Why is anybody talking about R.W's Red Planet?
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Topic: Why is anybody talking about R.W's Red Planet?
Posted By: softandwet
Subject: Why is anybody talking about R.W's Red Planet?
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 08:35
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There's even any collaborator review on the PA's album page; why? ------------- So don’t evade the surgeon’s blade Cos the answer could be in your mind Maybe one cut and we’ll find We’re just a wavelength behind But we are entwined And I know what you need |
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 09:39
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I guess no collab cared enough about the album to review it. I mean the guy has put out 150 albums, so there isn’t much sense of anicipation when another one pops out of the machine. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 09:46
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Is it even officially out? It's not on streaming services and physical copies aren't released till tomorrow. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 10:44
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You mean why isn't anybody talking about it? Good question, apparently it was released on June 19th according to http://www.rwcc.com/notices/theredplanet.php" rel="nofollow - https://www.rwcc.com/notices/theredplanet.php but Amazon doesn't have it till July 3rd and it's not on Spotify yet. Looks like it's been delayed, according to Music Glue it's out on 29th June.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 11:03
Better question is why even talk about Rick Wakeman......."blah blah blah, I have ED, I wake up 100x a night to piss, I eat butter....." Poor guy... -------------   
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Posted By: softandwet
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 11:18
Oh my god, you're such a killer ------------- So don’t evade the surgeon’s blade Cos the answer could be in your mind Maybe one cut and we’ll find We’re just a wavelength behind But we are entwined And I know what you need |
Catcher10 wrote:Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 11:23
| There are copies available on Red vinyl, some signed as well. Very expensive. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 11:33
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 12:27
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If I remember correctly, there has been two threads about it already. The CD and vinyl is not even out yet, but the digital files were released a week ago. I have been playing the album many, many times already - it is excellent. I will probably write a review ... I'm sure people will be talking more about it here and elsewhere. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 18:15
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Here's why: The Red Planet is not "officially" out here in North America and South America and Japan (etc.). Those of us who ordered signed copies from RWCC don't have them yet. Now that that's out of the way, you CAN listen to it in its entirety online. And it's the best sh*t Rick's recorded in years!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 27 2020 at 18:17
 Read his two Grumpy Old Rock Star books. You'll want five more! (A third one is happening, too.)------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 00:09
| The CD and DVD set is £44 on Amazon. Not happening! |
Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 00:27
£25 on Music Glue: http://www.musicglue.com/rick-wakeman-the-red-planet/products/star-science-officer-star-the-red-planet-cd-and-dvd-in-deluxe-limited-edition-pop-up-packaging" rel="nofollow - https://www.musicglue.com/rick-wakeman-the-red-planet/products/star-science-officer-star-the-red-planet-cd-and-dvd-in-deluxe-limited-edition-pop-up-packaging Also available as just the CD in standard jewel case for £12 and digital download for £9. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 06:34
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Hmmm it is a wait and see what it sounds like before I review it myself ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 13:29
Never look on Amazon, Richard! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 14:22
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I figured a new album by Roger would still be big news.. but I sure haven't heard anything about this one. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:17
There's a thread over on PE, but I know you don't like going there. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:19
------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:22
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80$ for the double LP?!?! Sheesh! I've been debating getting the Opeth Orchid Reissue and new Kansas LP and those are really pushing it already at 35$ a pop. Sorry Rick, not happening. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:40
ouch man..you're right.... does that mean I have to turn in my saucepan and wooden spoon  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:43
------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:44
yeah man only if I have a bad case of insomnia man.. that site.. a joint .. a bottle of wine.. and yes.. a Genesis prog album and I am in la la land counting naked sleep ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:45
 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 09:50
| I do want to get this one, of course. However, what's wrong with artists? It seems they themselves want to push us to buying digital instead, with the prices they have been putting for several albums. $80 the double LP? and the CD DVD also very expensive... fortunatley in this case the single CD seems to have a right price, according to previous posts. But in general artists seem to be pushing it for those of us who remain loyal at wanting to buy physical. |
Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 11:04
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I purchased the digital download because this was released earlier than the physical CD, and I wanted to hear the new album as soon as possible. The price for the download was very reasonable, but it does annoy me a bit that if I would decide to get the physical CD release later I would have to pay for the same album twice. Still, I know I'm supporting one of my favourite artists. |
Posted By: softandwet
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 11:39
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^ I think that it's much of a label's decision than an artist's one ------------- So don’t evade the surgeon’s blade Cos the answer could be in your mind Maybe one cut and we’ll find We’re just a wavelength behind But we are entwined And I know what you need |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 29 2020 at 11:52
Vinyl is just expensive, period. I get it, if it's 180-gram vinyl. It IS going to sound better than the records pressed a few decades ago. But vinyl is going to remain expensive so long as it's fetishized. Music Glue made various packages available. All but one come with Rick's autograph. And the price difference for a jewel case CD without Rick's autograph was negligible. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 01:15
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 01:19
I like to add to my cloud music player if possible so that is always my first port of call. I have Prime membership and get free delivery so 90% of the time its cheaper for me. However I will occasionally buy from specialist suppliers like Burning Shed, Progrock.co.uk and CD services who are pretty decent (but charge me shipping costs!).
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 09:10
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Email from Music Glue relates that Red Planet (CD only) has been dispatched today, 30 June 2020, but the the DVD will wait because they weren't able to shoot the rest of the footage due to the pandemic lockdown. The DVD will be sent later. At the moment they only have 15 minutes of content completed for it. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 11:09
ED meds and butter are expensive.... -------------
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 11:17
Yeah, I read something about that on Wakeman's website: http://www.rwcc.com/notices/theredplanet.php#trpfaq" rel="nofollow - https://www.rwcc.com/notices/theredplanet.php#trpfaq
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 11:34
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^ Nice review on Red Planet Mr. Sky. I'm going to have to check it out. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 11:39
Records are not that expensive, Ricky is asking more than dbl the price for a 2-LP gatefold....ridiculous, he should layoff the crank. I just pre-ordered the new Tangent dbl LP for $27.00 including CD. Thickness of the record does not contribute to the SQ, that comes from the mix, mastering and the cutting process. I have 70s records on 100-120g weight that sound brilliant, it's because the engineers then were educated and knew what to do to make a recording sound amazing. 180g just gives you a more flat/stable record. -------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 12:27
Rick's never needed ED. He marries a much younger woman, instead. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 12:36
The Tangent is selling their 2LP/CD for $27 and I guarantee you they're not making much money from that. Rick Wakeman and Music Glue made The Red Planet available through various packages that were all priced differently. Not everyone buys vinyl. New single LPs sell at an average of $25-30. More flat/stable does contribute to better playback. But that matters little to me. I don't buy records. You can debate vinyl production with my buddy Dave. That's all he buys. He got rid of all his CDs. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 12:59
Thank you Steve! I'm glad you liked it. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 30 2020 at 16:18
Playback is different than SQ, I have warped records that still sound excellent, what you get with a severe warp is wow (pitch variations), but it can still have excellent dynamics and resolution. I don't need to debate records, play what you like and enjoy the music....but records rule!!  . Whether a band or label is making money is not my concern, that's their business, my concern is paying for my music.Today's prices for records is inline with the price back in the 70's, taking into account inflation...as everything else. I was paying $15-$18 for CDs in the 80s when they first came out, that was highway robbery!! -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 01 2020 at 00:12
the full message that was sent to me by e-mail (odd as I only ordered the CD anyway!)
Hi, I am so sorry that the DVD has not been included in this package. This is due to the lockdown and COVID-19. Myself and Rob Ayling were faced with the prospect of using the footage which was shot before the Lockdown, which would have resulted in approximately a 15 min DVD or waiting until after the launch event where we plan to over an hour worth of footage and lots more contributions from the other musicians, fans as well as behinds the scenes footage etc. We made the decision it was better to go with a far superior DVD, than to short change you with an inferior one and just blame it on COVID-19. From a practical point of view, Rob and his team will be mailing the DVDs out as soon as they come back from the pressing plant. May I take this opportunity to thank you for your support and I hope you enjoy my latest album, The Red Planet. Rick This message was sent from Rick Wakeman: The Red Planet via Music Glue |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 01 2020 at 03:05
I got this as well, happy to wait but they must have known a while ago that the DVD wasn't going to be ready in time.
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: July 01 2020 at 12:19
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Honestly, I'm not excited about the contents of the bonus DVD even if I absolutely love the new music. The interviews I've already seen online, and footage from some playback event doesn't seem very interesting to me. What I would like to see is concert footage of this band performing The Red Planet live. Maybe that will happen someday? |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 02 2020 at 07:24
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The Red Planet is Wakey's best effort since Criminal Record. (And I know that's not saying a lot...) ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 02 2020 at 10:26
Criminal Record came out in 1977! It's probably my favorite, too. Still, Rick's made a few fine albums since then, like White Rock The Burning 1984 (yes, really) Zodiaque The Wakeman & Wakeman outings (five studio, one live) A bunch of great solo piano recordings Return to the Centre of the Earth Themes Retro & Retro 2 (recorded entirely vintage synths and Mellotron) A bunch more live albums, take your pick Out There, a N.E.R.E. album that features Damian Wilson on vocals ...lots to enjoy!! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 06 2020 at 04:28
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My CD arrived this morning, not had time to listen to it yet but it is a nice package. To be honest the squiggle on the front could be anyone's signature, but it is the first CD I've ever bought with a pop-up centre piece and the booklet has some nice photos and facts about Mars. Here's hoping the music is good as well.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 07 2020 at 20:20
I agree he has done some wonderful music since. I like most of what you wrote here, but as a whole CD, I think Out There is among his very best. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 08 2020 at 00:11
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Pretty uninspired but exceptionally well produced. Out There was a much better album but of course that one had vocals. As a purely instrumental effort it does have some appeal , the bass player is great and Rick is okay but it's nothing to get excited about. I've only played it once though although not in any great hurry to play it again. It reminds me a bit of Oldfeld's 'Return To Ommadawn' which was also an average uninspired album. Inspiration has long gone. The seventies has long gone but respect to one of the great legends of prog.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: July 09 2020 at 00:43
That's disappointing to hear.
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: July 09 2020 at 06:50
With all due respect, after just one listen it is way to soon to have an opinion about an album. I listened to it every day for two weeks before I wrote my review of it, and that for me is less time than I usually give. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 09 2020 at 11:29
More so because I thought Richard would like it. But it's best to have a listen for yourself. I like it a lot. Best thing Rick's done since the Retro's. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 09 2020 at 23:22
Christ I would never force myself to listen to anything that much if I wasn't convinced. Nearly everything I've bought this year is clearly better. I have a lot of time for Rick and he is a great personality but this is not getting anywhere near the best thing's he's done.
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 00:29
Personally, I think The Red Planet is his best! But I'm not trying to impose my view on anyone else, I'm merely saying give it another chance. I too like Out There, but that was Rick trying hard to appeal the Neo-Prog/Prog Metal crowd. The Red Planet is more of a return to his classic period of the 70's. I predict we will see more positive ratings/reviews rolling in  |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 10 2020 at 20:22
I haven't been able to get The Red Planet yet, however, I did love Oldfield's Return to Ommadawn, and I thought it came back to Oldfield's 70's sound very nicely and with a convincing quality... so I guess I still have hope for Wakeman's latest. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2020 at 00:37
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It's consistent enough. Maybe for Rick that's a big thing
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: November 05 2020 at 13:22
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People are talking about it because it's the best thing Rick's done since Return to the Centre of the Earth. And I say this as someone who has gotten rid of more mediocre Wakeman albums than most people buy! The Red Planet is one for the ages!
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 05 2020 at 14:04
| Overall, I liked Out There better than Return to the Centre of the Earth, and I liked the Retro albums almost as much. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 05 2020 at 14:51
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For a brief moment there, I thought Roger Waters had a new album out, when I saw the initials in the thread title.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 06 2020 at 00:06
+1
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 06 2020 at 07:26
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Hi, Good thing that RW is not on my list of things to get ... I have at least 1,000 CD's to get before I even consider RW! For my tastes he makes a much better interviewer (fine shows with several folks!), than he does musician. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: November 06 2020 at 09:33
| Red Planet has a lot of great music, but I miss vocals and more variation in the songs. I know it's an RW album, but it's too much keys. :P |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: November 12 2020 at 07:41
The keys are the key to what makes his new album so wonderful 😎😎😎 |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: December 07 2020 at 14:51
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Out There is an amazing album and Damien Wilson can flat out SING!!! But who buys a Rick Wakeman album for the vocals? Asking for a friend. ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 07 2020 at 16:22
Exactly how I feel when I listen to Van Halen, i.e. too much guitar... ...not! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 10 2020 at 22:03
| Unfortunately still in my bottom 3 albums of the year along with Neal Morse - Sola Gratia and the Lonely Robot album. However it has been an exceptional year so that doesn't make it bad. |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: December 11 2020 at 02:53
LOVE Me. Wilson so might have to check this one out... |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: December 11 2020 at 03:03
Yeah, why ? I'm just listening to it right now and ol Rick hasn't lost it one single bit actually. Ascraeus Mons is simply delightful to listen to. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 11 2020 at 10:38
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^That's the version I got, too. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: triptych
Date Posted: December 11 2020 at 10:50
The pop up is fantastic to say the least :)
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 11 2020 at 13:33
Well, I love Wakeman's music for the songs, for the music, whether it has vocals or not. |