiacs and Knifeworld.
Punk has something but then it got twisted into something else. The nonsense idea that you didn't need to be a musician to make music seemed to spawn a raft of one finger on the keyboard pop synth bands with weird hair.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 00:55
One real gem that I forgot about from that decade was Propaganda - A Secret Wish. Trevor Horn was involved witb some interesting stuff including Art of Noise and Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Welcome To The Pleasure Dome. Had to be an ex proggie.
Eddie Jobson - A Theme Of Secrets was previously mentioned and that's a goodie as well.
I also think that Enya's - Watermark is a very beautiful album that bucked the trend.
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 01:03
In the eighties Iron Maiden, Metallica, Voivod and many others made some great prog-infused metal albums and laid the groundwork for all progressive metal that came in the nineties. Blue Oyster Cult made 'Fire of Unknown Origin'. Camel released 'Nude'. Hawkwind recorded 'Live Chronicles'. Queensryche made 'Operation Mindcrime'. Scott Walker recorded the progressive vocal record 'Climate of Hunter'. Frank Sinatra recorded 'The Future' (part of trilogy). Than of course there are Marillion and IQ who started their impressive careers and launched the neo-prog genre.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 01:08
Though honestly, who would trade the whole eighties againt just 1971 & 1972?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 01:10
^ I wouldn't trade it even for just one year from 1971-1975
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 02:28
richardh wrote:
tamijo_II wrote:
This is the end of my list of what I find to be essential 80's albums, there is a lot more just picked those i think anyone need to hear before......
1986 - 1989
1986
Prog/Experimental:
David
Sylvian - Gone To Earth
Frank Zappa
- Jazz from hell
Laurie
Anderson - Home of the Brave
Miriodor – Miriodor
Peter
Gabriel – So
Talk Talk -
The Colour Of Spring
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth - Eat 'Em and Smile
Eurythmics –
Revenge
The Firm - Mean
Business
Hüsker Dü -
Candy Apple Grey
Megadeth - Peace
Sells...But Who's Buying?
Miles Davis
– Tutu
Paul Simon –
Graceland
The The – Infected
The Call - Reconciled
1987
Prog/Experimental:
David
sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive
Jethro Tull
- Crest Of A Knave
Marillion -
Clutching at Straws
Pink Floyd
- A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
Roger
Waters - Radio K.A.O.S.
Rush - Hold
Your Fire
Yes - Big
Generator
Other very important albums imho :
Bill
Bruford's Earthworks - Earthworks
The Cure - Kiss
Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
David Bowie
- Never Let Me Down
Robbie
Robertson - Robbie Robertson
Ryuichi
Sakamoto, David Byrne, Cong Su - The Last Emperor
Simply Red
- Men and Women
U2 - The
Joshua Tree
Whitesnake
- 1987
1988
Prog/Experimental:
Cardiacs - A
Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window
Dead Can
Dance - Serpent's Egg
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth – Skyscraper
Joan
Armatrading - The Shouting Stage
Queensr˙che
- Operation: Mindcrime
Robert
Plant - Now And Zen
Sade - Stronger
Than Pride
Sinéad
O'Connor -The Lion and the Cobra
Steve Roach
- Dreamtime Return
Talking
Heads - Naked
Tracy
Chapman - Tracy Chapman
U2 - Rattle
and Hum
1989
Prog/Experimental:
Birdsongs
Of The Mesozoic – Faultline
Horizont - The
Portrait Of A Boy
Jethro Tull
- Rock Island
Peter
Gabriel – Passion
Porcupine
Tree - Tarquin's Seaweed Farm
Swans - The
Burning World
Anderson
Bruford Wakeman Howe - Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe
Other very important albums imho :
Adrian
Belew - Mr. Music Head
David Byrne
- Rei Momo
Faith No
More - The Real Thing
Culture - Too
Long In Slavery
The Cure – Disintegration
Lisa
Stansfield -Affection
Simple
Minds - Street Fighting Years
The The - Mind
Bomb
Whitesnake - Slip Of The Tongue
and the eighties crash and burn . If Yes - The Big Generator is ever regarded as 'essential' then I am truly dead and gone to hell.
This is very typical internet: I'm taking time to make a list of +100 albums that i find interesting from the 80's, a very varied plate I think, with music to appeal to anyone's taste. You pick one album and PUKE on it.
NB: It is not a trade, the 70's won't disappear if you listen to 80's music.
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 03:39
"Hawkwind recorded 'Live Chronicles"
- no further questions, Your Honour. ;-)
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 03:40
The 80s kicked arse!!! Just a matter of where you decide to turn the flashlight. Sure point it towards MTV and the whole ‘music needs spurious stuff like specific clothes/dances/looks in order to be interesting ie sell’ and you get a mountain of goo..but dig around a little and you end up with a Babushka doll of sorts that never seems to end. Currently listening to some Dead Can Dance and am about to embark on a little goosebumps enducing rollercoaster ride called Xavier
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 03:41
Lewian wrote:
Seven of my top 10 (OK make it top 12 or so) albums of all time hail from the eighties!
King Crimson - Dscipline, Kate Bush - The Dreaming, Eno & Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, Camberwell Now - The Ghost Trade, David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees (the boldfaced ones have apparently not yet been mentioned in this thread, or I have missed that) and not listed on PA Comsat Angels - Sleep No More and Astor Piazzolla - Nuovo Tango, Hora Zero. Plus Holger Czukay Movies (1979) and Talk Talk Laughing Stock (1991), after their two previous 80s albums that come mightily close. Plus all the Cardiacs and Art Zoyd joy from that decade, of which it's hard to pick a favourite, and the next three of King Crimson after Discipline, all the other Kate Bush from that decade, plus great non-prog by Joe Jackson, Thomas Dolby, Killing Joke... Not only are the eighties not that bad, they actually *dominate* my favourites by some distance.
So much this. Excellent choices BTW. Loving the music produced in the Seventies does not mean you cannot appreciate what came after, even if it sounded "different". Though I have been into music for as long as I can remember, I started getting serious about it in the early Eighties, and this has coloured my whole attitude towards this much-reviled decade. I'll have to disagree with Hugues' statement that if you like the Eighties, it means you were not there.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 07:26
Logan wrote:
This would be throwing most people off the deep-end, but I feel like recommending that you try Art Zoyd's Génération sans futurfrom 1980. But that might be too easily likened to the music off Henry Cow's Western Culture. On second thought, maybe try This Heat's Deceit.
Great suggestions!
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 09:38
Did somebody mention Thomas Dolby and good in the same sentence? That talentless t**t sums up the commercial 80s perfectly. And if band like Pallas had been given the opportunity that later bands had...then the atlantis suite would have beaten all else in the 80s...
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 09:58
There are some great albums listed throughout this thread that show that prog never died completely, even in the 80s. I didn't see mention of Kayak's "Merlin" or Saga's "World Apart" which were also great albums.
Thanks to Logan for mentioning the often overlooked "Deceit" by This Heat.
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 10:02
Hmm. I'm stating to think that the 80s was worst than I thought. Thank god for Midnight Oil. Luv those guys.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 10:22
SteveG wrote:
Hmm. I'm stating to think that the 80s was worst than I thought. Thank god for Midnight Oil. Luv those guys.
When one has to defend a premise like "the 80s weren't as bad as you thought", I would suggest that it was indeed that bad, and folks are left scrambling to provide a spade to shovel out of the sh*te.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 13:56
Madrigal.....1988
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 16:10
M27Barney wrote:
Did somebody mention Thomas Dolby and good in the same sentence? That talentless t**t sums up the commercial 80s perfectly. And if band like Pallas had been given the opportunity that later bands had...then the atlantis suite would have beaten all else in the 80s...
Well, at least a certain Mr. Steve Hackett liked this one:
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 19:33
this turned out to be too much of a project for me at the moment but I couldn't stop! lots of good prog and non prog in the 1980s...here are some
prog
Amenophis - s/t
Angelo Branduardi - "Cercando L'Oro"
Anyone's Daughter - all their early 1980s albums, with one simple called "Live" being perhaps the best
Dan Ar Braz - Acoustic"
Asia Minor - "Between Flesh and Divine"
Blue Oyster Cult - "Fire of Unknown Origin"
Camel - "Stationary Traveller"
Clannad - "Fuaim", "Magical Ring", and "Macalla"
Eloy - probably their 3 best were released in the early 1980s - "Colours", "Planets" and "Time to Turn"
Flaming Bess "Tanz der Gotetter" was from 1979 and launched an impressive career, though that is their best
Gordon Giltrap - "Live at Oxford"
Steve Hackett - "Defector", "Cured" (!), "Highly Strung"
Itoiz - "Ezekiel"
Los Jaivas - "Alturas de Machu Picchu"
Jon and Vangelis - "Friends of Mr Cairo"
Kerrs Pink - "Mellom Oss"
Kitaro - "In Person (Digital)"
Moving Hearts - s/t and "Dark End of the Street"
Novalis - "Augenblicke"
Mike Oldfield - "QE2", "Five Miles out" and several amazing singles like "Crime of Passion" and "Pictures in the Dark"
Sally Oldfield - "Celebration"
Gavin O'Loghlen - "The Poet and the Priest"
Osiris - s/t and "Myths and Legends"
Outer Limits - "Misty Moon" and "Scene of Pale Blue"
Alan Parsons - "Turn of a Friendly Card"
Pablo El Enterrador - s/t
Pentangle - "In the Round"
Pererin - "Teithgan"
Rebekka - "Phoenix"
Renaissance - "Camera Camera" - it's very good really
Rousseau - "Retreat"
Rubaja and Hernandez - "High Plateaux"
Sky - II and III
Jimi Slevin - Freeflight
Alan Stivell - "Terre des Vivants"
Strawbs - "Don't say Goodbye"
David Sylvian - "Secrets of the Beehive"
Tangerine Dream - "Exit" and "Underwater Sunlight"
Bob Theil - "So Far"
Andreas Vollenweider - "Down to the Moon"
non prog isn't as readily available but here are a few
Dire Straits - "Making Movies"
Fleetwood Mac - "Tango in the Night"
Van Morrison - "Poetic Champions Compose"
Runrig - "Recovery", "Heartland" and "Cutter and the Clan"
Ultravox - "Vienna" and "Quartet"
Lindisfarne - "Sleepless Nights"
Ian Matthews - "Walking a Changing Line"
Ferron - "Testimony"
Juluka - "African Litany", "Scatterlings" and "Stand your Ground"
Savuka - "Third World Child"
China Crisis - "Working with Fire and Steel" and "Flaunt the Imperfection"
Bruce Cockburn - "Stealing Fire"
Chris de Burgh - "The Getaway"
Orealis - "Celtic Music"
Loreena McKennitt - "Parallel Dreams"
Sarah McLachlan - "Touch"
the Men they Couldn't Hang - "Waiting for Bonaparte" and "Silvertown"
Pogues - "Rum Sodomy and the Lash"
Christy Moore - hmm, take your pick
Pete Morton - "Frivolous Love"
Spirit of the West - "Tripping up the Stairs"
Triffids - "Born Sandy Devotional" and "Calenture"
RedGum - "Caught in the Act" and "Frontline"
Red Box - "Circle and the Square"
Aha - "Hunting High and Low"
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 23:00
Logan wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Logan wrote:
^ I think the 80s was a great time for acts of the RIO/Avant Prog variety. So many of my favourite albums come from the 80s, both in and out of PA.
I haven´t got much into RIO/Avant. I really love Samla Mammas Mannas Måltid-album, but not as much their other albums, not really get into Henry Cow also, although albums I have listened have been at least good. And in Frank Zappa his sixties period is my fav. If you like to recommend me one Avant album from the eighties (not Zappa), I will listen it. Have to say I really love Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, it has put avant in progarchives, but I am not sure, is it really...
I don;t know Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, will look into it.
This would be throwing most people off the deep-end, but I feel like recommending that you try Art Zoyd's Génération sans futur from 1980. But that might be too easily likened to the music off Henry Cow's Western Culture. On second thought, maybe try This Heat's Deceit.
From Thinking Fellers I recommended you "Strangers From the Universe". It´s greatest from them and most melodic album. They do have also punk influences in their quite personal style.
I have listen some Art Zoyd (I believe it was their debut from 1976) and didn´t like it much. So I think I will try This Heat.
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 24 2019 at 23:07
kenethlevine wrote:
this turned out to be too much of a project for me at the moment but I couldn't stop! lots of good prog and non prog in the 1980s...here are some
prog
Los Jaivas - "Alturas de Machu Picchu"
non prog isn't as readily available but here are a few
Pogues - "Rum Sodomy and the Lash"
These have been also my favourite albums, although prefer both Los Jaivas & Arco Iris seventies albums. Pogues were great band as long as Shane was in vocals!
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 25 2019 at 01:22
Logan wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Logan wrote:
^ I think the 80s was a great time for acts of the RIO/Avant Prog variety. So many of my favourite albums come from the 80s, both in and out of PA.
I haven´t got much into RIO/Avant. I really love Samla Mammas Mannas Måltid-album, but not as much their other albums, not really get into Henry Cow also, although albums I have listened have been at least good. And in Frank Zappa his sixties period is my fav. If you like to recommend me one Avant album from the eighties (not Zappa), I will listen it. Have to say I really love Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, it has put avant in progarchives, but I am not sure, is it really...
I don;t know Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, will look into it.
This would be throwing most people off the deep-end, but I feel like recommending that you try Art Zoyd's Génération sans futur from 1980. But that might be too easily likened to the music off Henry Cow's Western Culture. On second thought, maybe try This Heat's Deceit.
Thanx for This Heat -recommendation, it´s quite weird, but I like it! It´s kind of weird mix of Joy Division & Captain Beefheart. Going to listen also their first album.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 25 2019 at 03:01
The Camberwell Now album The Ghost Trade I mentioned earlier is actually Charles Hayward and Trefor Goronwy of This Heat. I do like This Heat a lot but I'd rate The Ghost Trade even higher, so if you like This Heat, you may like that one, too.
Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: December 25 2019 at 03:15
AFAIC the 80's pretty much did suck musically, at least that was my opinion when it was going on, and I was still in my teens or early 20's, so too young to be jaded. There was good music around, but pretty much all of it was underground or at very least alternative. That isn't always the case.
I'd really enjoyed late 70's new wave, but it had all turned to New romantic trash by about 81. And I can't help feeling that 80's music was infected by a post-punk cynicism and irony that got very wearing. I'm not sure exactly when that wore off, but it eventually did to a large extent.
I also think of that time as the end of the British era. For me British bands had dominated music from the Beatles through to punk and new wave, but they lost the plot in the early 80's and never came to dominate again, despite the Brit-Pop bubble of the mid 90's. The bands who came along and snatched the crown back were American. The year I tend to think of this happening is 1983, when, for instance, REM and Violent Femmes released their debut albums. I remember that as being the first time in my young life that I'd found myself mostly looking to American bands (though as the decade went on, I'd say Australia produced more of my favourite bands per head of population than anyone else. None of them were prog, though.)
Well, not unless The Church count.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 25 2019 at 07:58
Lewian wrote:
The Camberwell Now album The Ghost Trade I mentioned earlier is actually Charles Hayward and Trefor Goronwy of This Heat. I do like This Heat a lot but I'd rate The Ghost Trade even higher, so if you like This Heat, you may like that one, too.
Thanx, I will check that too!
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 26 2019 at 00:43
So... by some coincidence, I happened to be listening to L Subramaniam's Spanish Waves album - fantastic fusion if not exactly earth shattering or groundbreaking - only yesterday. I think more than knowing where to look, the 80s was about concentrated pockets of excellence in some genres while the rest didn't fare so well. 80s is the defining decade of metal but jazz rock in general continued to be strong in the 80s. But R&B declined sharply and only for RIO (within prog) could the 80s be said to be a strong decade.
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: December 26 2019 at 08:42
At least I had Minutemen, XTC and Univers Zero...
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 00:59
tamijo_II wrote:
richardh wrote:
tamijo_II wrote:
This is the end of my list of what I find to be essential 80's albums, there is a lot more just picked those i think anyone need to hear before......
1986 - 1989
1986
Prog/Experimental:
David
Sylvian - Gone To Earth
Frank Zappa
- Jazz from hell
Laurie
Anderson - Home of the Brave
Miriodor – Miriodor
Peter
Gabriel – So
Talk Talk -
The Colour Of Spring
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth - Eat 'Em and Smile
Eurythmics –
Revenge
The Firm - Mean
Business
Hüsker Dü -
Candy Apple Grey
Megadeth - Peace
Sells...But Who's Buying?
Miles Davis
– Tutu
Paul Simon –
Graceland
The The – Infected
The Call - Reconciled
1987
Prog/Experimental:
David
sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive
Jethro Tull
- Crest Of A Knave
Marillion -
Clutching at Straws
Pink Floyd
- A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
Roger
Waters - Radio K.A.O.S.
Rush - Hold
Your Fire
Yes - Big
Generator
Other very important albums imho :
Bill
Bruford's Earthworks - Earthworks
The Cure - Kiss
Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
David Bowie
- Never Let Me Down
Robbie
Robertson - Robbie Robertson
Ryuichi
Sakamoto, David Byrne, Cong Su - The Last Emperor
Simply Red
- Men and Women
U2 - The
Joshua Tree
Whitesnake
- 1987
1988
Prog/Experimental:
Cardiacs - A
Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window
Dead Can
Dance - Serpent's Egg
Other very important albums imho :
David Lee
Roth – Skyscraper
Joan
Armatrading - The Shouting Stage
Queensr˙che
- Operation: Mindcrime
Robert
Plant - Now And Zen
Sade - Stronger
Than Pride
Sinéad
O'Connor -The Lion and the Cobra
Steve Roach
- Dreamtime Return
Talking
Heads - Naked
Tracy
Chapman - Tracy Chapman
U2 - Rattle
and Hum
1989
Prog/Experimental:
Birdsongs
Of The Mesozoic – Faultline
Horizont - The
Portrait Of A Boy
Jethro Tull
- Rock Island
Peter
Gabriel – Passion
Porcupine
Tree - Tarquin's Seaweed Farm
Swans - The
Burning World
Anderson
Bruford Wakeman Howe - Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe
Other very important albums imho :
Adrian
Belew - Mr. Music Head
David Byrne
- Rei Momo
Faith No
More - The Real Thing
Culture - Too
Long In Slavery
The Cure – Disintegration
Lisa
Stansfield -Affection
Simple
Minds - Street Fighting Years
The The - Mind
Bomb
Whitesnake - Slip Of The Tongue
and the eighties crash and burn . If Yes - The Big Generator is ever regarded as 'essential' then I am truly dead and gone to hell.
This is very typical internet: I'm taking time to make a list of +100 albums that i find interesting from the 80's, a very varied plate I think, with music to appeal to anyone's taste. You pick one album and PUKE on it.
NB: It is not a trade, the 70's won't disappear if you listen to 80's music.
I think you must have a different use of the word 'essential' to me. There are plenty of others I could have picked on like Rock Island for instance. You put your head above the parapet so what do you expect?
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 01:03
TCat wrote:
There are some great albums listed throughout this thread that show that prog never died completely, even in the 80s. I didn't see mention of Kayak's "Merlin" or Saga's "World Apart" which were also great albums.
Thanks to Logan for mentioning the often overlooked "Deceit" by This Heat.
Merlin is half a great album although certainly worth a mention. The 'reboot' around about 2000 when they expanded it appeals to me a bit more. BTW best wishes to Ton Scherpenzeel who apparently has not been in the best of health recently.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 05:56
Man, I have mentioned this before but I saw Gentle Giant live int Atlanta at the Agora Ballroom May 29 1980 with 14 shows to go before they quit touring. It was simulcasted on 96 Rock and a friend of mine taped in cassette which I copied to CD but both are lost now. Even though Civilian isn't a fan favorite it has one of their best songs. Inside Out.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 05:59
Sean Trane wrote:
maybe not as bad as I say it is, but it's still the worst decade since the 40's & 50's by a mile (and more)
of course there are good albums, but they're the exceptions that confirm the rule
At least in 40's and 50's you had jazz and classical
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 06:16
Oh hell I somehow skipped over Frith, FredGravity19791980Aug,,Nov.,Jan.
Roches, TheNurds1980May
Roxy MusicFlesh & Blood1980May (Not their best but has its moments)
YesDrama1980Apr.-Jun.(Not their best but has its moments particularly considering it was Yes meets the Buggles )
Captain Beefheart and the Magic BandDoc at the Radar Station1980Jun.
League of Gentlemen, TheThrang Thrang Gozinbulx1980Jun.-Jul.
XTCBlack Sea1980Jun.-Jul. (Not officially prog around here but I disagree)
Soft MachineLand of Cockayne1980Jun-Jul.
Frith, FredSpeechless1980Apr.-Aug.
Talking HeadsRemain In Light1980Jul-Aug. (Not officially prog around here but I disagree)
Jethro TullA + Slipstream1980Aug.
Bruninghaus, RainerFriegeweht1980Aug.
Zappa, FrankYou Are What You Is1980Jul.-Sep.
Metheny, Pat & Lyle MaysAs Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls1980Sep.
Muffins, The<185>1980Sep.
Eno, Brian-David ByrneMy Life in the Bush of Ghosts (Remaster)1979 Aug. -1980Oct.
Oldfield, MikeQE21980Oct.
Police, TheZenyatta Mondatta1980Oct. (for me this where they started to go proggy culminating with Synchronicity)
Zappa, FrankTinseltown Rebellion19781980Oct.-Dec.
Di Meola, Al/John McLaughlin/Paco de LuciaFriday Night In San Francisco1980Dec.
Dixie DregsDregs of the Earth1980Rel.
LaraajiAmbient 3/Day of Radience1980Rel.
Tibbetts, SteveYr1980Rel.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 06:27
King CrimsonDiscipline (Remaster)1981Jan.
Dregs, TheUnsung Heroes19801981Dec.-Feb. (Ugh a little commercialitis going on here)
Talking HeadsThe Name of This Band is Talking Heads1977 Nov, 1979 Jan.1981Nov.1980, Aug.1980,Feb.
Harrison, JerryRed and the Black, The1981Rel. Jun.
SynergyAudion1981Jan.-Jun
Dimeola, AlElectric Rendezvous1981May-Jun.
GenesisAbacab1981May-Jun. (Whodunnit haters get over it. It was meant as a joke)
Phillips, AnthonyPrivate Parts & Pieces III1981Jun.
Pastorius, JacoWord of MouthReleased1981Jul.
Police, TheGhost In The Machine1981Jan.-Sep. (more drifting into prog territory)
Byrne, DavidComplete Score from "The Catherine Wheel", The1981Prem. Sep.
Belew, AdrianLone Rhino1981Aug.-Sep.
Ponty, Jean-LucMystical Adventures1981Aug.-Sep.
Hackett, SteveCuredRec.1981Rel. Aug. (ugh a mix of commercialitis and some good stuff)
Metheny Group, PatOfframp1981Oct.
XTCEnglish Settlement1981Oct.-Nov. (this album for me makes them prog)
Wyatt, RobertNothing Can Stop Us1982/19801981Rel/Rec.
Glass, PhillipGlassworks19821981Rec./Compo.
Hassell, JonFourth World Volume Two: Dream Theory In Malaya1981Rec./Rel.
KayakMerlin1981Rec./Rel. (half prog album as pointed out earlier)
Budd, HaroldSerpent (In Quicksilver), The (Serpent (In Quicksilver)/Abandoned Cities, The)1981Rel.
Hedges, MichaelBreakfast in the Field1981Rel. (alas Michael died way too early)
Hine, RupertImmunity1981Rel. (I got this because it had Phil Collins on it)
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 06:31
Eno, BrianAmbient 4/On Land19781982Sep.-Jan.
Residents, TheTunes of Two Cities (Tunes of Two Cities, The/Big Bubble, The)19801982Oct.-Jan.
Dixie Dregs, theIndustry Standard19811982Nov.-Jan. (this would be the Dregs swan song for a while and they had two vocal tracks at an attempt to have some commercial success)
Jackson, JoeNight and Day1982Jan.-Feb. I didn't take Joe seriously until I heard a live concert of his. Turns out he is a big prog fan and it often shows in his music)
Jobson, Eddie/ZincThe Green Album, The19821983Rec./Rel.
Jackson, JoeMike's Murder1983Rec./Rel.
SkyCadmium(Cadmium/Great Balloon Race Excerpts)1983Rel. Dec. (copied from LPs hence the excerpts of GBR which was Sky catching commercialitis and adding vocals)
Di Meola, AlScenario1983Rel.
Holdsworth, AllanRoad Games1983Rel.
VangelisAntarctica - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack1983Rel.
Reich, SteveDesert Music, ThePrem. Mar. 19841983Comp.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 06:38
Skeleton CrewLearn To Talk(Learn To Talk/The Country of Blinds)19831984Dec.-Jan. (got to see them live they played two sets - one of album music and another improv. During the intermission the audience broke out into polyrythmic clapping between the sets )
Zappa, FrankJazz From Hell19851986(It got a PMRC warning label despite being instrumental )
David + DavidBoomtown19851986(Fripp influences here)
Carlos, WendyBeauty In the Beast1986(best of her albums I have heard)
Kansas Power1986 (you would have thought that Steve Morse joining Kansas would have resulted in some great prog. Instead we got commercialitis, still a good album overall)
Tangerine DreamCanyon Dreams1986
Budd, HaroldLovely Thunder1986Rel.
Glass, PhilipSongs from Liquid Days1986Rel.
Goodman, JerryAriel1986Rel.
Montrose, RonnieTerritory1986Rel.
Stewart, Dave/Barbara GaskinUp From the Dark1986Rel.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 07:27
Eno, RogerBetween Tides1987Jan.
Frith, FredTechnology of Tears, The1987Jan
Isham, Mark/Arte LandeWe Begin1987Jan.
Djam KaretRitual Continues, The1987Feb.
Tangerine DreamTyger1987Feb.
Jethro TullCrest of a KnaveRec. Early1987Rel. Sep.
Frech Frith Kaiser ThompsonLive, Love, Larf & Loaf1987Mar.
Phillips, AnthonyPrivate Parts and Pieces VII - Slow Waves, Soft Stars1983 Jul.1987Mar.
Metheny, Pat GroupSTILL life (talking)1987Mar.-Apr.
Hedges, MichaelLive on the Double PlanetJul. 1986-1987May
Akkerman, JanHeartware (1-7)Summer 19861987May
Dukes of Stratosphear, ThePsonic Psunspot (Chips from the Chocolate Fireball)432971987Jun.
Hassell, JonSurgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things ..., The1985 May-1987Jul.
Sting…Nothing Like The Sun1987Mar.-Aug.
Rypdal, TerjeUndisonus for Violin and Orchestra1986 Dec.1987Sep.
Goodman, JerryIt's Alive1987Sep.-Oct.
Summers, AndyMysterious Barricades1987Oct.
Jethro Tull20 Years of J.T.: Flawed Gems and the Other Sides of Tull1970-1987Nov. Rec.
Budd, HaroldWhite Arcades, The1987Jun.-Dec.
Bears,TheBears,The1987Rec./Rel.
Bears,TheRise and Shine1987Nov.-Dec.
MarillionB'Sides Themselves19821987
Mitchell, JoniChalk Mark In a Rain Storm19861987
Talking Heads"Naked"Rec.1987Mar. Rel.
Oldfield, MikeIslandsRec.1987Sep. Rel.
Sylvian, DavidSecrets of the BeehiveRec.1987Nov. Rel.
Hampton, Col. BruceArkansas1987
VangelisDirect1987
New Percussion Group of AmsterdamGo Between1987Rel.
Holdsworth, AllanSand1987Rel.
Ponty, Jean-LucGift of Time, The1987Rel.
Van Tieghem, DavidSafety In Numbers1987Rel.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 27 2019 at 07:30
Kaiser, HenryThose Who Know History Are Doomed To Repeat It1986/1987 Dec.-1988Mar.