Whats the deal with Siberian Khatru
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Topic: Whats the deal with Siberian Khatru
Posted By: A Bard
Subject: Whats the deal with Siberian Khatru
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 12:43
| I never why this song got put in close to edge. Its not bad, it just feels out of place in this great album. why is their a disco epic in this album please explain |
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 13:15
Siberian Khatru never seemed out of place on the album to me... certainly not as out of place as (for example) Kings Of Speed on Hawkwind's Warrior On The Edge Of Time. Perhaps I'm biased because I prefer Siberian Khatru over And You And I. Also, I don't hear any disco in Siberian Khatru. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
A Bard wrote:Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 13:35
| I don't know is just that SK is funky and I dont think C.L.G and you and I have a very different feeling. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 13:55
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Siberian Khatru is the best thing on the album. Love that Mellotron !! Spellcheck doesn’t......AGAIN 🤬 |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:04
| Also I love it more than the title song (b-side is better than a). |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:14
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How to upset everybody on this website 101 ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:16
get upset?! let's all boogie to Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:21
| The song provides some variety to an otherwise very even album, and it's a great concert opener. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:28
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:29
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Pretty much rivals the title track in my mind. So many great Yes qualities in one song! ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:29
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:45
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Siberian Snafu is sub-par in comparison to the other two compositions on CTTE. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 15:10
Agreed. Nevertheless CttE tops my all-time album ist. It is still great. ------------- 
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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 15:14
I mean C.T.T.G
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 15:18
I get it !! |
Posted By: zeuhl1
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 16:11
I agree, always thought it rivaled Close to the Edge. Especially in concert.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 17:44
I second that.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 19:31
 this subject------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 22:10
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Great song. That does not mean the rest of the album is not great as well. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 22:27
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A solid track but I definitely like the second half of the song better.....but it's not 'out of place' imo. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 01:21
which again begs the question 'would it have been better served as an album opener'? I think if you flip the order completely it works better. Still a fantastic album whichever order the songs are played in though!
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 05:56
I'd go further. I never listen to side 2 of Close to the Edge. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 08:24
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I prefer the other two tracks but I don't see it as out of place. Or disco. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 08:24
| think its a perfect prog song--shows the genius of the band--there is a reason all younger prog guitarists find Howe such an inspiration--he can do anything---love how it goes into a harpsichord solo and mellotron is amazing too --love how the end is jazzy----and a young John Funiscante who would grow up to be a cool guitarist in his own right--said he was obsessed with Howe's solo over the end main theme of the song---taught him how he could do his own playing as a counterpoint and not just play solo's. |
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 08:51
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I don't accept the premise of the argument. Siberian Khatru is absolutely not "weak" or out of place. It is a masterful ending to one of the greatest albums of all time. The way that Steve Howe layers his guitar solo over the main musical theme at the end of the track is simply sensational, and has been influential on other top musicians. It is a more jazzy and upbeat track than the other two, but therein it provides the perfect counterfoil and uplifting ending to an album so typical of Yes, and so absolutely in tune with their style and philosophy. A masterful ending to a classic album. ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 09:32
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If only there were more "disco" songs like "Siberian Khatru". All of history would have been changed for the better. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 10:11
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What's wrong with it being a little funky? Squire is a very funky bass player, very hard licks almost slapping quality like Bootsy or Billy Nelson. -------------   
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 10:24
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Eh. And You and I should have been extended out to 22 mins and filled side 2....what a feckin improvement eh...I suppose I will polarise this thread as well...😎 ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 20:04
Picture this, a nine minute rendition of The Bee Gee's "You Should Be Dancing" replete with psychedelic guitar soloing, heavy metal drumming, and an extended series of gibberish choral stabs layered over a cacophony of sweet progressive madness to close out the track. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: April 12 2020 at 20:24
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Its mostly hidden funkiness under waves of progressive-ness (except the opening guitar bars, which are just funky--but that's your clue). I'm not sure that I'd ever associate it with "disco" though. ------------- Z |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 01:12
This and say Pink Floyd/DSoTM is boring  . I totally agree though. OP is new, and is probably on his own on this one!  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 05:19
No - I'm with him to an extent. Yes have never been one of my really favourite bands - I've always liked them, but not a lot, to paraphrase Larry Grayson - and I've always put it down to Jon Anderson's vocals and the lack of any meaningful lyrical meaning in many of their songs. But listening again to Close to the Edge, it's also Steve Howe's guitar playing. Whilst I can see that he's incredibly skilful, it doesn't engage me emotionally. The same is true of Allan Holdsworth, Robert Fripp, John Petrucci and many more superbly technical guitarists. They have no soul in their music for me. Give me the true God of emotion, Andy Latimer, Steve Hackett, Steve Rothery, Dave Gilmour, Piotr Grudinski and the like every time. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: judahbenkenobi
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 06:00
| I find nothing remotely resembling disco in Siberian Khatru. And I don't understand why someone objected to my review of Camel's Breathless because I find that album too disco. Disco must have very undefined boundaries |
Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 06:56
| i know this probably a dumb thing to say but whats the deal with Moon-child. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 15:52
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Is this the sequel to The Diary of Horace Wimp? ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 16:23
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But listening again to Close to the Edge, it's also Steve Howe's guitar playing. Whilst I can see that he's incredibly skilful, it doesn't engage me emotionally. The same is true of Allan Holdsworth, Robert Fripp, John Petrucci and many more superbly technical guitarists. They have no soul in their music for me. while I can understand the lack of emotion with Petruccu, Fripp---Howe has moved me guitar at end of And you and I---end of Ritual is stunning---on Remembering --Soon---To be Over---On the silent wings of freedom---at the end of Into the storm---find him very moving--he's not a blues player so maybe you are more moved by that sound---but sure agree that Hackett for me is the best.
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 16:36
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Siberian Khatru is a great track and sits proudly with the other two classics on the album. Always the best way to start a Yes concert too. Everyone's entitled to their view though, but I sense a bit of jovial provocation in a few recent posts by newbies, like a boy with a stick poking at the bear inside the cage. The exhuberance of youth! 😂 ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 17:57
I agree! Wakeman used horn-tapes for SK, and those are a Mellotron sound that was rarely employed! The Stanley Snail version is a fantastic mashup if you've never heard it! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 18:37
It's totally fine till it gets to the improv section, which doesn't suck, but has a tendency to make people impatient. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: April 13 2020 at 23:45
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I must admit, I never got the love for SK. I've listened to it over and over and still can't gel with it. This is probably why I disagree that CTTE is seen as the no. 1 prog album of all time.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 14 2020 at 01:24
Well if we're going to play the irrational worship of "gods" game:
The way you feel about Howe is how I feel about Gilmour. His patterns and use of pentatonic scale is nothing short of stock IMHO. He's a downgrade from Hendrix put into a progressive rock setting. Howe was always like a locomotive with almost no discernible influence. That's a true musician, especially a progressive one IMHO. It's all good. I can't stand Dark Side of The Moon. Like, at all. Yes, and CTTE is my top go back to prog record. Always.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: April 14 2020 at 06:09
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Steve Howe's industrial guitar style is probably marmite...He does play some haunting guitar parts, especially on TFTO. For a while he was my favourite stringsman....but Hackett has now floated (sic) back to numero uno...Stolt, Latimer, Petruci and Mike Holmes are in the chasing pack for third...I do think that Gilmour is VERY overated...but then I forgot Akerfelt...he is up there and the Riverside geezer and Andy Revell of TN....plenty of horses fir courses prog brothers...so hold your les paul high...😎 ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: April 14 2020 at 07:57
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Wow.. really the heresy thread to me! (as we're already playing the "gods game"...)Well, in my case, I love all the guitarists mentioned from the main progressive bands. And I sum up Steven Rothery from Marillion. Not my favorite era, but like to share this video I stumbled upon on YouTube apropos the recent date : ) I play guitar from many years.. and Howe always has been an idol to me.. maybe the top one. I've managed to play some things from him… mainly acoustic… Mood for a day, the middle piece in 'The Ancient' even Clap to some extent. But I like his electric 'raw' and rocky sound, his jazzy and fierce playing, etc. So, on the main subject, for me the deal is clearly a song that maybe could be seen as 'sub-par' / not as proggy / etc. at the beggining, when one is discovering Prog / Yes / CTTE.. but that ages very very well even to the extent of listening to it more than the other songs in the album. This kind of 'inversion' with the tracks happens to me on other bands/albums.. (I started listening 'Soucerful of Secrets' with 'Let There be More Light' and 'Corporal Clegg'.. to end up on 'See-Saw' and 'Remember a Day'). In my case, I always liked Siberian Khatru; but nowadays I never cease to appreciate its uniqueness, sophistication, rythm, fantastic vocals choruses, lyrics, jazzy Howe ending, etc. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 14 2020 at 13:34
| Siberian Khatru is indeed my least favourite song from CttE, and the one that has taken me the most to get into. Yet, it is still a great song, and I do love it... and why they put it there... well, because that's the song they had, that's the song that came to them to write and include, that's what their inspiration told them, whatever. It's still a worthy song for the greatest prog album. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 12:15
I think it may just be a river flowing right over your head.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: timbo
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 13:20
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I haven’t posted on here in a while. Topics haven’t changed much. (Putting head gently above parapet to see if it’s safe to come out.) Siberian Khatru? No I don’t get the love for it either. Pretty much always skip it these days. It’s the main reason CTTE is not my top album. Although pretty much all the top album candidates have a bad song or two: - SEBTP: I know what I like - Foxtrot: Watcher - Tarkus: Jeremy Bender Etc. Yes I did say I don’t like Watcher! (Swift retreat, not it’s not safe, not safe at all...) |