Brave v Subterranea
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Topic: Brave v Subterranea
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Subject: Brave v Subterranea
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:08
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I'm pitching Marillion against IQ again. Two classic concept albums. Very tough choice for me, but for once I will have to go with Marillion, for The Great Escape if nothing else... |
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:16
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IQ sh*ts on Marillion from a great height... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:44
| Brave by far |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:44
| Not a big fan of either band, but in this case, Brave takes my vote. One of the albums I really enjoy from Marillion. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 08:45
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Brave, every day of the week, and I love IQ ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 09:22
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Brave is easily a top 5 concept album with Sub not sure making my top 10 for concepts, its a good album but Brave is great. -------------   
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 09:24
| Never really got into Marillion, I prefer IQ. |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 09:38
Hello fellow Essexboy! I'm also more of an IQ fan, although I do love Marillion too. IQ way more consistent, across their whole catalogue for me, Marillion have some albums that are, er, less good....
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chopper wrote:Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 10:20
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And it would help if Subterranea was spelt correctly... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 10:55
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Definitely Subterranea, one of my fave neo-prog albums ever.
------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 11:00
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Brave. Brave. Brave. Brave. Brave. Brave. Etc., etc., etc. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 12:27
 ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 12:30
it's not funny, don't encourage him.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 12:48
Both are not favorites for me by those bands...but I suppose IQ with Subterranea.....if only for some balance and perverse humor. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 16:20
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I love both bands and Brave is a superb album, but Subterranea is the third best concept album of all time (no prizes for guessing the best, but it has no vocals and is about a bird, and the second best is about an ancient Irish myth). ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 16:23
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IQ ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 17:14
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Brave has some great moments, but overall I still think Subterranea is a a better album in its entirety. IQ on this one, but not by much. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 20:49
| Two great albums but my preference for Marillion shows. |
Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 20:55
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Both are wonderful records, but Brave was definitely a more important release. ------------- Progfan1958 "Peace to you all" "La paix est avec vous" "Pax vobiscum" "Al salaam a'alaykum" "Vrede zij met u allen" "Shalom aleichem" |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 21:48
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Hogarth led Marillion is one of the few bands that literally makes me want to vomit Fish led Marillion is one of my favorite bands of all time and so is IQ Subterranea is one of the best neo-prog albums ever so i think you get my drift :) -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 02 2020 at 22:20
I agree with this sentiment about H marillion. God it’s unbearable and the fans just eat it up... Except invisible man that’s a cool song but that’s it! ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 00:12
I agree. IQ is not one of my favorites either, but at least can be listened ------------- 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 04:59
Amazing. I thought the Fish led band was great, but I think Hogarth has taken them to new heights. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 05:01
"literally"? really? wow... Whatever happened to people simply saying they dislike something?
 But I guess overreactions are cool, look cool on the internet or something... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 05:38
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Not a big fan of either really, but certainly prefer IQ to Hogarth era Marillion, which I find quite tedious. Brave bores and depresses me in equal measure. Subteranea gets the vote. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 06:27
I actually love misplaced childhood. I tried throwing on my script record not long ago and I wasn’t impressed by the production at all. I’m sure it has been cleaned up with a good remaster though. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 06:28
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And IQ is a weird band for me. I think Road Of Bones is a great, 5 star album. But nothing else has really grabbed me. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 06:50
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Posted By: DarkTower
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 07:58
| Tough choice. Voted for Brave |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 08:43
A tad extreme, don’t you think? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:48
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IQ for this one. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 12:38
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Brave (but I dont remember Subterranea). ------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: Clepsydra
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 16:55
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BRAVE and H Marillion IS THE BEST! THank you!!! |
Posted By: Clepsydra
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 16:55
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H Marillion BLOWS AWAY FISH!!!! |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 17:39
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Nice speech bro ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 17:46
Brave is such a wonderful album , they are both wonderful but I`m voting for Brave. 
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 02:32
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IQ ------------- I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 05:29
Yeah. Marillion were brilliant until they released script...the versions they recorded were no where near as OTT as the original songs...if you can get the friday rock show recordings, listen to them.. Far superior to the more commercial versions on their debut...a sell out that IQ took three releases to do... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 05 2020 at 01:45
| I'm not a fan of Brave at all . Even when I saw it performed live in it's entirety I was very underwhelmed. A few years later I saw IQ do Subterranea at the Astoria and remember being mesmerised by Mike Holmes guitar playing. The guy was ( and still is) a class act , just couldn't take my eyes off him! They also did Last Human Gateway as an encore so that was a memorable night. Generally I prefer anything by IQ over Marillion although I like both bands. IQ lost their was in the 80's when Nicholls left and they never recovered that ground in terms of popularity although it's kinda kept them 'honest' and I'm always very glad that they are respected for at least being persistent if nothing else! |
Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: April 05 2020 at 03:26
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Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: April 05 2020 at 03:30
my mind and ears are always open to anything Marillion releases because when they write a good song it's a great thing, Brave is a great album it's the type of album that requires several plays to reveal its greatness ! 
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 05 2020 at 09:05
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I'm going to have to give these a honest chance I suppose. I tried brave once and wasn't into it but as someone else said here, perhaps it will be a grower after several listens. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 05 2020 at 09:42
Stick with it. It is an extremely complex suite of music, with emotions at peak. Patience has its reward with Brave. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 05 2020 at 17:27
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Locked in as is the most of the World, I listened to both albums one after the other tonight. And my conclusion is that Brave is not quite as good as I remember it and Subterranea is even better than I thought, which I find hard to believe. The Narrow Margin is one of the best things in all prog. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 06 2020 at 02:08
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I haven't listened to Subterranea in a very long time, usually when I'm in the mood for IQ I listen to other albums - debut, Ever, Dark Matter, even Frequency got more listens. I am gonna try and give it a listen today.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 06 2020 at 08:10
Gonna give Brave a try tonight! ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: April 06 2020 at 10:48
It took me a very long time to appreciate Subby. Up to that point, I only knew (and loved) the Menel albums, was there the night the band split at The Marquee. When I got Subterranea I found it very difficult to get into, didn't like the new singer's voice at all! But "persistence, paid off in the endddd" and it's one of my favourite IQ albums. So many highlights, but the end section of Sleepless Incidental, and the whole of The Narrow Margin are probably my favourites. Hope you've enjoyed it today: if not, listen again...and again...and again....
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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: April 06 2020 at 23:45
this!!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 07 2020 at 01:25
I got no problem getting into it, I don't find it challenging, it is enjoyable, great songwriting and atmosphere. It's definitely a good album.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 07 2020 at 02:14
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EBIW...Aye, the instrumental ending of Sleepless is one of those music moments that is so visceral it raises your heart beat in the plateu phase of a karmic orgasm.... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: April 07 2020 at 12:38
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Brave, one of the best Marillion albums (against one average IQ album). |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: April 08 2020 at 08:21
Ah, but the average IQ album is very, very, very good....
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Posted By: GoliathTMV
Date Posted: April 08 2020 at 19:49
Great Escape is Marillion's best song hands down
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 10 2020 at 00:47
| I've always loved Seasons End , seemed a very important break from the usual seventies influenced stuff. But I remember getting very bored with their 90's stuff and had moved onto a lot more interesting stuff that was coming out in that decade. However I do have a massive soft spot for Hogarth and the recent albums have been more of what I like to hear from them. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:42
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Brave floored me since it hit the shelves way back when. Still love it, but I prefer I.Q.. Subterranea being a massive 100 minutes of concentrated effort. Been a long time since I listened to either.....need to change that. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 02:21
------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |