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Topic: How I learned to stop worrying and love Trump!
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: How I learned to stop worrying and love Trump!
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 04:20
Ok, love is too strong a word, but the word tolerate fits. The world didn't end because Trump became president. We didn't enter into another Mideast conflict or get nuked by North Korea and the economy is booming. So, I have no problem with 4 more years of the Donald as our commander in chief.
 
Besides, with the country $400 trillion in debt, I rather have old Donald at the helm when the economy finally implodes. After all, who does bankruptcy better then he?


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 04:55
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Ok, love is too strong a word, but the word tolerate fits. The world didn't end because Trump became president. We didn't enter into another Mideast conflict or get nuked by North Korea and the economy is booming. So, I have no problem with 4 more years of the Donald as our commander in chief.
 
Besides, with the country $400 trillion in debt, I rather have old Donald at the helm when the economy finally implodes. After all, who does bankruptcy better then he?

the title of the topic alone makes me believe you are not being serious at all


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 06:01
Uh oh. Looks like an open invitation for the Trump trolls (i.e. Russian bots). Shocked

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 06:16
I, sir, am not a robot, and have passed many capcha tests as proof! LOL 

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 06:29
For me, even the term tolerate is a bit strong. I've learnt to ignore him. What this 'post truth' Trump/Boris/Brexit era has done to me, is to diminish my faith in human kind, and in politicians in general.

I used to avidly read newspapers and follow the news. I was a Labour party member, and generally took an interest in the political and geo-political landscape. Now I just think "F**k em" What'll be will be.

In a democracy, you lie in the bed you make for yourselves.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 07:33
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

For me, even the term tolerate is a bit strong. I've learnt to ignore him. What this 'post truth' Trump/Boris/Brexit era has done to me, is to diminish my faith in human kind, and in politicians in general. 
At least in the US, we still have idealistic politicians like Bernie, Mayor Pete and other Dems that do actually care about people. How well they can govern and fight against the "post truth" supporters is the question, even if they do get put into a position to lead.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 07:45
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

For me, even the term tolerate is a bit strong. I've learnt to ignore him. What this 'post truth' Trump/Boris/Brexit era has done to me, is to diminish my faith in human kind, and in politicians in general. 
At least in the US, we still have idealistic politicians like Bernie, Mayor Pete and other Dems that do actually care about people. How well they can govern and fight against the "post truth" supporters is the question, even if they do get put into a position to lead.


Jeremy Corbyn is an idealistic politician, who genuinely and is certainly to the left of Bernie Sanders, who despite what his critics in the US say, is NOT a socialist. Corbyn is unfortunately a hopeless leader. I think the problem is that the left, or relative left is out of tune with the Zeitgeist' right now. That may change, but things need to get unbearable for that change to happen, IMO.

Most people vote for who they think will let them keep more of their wages at the end of the month. Many will vote for those who they believe best represent them ideologically, but from what I can see, in the US, the dems stopped supporting the "working man" and started fixating on the Middle East and pandering to the middle class student, politically correct set, and lost 'blue collar' America to Trump, whilst being so up their own asses, they failed to notice it was happening. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 07:48
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

For me, even the term tolerate is a bit strong. I've learnt to ignore him. What this 'post truth' Trump/Boris/Brexit era has done to me, is to diminish my faith in human kind, and in politicians in general. 
At least in the US, we still have idealistic politicians like Bernie, Mayor Pete and other Dems that do actually care about people. How well they can govern and fight against the "post truth" supporters is the question, even if they do get put into a position to lead.


Jeremy Corbyn is an idealistic politician, who genuinely and is certainly to the left of Bernie Sanders, who despite what his critics in the US say, is NOT a socialist. Corbyn is unfortunately a hopeless leader. I think the problem is that the left, or relative left is out of tune with the Zeitgeist' right now. That may change, but things need to get unbearable for that change to happen, IMO.

Most people vote for who they think will let them keep more of their wages at the end of the month. Many will vote for those who they believe best represent them ideologically, but from what I can see, in the US, the dems stopped supporting the "working man" and started fixating on the Middle East and pandering to the middle class student, politically correct set, and lost 'blue collar' America to Trump, whilst being so up their own asses, they failed to notice it was happening. Correct me if I'm wrong.
That sounds about right to me. Being a decent person does not make someone a good politician.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 08:05
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Ok, love is too strong a word, but the word tolerate fits. The world didn't end because Trump became president. We didn't enter into another Mideast conflict or get nuked by North Korea and the economy is booming. So, I have no problem with 4 more years of the Donald as our commander in chief.
 
Besides, with the country $400 trillion in debt, I rather have old Donald at the helm when the economy finally implodes. After all, who does bankruptcy better then he?

I hear Stanley Kubrick is looking for a new writer, to do a new movie! He doesn't have Peter Sellers to do 6 or more voices, but thinks you might do!

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 08:08
Can't find fault with the perfect being that is Trump!! 


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 08:19
Trump is awesome but I prefer Kim Jong-un.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 08:19
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Ok, love is too strong a word, but the word tolerate fits. The world didn't end because Trump became president. We didn't enter into another Mideast conflict or get nuked by North Korea and the economy is booming. So, I have no problem with 4 more years of the Donald as our commander in chief.
 
Besides, with the country $400 trillion in debt, I rather have old Donald at the helm when the economy finally implodes. After all, who does bankruptcy better then he?

I hear Stanley Kubrick is looking for a new writer, to do a new movie! He doesn't have Peter Sellers to do 6 or more voices, but thinks you might do!

Smile
Big smile
Cool
Wacko 

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 08:21
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Trump is awesome but I prefer Kim Jong-un.
yeah, I mean, who doesn't love Lil' Kim? He's as cute as a koala bear!

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 08:26
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Trump is awesome but I prefer Kim Jong-un.

yeah, I mean, who doesn't love Lil' Kim? He's as cute as a koala bear!


He has a very slappable face. Those big cheeks...

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 09:59
Geez, what will democracy look like after Trump? Confused Just wondering.

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 10:09
^Being the "royal" dynasty it is, either Eric will be crowned king, or Ivanka will be crowned Queen. What's democracy?

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 10:11
Time for a real revolution, then! The king (or queen) is dead. Long live the King!!

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 12:38
It's a strange love, but understandable in a way. Who knows what would have happened if Hillary would have been elected POTUS?

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 13:44
Beethoven, Franklin, Newton, Shakespeare, Da Vinci?

Mere punks compared to Don's greatness.

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Posted By: Odvin Draoi
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 15:30
Glad to see you don't have anatidaephobia, or eruciaphobia here. Awesome guys! LOL


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 15:44
'Anatidaephobia is the fear that at any point, somewhere in the world, a duck or goose may be watching the person who is suffering from the phobia.'

Wow.




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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 16:54
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

'Anatidaephobia is the fear that at any point, somewhere in the world, a duck or goose may be watching the person who is suffering from the phobia.'

Wow.

this is in a way just the opposite then:


translation of the German text: the goose thinks "probably again no pig is watching" ("no pig is watching" is a German expression for "no-one is watching at all"). the pig thinks "great"


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 17:43
Trump sucks, vote Bernie.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 18:00
^ Bernie's the man--  excitement wins elections, he's got it.



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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 19 2020 at 18:13
^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 04:05
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.
I don't understand this logic of a no vote if it's not Bernie. That is the same as a yes vote for Trump. So, you actually prefer Trump over any other Democratic candidate. I don't understand it but it doesn't surprise me either. We Dems have always been our own worst enemies. I'm sure that most Republican congressmen and senators hate Trump but that group sticks together, no matter what. That's something that the Dems will never be able to do. That's why Mr. Trump is president and will probably continue to be for another 4 years.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 04:10
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

'Anatidaephobia is the fear that at any point, somewhere in the world, a duck or goose may be watching the person who is suffering from the phobia.'

Wow.


Yeah, I keep learning new things at my age. Unfortunately, they're not very good things. Confused

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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 06:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.
I don't understand this logic of a no vote if it's not Bernie. That is the same as a yes vote for Trump. So, you actually prefer Trump over any other Democratic candidate. I don't understand it but it doesn't surprise me either. We Dems have always been our own worst enemies. I'm sure that most Republican congressmen and senators hate Trump but that group sticks together, no matter what. That's something that the Dems will never be able to do. That's why Mr. Trump is president and will probably continue to be for another 4 years.


Maybe in another state it would be a vote for trump, but not in my heavily blue state. My thing is, I’m not going to vote for a candidate I truly don’t like just because I want trump to lose, or because I’m obligated to “vote blue no matter who.” If I walk away with another 4 years of trump atleast I’ll have my integrity and I’ll know I wasn’t pressured into voting for some lousy candidate.

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 06:26
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.
I don't understand this logic of a no vote if it's not Bernie. That is the same as a yes vote for Trump. So, you actually prefer Trump over any other Democratic candidate. I don't understand it but it doesn't surprise me either. We Dems have always been our own worst enemies. I'm sure that most Republican congressmen and senators hate Trump but that group sticks together, no matter what. That's something that the Dems will never be able to do. That's why Mr. Trump is president and will probably continue to be for another 4 years.

I don't really understand the "Bernie or bust" logic myself. I'd love to see Bernie in there, though if the Senate and House don't move strongly in the blue, Bernie's not going to get the things done he wants to. It's an imperfect world. I guess swallowing the pill of voting for the next best candidate doesn't come easily to some?

I'm not so sure Bernie will win against Trump either. The Republicans have a well-oiled propaganda machine and they are going to treat the words "Communist" and "socialist" as derogatory terms, like they have for decades. And they're going to make it stick to him and scare people (like they always do). The bizarre thing is Bernie is neither of those things. If any thing, he (and Elizabeth Warren) are the closest we have to what were once known as New Deal Democrats. They are essentially taking the ideals of FDR and expanding upon them. FDR's policies (plus labor unions) are one of the reasons we even have a middle class in the U.S.

The other "elephant in the room" is Vladimir Putin. Does anyone seriously think Putin isn't going to go through the trouble to rig the election for Trump? Anyone want to take a gander at why the Republicans aren't doing a whole lot on election security? 

Furthermore, on the rare possibility that voters overwhelming vote blue, does anyone think Trump will leave office peacefully? His favorite word is "hoax." Putin wants the American democracy to implode. He's got the right puppet in place for this to happen. We are now a banana republic. 


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 06:46
"Putin wants the American democracy to implode. He's got the right puppet in place for this to happen. We are now a banana republic."

How many of you are familiar with sputnick radio, Russian propaganda broadcast in the US trying to tear us apart.


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 06:48
"Radio Sputnik, a propaganda arm of the Russian government, began broadcasting on three Kansas City-area radio stations during prime drive time.

When commuters spin the radio dial as they drive through Kansas City, Mo., these days, between the strains of classic rock and country hits they can tune in to something unexpected: Russian agitprop.

In January, Radio Sputnik, a propaganda arm of the Russian government, started broadcasting on three Kansas City-area radio stations during prime drive times, even sharing one frequency with a station rooted in the city’s historic jazz district.

“Who needs a ridiculous Red Dawn invasion,” a participant in one online forum wrote about the new broadcasts. “Your overlord, Mr. Putin, will be addressing you soon, so it’s best to prepare now,” another commenter wrote, referring to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

In the United States, talk radio on Sputnik covers the political spectrum from right to left, but the constant backbeat is that America is damaged goods.

Sputnik’s American hosts follow a standard talk radio format, riffing on the day’s headlines and bantering with guests and callers. They find much to dislike in America, from the reporting on the coronavirus epidemic to the impeachment of President Trump, and they play on internal divisions as well.

On a recent show, one host started by saying he was broadcasting “live from Washington, D.C., capital of the divided states of America.”

Critics in Kansas City called Radio Sputnik’s arrival an unabashed exploitation of American values and openness. Those behind the deal defended it as a matter of free speech, as well as a simple business transaction.

Peter Schartel, the owner of Alpine Broadcasting Corporation of Liberty, Mo., the company airing Sputnik in Kansas City, said that he started the broadcasts on Jan. 1 both because he liked what he heard during a trial run last fall and because he was getting paid.

The deal was brokered by RM Broadcasting, a Florida firm that hunts for airtime to sell to Rossiya Segodnya, the Russian state media organization behind Sputnik.



Last year a federal judge in Florida ruled against RM Broadcasting’s owner, Arnold Ferolito, after he sued to prevent the Justice Department from forcing him to register as a foreign government agent. (Various news media organizations linked to Russia had already been ordered to register.)

The ruling outraged Mr. Ferolito, who said he made his first deal to get Russian state radio on the air in the United States in 2009. “They are paying for airtime and I make a percentage,” he said in an interview. “I am not being paid to represent the Russian government.”

Anyone tuned to Sputnik on 104.7 FM while driving across the historic 18th & Vine district in Kansas City, Mo., will find that it fades for a few minutes of music from KOJH — the call letters refer to Kansas City’s oldest jazz house — before Sputnik takes back over.

For years, Anita J. Dixon, a community organizer, dreamed of creating a radio station built around the music of such legendary Kansas City musicians as Count Basie and Charlie Parker. Ms. Dixon said having Sputnik dominate the same frequency was jarring.

Mr. Schartel disputed the notion that Kansas City is getting Sputnik instead of jazz. Radio Sputnik does beam its signal on the same frequency as KOJH, he said, but outside the limited geographic area awarded to the Mutual Musicians Foundation for the nonprofit, low-power jazz station.




Ms. Dixon still found it galling that Russia had gained space on the radio dial on the same frequency she had envisioned as a beacon for a black community that, among other things, had sent soldiers to die defending American values like free speech.

People ask how Russia managed to interfere in U.S. elections, Ms. Dixon said. “Because they get free airwaves,” she said. “It is called propaganda.”

Before Kansas City, Washington had been the only American city with Sputnik broadcasts — round the clock on one AM station and one FM station. Public disclosure forms show that the Russian government is paying more than $2 million over three years, starting in December 2017, for the Washington broadcasts.

In Kansas City, the fee is $324,000 for three years, or $49.27 per hour, according to RM Broadcasting’s Foreign Agents Registration Act filing. Mr. Schartel said he gets $27.50 of that hourly rate.

When it began in January, the Sputnik broadcast on KCXL was met with strong condemnation from locals. The station received a lot of hate calls, including a threat to burn it down, Mr. Schartel said.

An editorial in The Kansas City Star noted that the free press was a prime target of Mr. Putin’s attempts to weaken public trust in American institutions. “It’s sad, but not astonishing, that an American entrepreneur would put business above patriotism,” the paper wrote. “Listener, beware.”

Those involved in putting Sputnik on the air defended it as free speech. “I am not a bumpkin that fell off a wagon; I encourage people to listen for themselves,” Mr. Schartel said.

What was once Radio Moscow was reborn as Radio Sputnik in 2014. Mr. Putin backed the effort to create a central, state-run news organization — called Rossiya Segodnya, or Russia Today in English — designed to challenge the West’s global dominance on reporting news.

In a modern spin on propaganda, it focuses on sowing doubt about Western governments and institutions rather than the old Soviet model of selling Russia as paradise lost."

from www.nytimes.com

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 06:52
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.
I don't understand this logic of a no vote if it's not Bernie. That is the same as a yes vote for Trump. So, you actually prefer Trump over any other Democratic candidate. I don't understand it but it doesn't surprise me either. We Dems have always been our own worst enemies. I'm sure that most Republican congressmen and senators hate Trump but that group sticks together, no matter what. That's something that the Dems will never be able to do. That's why Mr. Trump is president and will probably continue to be for another 4 years.

I don't really understand the "Bernie or bust" logic myself. I'd love to see Bernie in there, though if the Senate and House don't move strongly in the blue, Bernie's not going to get the things done he wants to. It's an imperfect world. I guess swallowing the pill of voting for the next best candidate doesn't come easily to some?

I'm not so sure Bernie will win against Trump either. The Republicans have a well-oiled propaganda machine and they are going to treat the words "Communist" and "socialist" as derogatory terms, like they have for decades. And they're going to make it stick to him and scare people (like they always do). The bizarre thing is Bernie is neither of those things. If any thing, he (and Elizabeth Warren) are the closest we have to what were once known as New Deal Democrats. They are essentially taking the ideals of FDR and expanding upon them. FDR's policies (plus labor unions) are one of the reasons we even have a middle class in the U.S.

The other "elephant in the room" is Vladimir Putin. Does anyone seriously think Putin isn't going to go through the trouble to rig the election for Trump? Anyone want to take a gander at why the Republicans aren't doing a whole lot on election security? 

Furthermore, on the rare possibility that voters overwhelming vote blue, does anyone think Trump will leave office peacefully? His favorite word is "hoax." Putin wants the American democracy to implode. He's got the right puppet in place for this to happen. We are now a banana republic. 
The other elephant in the room is that Trump is stock piling the courts with inexperienced conservative judges, in Federal Courts as well the Supreme Court, at a record rate and will do so if he's elected again. So, even if when he's out in 2024, his legacy will last for last for another 40-50 years. And that's why we have to stick together and vote him out, no matter who the Dems run. Be it Bernie or his housekeeper.
 
As I've said before, we're own worst enemies. And only an act of God will make people see the light.


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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 08:43
I can't write what I want to write without being called lots of names, so I won't bother. Free speech is only free sometimes.

BTW, I wasn't going to wrote anything negative about Trump, my energies lie elsewhere. The USA got what they deserve in that they got what they voted for.   


Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 08:48
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Free speech is only free sometimes.  


Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being judged for the things you say.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 08:53
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I can't write what I want to write without being called lots of names, so I won't bother. Free speech is only free sometimes.

BTW, I wasn't going to wrote anything negative about Trump, my energies lie elsewhere. The USA got what they deserve in that they got what they voted for.   
Some of my best fiends are Trumpers. You're entitled to your opinion as long as you don't live in the Fox and Breitbart bubble. I like a few of things that Trump does, just not way he goes about doing them.

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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 09:25
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Free speech is only free sometimes.  


Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being judged for the things you say.
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True. And I never claimed otherwuse. However, some uncomfortable truths about Islam cannot be voiced without fatwas being issued and people being murdered.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 09:32
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Free speech is only free sometimes.  


Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being judged for the things you say.
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True. And I never claimed otherwuse. However, some uncomfortable truths about Islam cannot be voiced without fatwas being issued and people being murdered.
Yeah, it's only safe to argue about politics. For now, at least. That may change.

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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 11:46
If Bernie isn't the nominee, I'd prefer Trumpski over any of those other f**ks... Yang would have been my 2nd choice, but he dropped out. I can't stand Trump, but I can't stand the others more.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 12:07
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I, sir, am not a robot, and have passed many capcha tests as proof! LOL 
Speaking as a robot I am sick and tired of being discriminated against with these captchas...

 
For anyone who seriously doesn't understand what Twitler is all about I highly recommend Joy-Ann Reid's book The Man Who Sold America. In her introduction she compares Assholini to a Batman villain. It is so spot on and scary...



"Donald Trump seems ripped right out of that comic book supervillain universe.  With h is cantilever hairstyle, weirdly long signature neckties, bizarre syntax, and penchant for slapping his surname on everything he's connected with-from buildings and golf courses to bottled water, board games, and, for a to,e, a sham "university" that promised anyone could learn to be just like "The Donald"-Trump and the cast of characters surrounding him could fit right in with Joker, Riddler, Penguin, and Lex Luthor."



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 12:22
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.

Oh there's no doubt about it (except for not voting-- you have to stay engaged even if you're not thrilled about it).  Even with Bernie as the nominee I fear Trump gets another four.





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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 12:48
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.

Oh there's no doubt about it (except for not voting-- you have to stay engaged even if you're not thrilled about it).  Even with Bernie as the nominee I fear Trump gets another four.



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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 13:57
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.

Oh there's no doubt about it (except for not voting-- you have to stay engaged even if you're not thrilled about it).  Even with Bernie as the nominee I fear Trump gets another four.



You know David, we shouldn't sell Bernie short until he gets into a debate with Trump. I think he'd run over him. And that makes votes.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 14:12
^ Yeah Bern would eat Don for lunch.   What needs to happen is the independents swing to Bernie, "give him a shot" like they gave Trump.  



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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 20 2020 at 14:28
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Yeah Bern would eat Don for lunch.   What needs to happen is the independents swing to Bernie, "give him a shot" like they gave Trump.  

Clap Yeah buddy! Now you're talking! 

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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: February 21 2020 at 08:39
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.

Even if you don't want to vote in the presidential election, at least make sure to vote in congressional, state-level and/or local elections if they're held in your location. There's potential to bring about small forms of positive change (or at least avoid further harm) even if you have no faith in whoever occupies the White House.


Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 00:41
The thing that worries me more than Trump being reelected for another 4 years is him beeing reelected for another 8 or 12 years after that. I'm not joking here. Trump has remarked on this himself repeatedly.
The way is already set: all checks and balances have been disabled anyway, all key positions have loyal political allies installed, his critics have been all but disabled, the conservatives are standing behind him, he has no consequences for any actions to fear from anyone (see the impeachment process), so the road seems clear for any required alteration of the constitution.
The school bully has distributed the stolen lunch money amongst his friends and promises to continue doing so. What's to stop him? Elections? Dream on!


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 05:10
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

The thing that worries me more than Trump being reelected for another 4 years is him beeing reelected for another 8 or 12 years after that. I'm not joking here. Trump has remarked on this himself repeatedly.
The way is already set: all checks and balances have been disabled anyway, all key positions have loyal political allies installed, his critics have been all but disabled, the conservatives are standing behind him, he has no consequences for any actions to fear from anyone (see the impeachment process), so the road seems clear for any required alteration of the constitution.
The school bully has distributed the stolen lunch money amongst his friends and promises to continue doing so. What's to stop him? Elections? Dream on!
Well, I really don't think that he will stick around that long. He'll just get the Russians to help either Ivanka or Jared get elected after he's done.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 05:13
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ agree. Let’s be honest, if the nominee isn’t Bernie, we’re getting 4 more years of trump. And if the nominee isn’t Bernie, it’s gonna have to be a no vote for me.

Even if you don't want to vote in the presidential election, at least make sure to vote in congressional, state-level and/or local elections if they're held in your location. There's potential to bring about small forms of positive change (or at least avoid further harm) even if you have no faith in whoever occupies the White House.
This is absolutely crucial and something that I've been saying for the last 15 years or so. Both parties are guilty of laying down during the midterms. This is something that the Republicans know well and have countered with gerrymandering, voter blocking, etc.

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 05:48
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

The thing that worries me more than Trump being reelected for another 4 years is him beeing reelected for another 8 or 12 years after that. I'm not joking here. Trump has remarked on this himself repeatedly.
The way is already set: all checks and balances have been disabled anyway, all key positions have loyal political allies installed, his critics have been all but disabled, the conservatives are standing behind him, he has no consequences for any actions to fear from anyone (see the impeachment process), so the road seems clear for any required alteration of the constitution.
The school bully has distributed the stolen lunch money amongst his friends and promises to continue doing so. What's to stop him? Elections? Dream on!

I totally agree with you. Trump might even forego the election completely by declaring a state of emergency for some reason that calls for him to be president for life


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 05:51
^ With some of the Republicans claiming that he can do whatever he wants, as long as it's for the good of the country, that's always a possibility.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 08:20
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I totally agree with you. Trump might even forego the election completely by declaring a state of emergency for some reason that calls for him to be president for life

I, too, worry about that, with the conclusions of the Senate.  Cry


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 08:24
^ Don't worry my dear. As much as Trump thinks that he has the military behind him (and the bikers?!) that's a fallacy. They would be the first to show him the door if he was voted out and tried a coup.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 08:50
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Don't worry my dear. As much as Trump thinks that he has the military behind him (and the bikers?!) that's a fallacy. They would be the first to show him the door if he was voted out and tried a coup.
  Oh, thank you for that.  I do believe that is true, however, you can't help but wonder if he won't try pulling it. *shudder*

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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 09:19
It's obvious that Trump is already pulling that and has been working towards it since the beginning.  His overly large ego wouldn't have it any other way.  This is why he admires the dictators so much.  I hope that the military will not allow it to happen, but the military might be bypassed if things keep going his direction.  After all, he has mostly taken over the entire Republican party and is now telling his aides that he wants less workers in the white house and more loyalists in the key positions.  There is no doubt that he is already accomplished much in his take over.

I'm surprised that religious organizations stand behind him.  You would think they would be jumping all over the 666 symbolism that is attached to Jared, who I believe is the one appointed by the great orange one to share the monarchy with Ivanka when Trump dies.

Also, I predict another close race for 2020, and if Bernie pulls off a win, it will be contested by the Trumpian rule and he'll have the military so confused that they won't know who to protect.

But I also try not to worry about it..................




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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 09:59
Oh what I wouldn't give to hear Trump's concession speech. Can you imagine it? A cornucopia of venom and bile Big smile
Just for that alone a democratic victory would be worth it.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 10:22
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 10:26
Trump is big in India. I wondered if he tried to trade them beads, whisky and small-pox infected blankets.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 10:27
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Trump is big in India. I wondered if he tried to trade them beads, whisky and small-pox infected blankets.
LOL Don't give him any ideas Greg!

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 11:05
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Trump is big in India. I wondered if he tried to trade them beads, whisky and small-pox infected blankets.
  Maybe he'll die of starvation while he's there.  



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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 11:05
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Oh what I wouldn't give to hear Trump's concession speech. Can you imagine it? A cornucopia of venom and bile Big smile
Just for that alone a democratic victory would be worth it.
  I'm sure he'd invoke all of his usual suspects.  Dead

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 11:07
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

It's obvious that Trump is already pulling that and has been working towards it since the beginning.  His overly large ego wouldn't have it any other way.  This is why he admires the dictators so much.  I hope that the military will not allow it to happen, but the military might be bypassed if things keep going his direction.  After all, he has mostly taken over the entire Republican party and is now telling his aides that he wants less workers in the white house and more loyalists in the key positions.  There is no doubt that he is already accomplished much in his take over.

I'm surprised that religious organizations stand behind him.  You would think they would be jumping all over the 666 symbolism that is attached to Jared, who I believe is the one appointed by the great orange one to share the monarchy with Ivanka when Trump dies.

Also, I predict another close race for 2020, and if Bernie pulls off a win, it will be contested by the Trumpian rule and he'll have the military so confused that they won't know who to protect.

But I also try not to worry about it..................


  Sigh.  It is scary.  And I try not to worry, too.  But sometimes, I just do anyway.  Cry

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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 11:17
Canada is nice!  LOL

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 11:25
So I hear....but I'm too old for them and not rich enough.  

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 12:04
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Trump is big in India. I wondered if he tried to trade them beads, whisky and small-pox infected blankets.
Maybe he'll die of starvation while he's there.

he won't. he will have burgers and French fries flown in by Air Force 1

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 12:10
^ LOLClap

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 12:10
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Trump is big in India. I wondered if he tried to trade them beads, whisky and small-pox infected blankets.
Maybe he'll die of starvation while he's there.

he won't. he will have burgers and French fries flown in by Air Force 1
  You can't help but wish that bad diet would just do him in.  

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 12:13
I'm afraid that if eating buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast hasn't done him in yet, then nothing will! LOL

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 12:15
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm afraid that if eating buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast hasn't done him in yet, then nothing will! LOL
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 15:07
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm afraid that if eating buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast hasn't done him in yet, then nothing will! LOL
  No kidding!


Hopefully none of you tried his Trump steaks.  KFC can't do him in, but he was afraid to eat his own brand?  Dead


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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 15:16
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

So I hear....but I'm too old for them and not rich enough.  

Not rich enough?  Now that's hilarious! LOL

Now let's see.....where did I put that comparison chart I had.......


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: February 24 2020 at 18:13
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

So I hear....but I'm too old for them and not rich enough.  

Not rich enough?  Now that's hilarious! LOL

Now let's see.....where did I put that comparison chart I had.......
LOL  I was being tongue in cheek there.  In a way.  I couldn't afford to do it at this point in my life.  



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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 25 2020 at 04:31
Better red than dead! Bernie in 2020! LOL

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 28 2020 at 07:39
Question: How long before Donald starts calling the coronavirus a conspiracy by the Dems?

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 28 2020 at 10:47
^Probably on Sunday when he has his tweetstorms.

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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 29 2020 at 12:03
No equipment, faulty testing kits, no case tracking, unprepared staff and facilities, artificially dramatized by the Dems to harm Trump, CDC and FDA under gag order determining that everything must run through Pence's office although he's busy fundraising in Florida, and it will miraculously just disappear on its own very soon because it's just a hoax. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

China's pollution is clearing up nicely though. They've probably stopped using straws.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 13:43
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

China's pollution is clearing up nicely though. They've probably stopped using straws.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 18:10
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Trump is big in India. I wondered if he tried to trade them beads, whisky and small-pox infected blankets.

Ah no, sure, some right wingers appreciate him and there is a grudging acknowledgment that yet again it's a Republican Prez who locks up The Blob and its pro Pakistan policies (though, with what has happened in Kashmir and to Muslims in general since last year, I am not sure a pro India stance is justified anymore!).  But mostly it's like the Brits, laughing and poking fun at Trump while miraculously being fond of BoJo/Modi and failing to see the similarities between them and Trump.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 18:17
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

It's obvious that Trump is already pulling that and has been working towards it since the beginning.  His overly large ego wouldn't have it any other way.  This is why he admires the dictators so much.  I hope that the military will not allow it to happen, but the military might be bypassed if things keep going his direction.  After all, he has mostly taken over the entire Republican party and is now telling his aides that he wants less workers in the white house and more loyalists in the key positions.  There is no doubt that he is already accomplished much in his take over.

I'm surprised that religious organizations stand behind him.  You would think they would be jumping all over the 666 symbolism that is attached to Jared, who I believe is the one appointed by the great orange one to share the monarchy with Ivanka when Trump dies.

Also, I predict another close race for 2020, and if Bernie pulls off a win, it will be contested by the Trumpian rule and he'll have the military so confused that they won't know who to protect.

But I also try not to worry about it..................



Well, in the intervening time since your post, Biden and the Machine moved the cheese.  Got Buttigieg and Klobuchar to drop out.  Suddenly he is projected to win every Southern state barring Utah on Super Tuesday and fivethirtyeight has him possibly winning Michigan as well. 

So I guess there may not be a need for all this.  Because the weird defensive voting of Dem supporters on the Primaries will set up another Mondale/Dukasis whitewash.  I am curious about where this notion of a safe Dem candidate being the best bet comes from because every successful Dem President going back to FDR broke the mould.  FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama.  It was the safe establishment choices who thought it was their turn that lost.  Narrowly in some cases like Humphrey or Hillary Clinton but thumping victories at other times like the two I mentioned at the top of the para (and add John Kerry to the list).  Biden is 'electable' in the same way that Kerry was.  But whatever.  I have to live with my bigot authoritarian head of state for at least four more years, if not many more (no term limits here) and America may have to as well.   


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 15 2020 at 12:41
I must say that I've viewed Trump as an annoyance up to now, but a big one to be sure. Now I see him as dangerous. The worry has returned and the "love" has faded. Cry

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 04:16
Now that Trump has been woken up by the crashing stock market, he's gotten serious now and I'm mostly impressed on how he's handling things so far. He still claims his actions all along were "perfect" but what do you expect?

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 15:12
^It's like a rowdy, party animal cramming in for the final exam. Too bad he didn't do this two weeks ago. It might have saved some lives and maybe some of his precious stock market.

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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 16:02
How the politicians stopped worrying because prompters prompt.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 21:27
Well, the way he took it out on that correspondent for a perfectly reasonable question, an opportunity in fact to reassure people and look presidential, wasn't exactly, well, presidential.  Pence looked very much the part in comparison.  


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2020 at 04:13
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

^It's like a rowdy, party animal cramming in for the final exam. Too bad he didn't do this two weeks ago. It might have saved some lives and maybe some of his precious stock market.
I agree 100% but with someone like Trump, it's better late than never.

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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: March 25 2020 at 15:41
I don't get it. 

http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html

Sigh. I thought, if anything, this pandemic would reveal what's wrong with him to a broader audience. I was wrong.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 05:20
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I don't get it. 

http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html

Sigh. I thought, if anything, this pandemic would reveal what's wrong with him to a broader audience. I was wrong.
No, just more denial on the part of his supporters. And the churches are taking a financial beating right now. Trump and the Republicans are their only salvation so they'll stick with him no matter what.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 09:22
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 11:06
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

]No, just more denial on the part of his supporters. And the churches are taking a financial beating right now. Trump and the Republicans are their only salvation so they'll stick with him no matter what.

Yes, they believe he's sent from heaven.  I would like to remind them that that is where Satan came from, too.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 11:09
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

]No, just more denial on the part of his supporters. And the churches are taking a financial beating right now. Trump and the Republicans are their only salvation so they'll stick with him no matter what.

Yes, they believe he's sent from heaven.  I would like to remind them that that is where Satan came from, too.
Yeah, but they wouldn't care if he came from mars, just as long as he keeps packing the courts with conservative judges. Like my born again brother says, God moves in mysterious ways.

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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 26 2020 at 11:14
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 01 2020 at 04:26
Trump leveling with the public about the projected death rate of 100-200 thousand was a major step forward for him. He get's n 'at a boy from me.

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