so you don't get out of the house.

Understood... 

Shopping must be awkward then

Yes, I get out of the house twice a day every day, but I'm not going to be forced to wear a muzzle to do my daily shopping. 

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So do all the shops let you in without one, or are you exempt?

Have you been listening to Jeremy Corbyn's brother?

Piers? No, his name passed me by a few years ago, something with weather issues. But it is not unlikely that I may share one or two views with him.

Yes Piers, he is apparently something to do with a weather company. When he was on GMB recently, amongst other complete b*ll*cks he came out with, he predicted that we'd have cold weather in winter. 

Ooh. hold the front page.

He also thinks that covid is a scam and is basically a dangerous headcase.

I don't think masks help that much either - the point of masks is to decrease the amount of air getting through, but even then there's still a huge risk of the virus being inhaled - the only way to stop inhalation of the virus is to stop breathing full stop, which is a health risk even bigger than the coronavirus. 

The main reason I wear a mask (or try to, as I will explain) is to encourage order and discipline. It goes from not wearing a mask to not distancing yourself from strangers, to not bothering about mixing with strangers, and eventually forgetting Covid-19 restrictions completely and carrying on as usual - most likely causing millions more deaths. Something you should be thinking more about unless you're a mad sadist.

I understand some people's point of view that the government forcing people to wear masks and do particular things is a breach of freedom and on the road to totalitarianism, but these are very exceptional times, and we are lucky that in this country (Britain, if others read this) the government is so divided the only major thing that has been done is Brexit, and that was after a 3-year waiting list (some may disagree with me calling that lucky but I'm comparing the UK with totalitarianism, remember).

As I have mentioned, I myself have trouble sometimes with wearing masks as I am asthmatic, and I sometimes find it difficult to breath. I once chewed a breathing hole in a mask and was fine until I realised it defeats the point. Sometimes I don't have breathing problems (don't know why), so I usually just hope that happens. But my point is, I try to wear them, so people don't think it's OK to just break the restrictions and do what they like, and to (slightly) decrease the risk of me catching/spreading the virus - so therefore, I won't try to tell you what to do but I think you should wear them, Paul. It's thoughtless of you.

Well, he was kicked out of the American Politics thread for similar insensitive comments with regard to his worshipping of Donald Trump.

Two points:

1. I didn't say masks are there to protect the person wearing them. What I meant, if it was unclear, is that masks don't prevent you catching the virus, and therefore they're not miracle workers as some people I know seem to think.

2. I said I try to wear masks, so I do not necessarily "put myself in harms way". If I have serious trouble breathing with a mask on I might have an asthma attack, and could end up in hospital anyway - and if I can't wear them I try not to go out so as to not infect others. Don't see what else I can do.

And I thought I was the one who didn't read posts.

Glad to know I am still champion of misreading!! 

As a rule, I agree with this.

Easy Money wrote: someone_else wrote: Preferrably none since I'm thoroughly done with the cojona scam. This Milgram experiment has been going on way too long. I choose breathing the fresh air over suffocating in my self-exhaled carbon dioxide. But in a setting in which those mouthmasks are required, which I try to avoid whenever I can, I prefer one of the masks me auld mum has made. A good friend of mine is in the hospital with Covid right now and she isn't the first. Is this part of the scam you are referring to?

Easy Money wrote: someone_else wrote: Preferrably none since I'm thoroughly done with the cojona scam. This Milgram experiment has been going on way too long. I choose breathing the fresh air over suffocating in my self-exhaled carbon dioxide. But in a setting in which those mouthmasks are required, which I try to avoid whenever I can, I prefer one of the masks me auld mum has made. I now have three friends sick with Covid including one in the hospital. Is this part of the 'cojona' scam you are referring to?

A bit repetitive and tedious, except maybe for the counter that multiplies by three in hardly more then one hour. And that's exactly what has been happening all the time: we have been deluged and brainwashed with cojona during the last seven months and more by the corporate media, who even go as far as committing character assassination on our king and his daughters because they went there-and-back-again to Greece, and such things cause me to react allergically. 

Part of the scam? Maybe, maybe not. It's not my part to judge such things: neither in my own circle nor 4,500 miles or so from my home. Nor am I counting the beds and coffins that are occupied by COVID-19 casualties. My guess is that, if I test positive on COVID-19 and I will be brought into hospital because I, as a diabetic, have a dangerous hypoglycaemia, I will be registered as a COVID-19 patient. Manipulating data has become a common practice, as with the climate (for which I don't need to look further than the nearest official weather station, some four miles from my home), so with cojona. Many victims have underlying diseases and the total number of deads here is less than that of the 2017-2018 season's flu. I may be paranoid, but the whole thing is used to impose political agendas, a "plandemic", methinks.

By the way, I hope that your friends will recover soon.

As a civil servant, I am bound to obey the law despite any personal opinions I might have. I would add, though, that it strikes me as being good manners to wear the things inside shops at the moment, if nothing else to not cause distress to anyone.

I wish them well, John. Hopefully they will make a full recovery.

excellent understanding of science here. You sir are a true champion of humanity. 

Then they made it not mandatory on the streets anymore as the study year started and slowly the mask wearing on the streets went from 95% to about 50%, and now it's gone so crazy that they've instated a new lockdown... Quite sensible given the number as not too bad for the life of a student (like I am). I'm still wearing them because I like the thought of not potentially breathing germs on on other people. Good to note for Paul and Robert: I did not follow any mainstream media to get here, you just have to realize the obvious fact that a germ is spreading around through breath (I know people who really suffered from it, I'm sure everyone does at this point) and a mouth mask obviously stops the fine fluids that come out whenever you speak from flying off almost completely... It's a bit harder to grasp for breath sometimes when you're exhausted, but then you can easily take it off for a second. And on the flipside, I can now stare into a crowd and lick my lips without anyone feeling intimidated! That's a first!

Anyway, to answer the poll question, are surgical masks the really simple blue ones they sell everywhere? I use those but rarely replace them since I'm not too afraid of getting sick myself compared to infecting others and I like how they easily bend to fit your face. I also got a washable one from a co-worker with the logo of the moving company we worked at on it. It doesn't fit as well but it is fun to advertise for a company that's 250km away so I still wear it sometimes...

Oh shush, some people criticized it and then that was a short news story. The guy has been getting criticism about his lifestyle every month for his entire life, everyone knows he's not a representative figure and this story really doesn't change much for anyone.

someone_else wrote: Part of the scam? Maybe, maybe not. It's not my part to judge such things: neither in my own circle nor 4,500 miles or so from my home. Nor am I counting the beds and coffins that are occupied by COVID-19 casualties. My guess is that, if I test positive on COVID-19 and I will be brought into hospital because I, as a diabetic, have a dangerous hypoglycaemia, I will be registered as a COVID-19 patient. Manipulating data has become a common practice, as with the climate (for which I don't need to look further than the nearest official weather station, some four miles from my home), so with cojona. Many victims have underlying diseases and the total number of deads here is less than that of the 2017-2018 season's flu. I may be paranoid, but the whole thing is used to impose political agendas, a "plandemic", methinks. By the way, I hope that your friends will recover soon.

Ah I remember arguing with you about the weather data, where you said that climate change is a hoax because they appeared to have not corrected a change in measuring equipment only between 1951 and 1961... I don't have the energy to look up comparison numbers regarding deaths but I certainly heard of an increase in overall deaths having very much set up by now, and of course the other main arguments against this is that the number of deaths would be much higher without the legal restrictions (just compare between countries...) and hospital beds AND hospital workers being overloaded, depleting the resources of medical care and making it worse for everyone if you want to actually properly treat all covid patients. And yes, I also know multiple people who work in hospitals, including corona duty, and they're not f**king around in there. They're doing actual effective, autonomous medical work to help this overload of patients.

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I did not say climate change is a hoax, I said man-made global warming is a hoax. Quite a difference, given the fact that the climate has always been changing and mankind has never been capable of warming up the earth with more than 10^-4 degrees centigrade or so.

I cannot account for the number of deaths, statistically attributed to COVID-19, but the measures are way beyond proportion in most countries. And yea, hospital workers are overloaded with work, with a few verbal feathers planted in their arses as a reward, but many others cannot do their jobs. And I have not yet heard of a significant increase in mortality rates in Sweden, where life goes on quite normal.

The remedy is worse than the evil and I'm sure that history will judge with a harsh judgement about this and some of the people involved when it's over.

I don't wear a mask, but I do wear a tinfoil hat, so people usually stay well clear of me in shops.

And the government also requested people to work from home and have banned large gatherings, not that different from where most countries were at this summer.

And yeah we should continue the global warming debate one day because I have lots to say but let's not derail this.

edit: Yeah I also have gripes some policies, I also would have done things differently, though I think my way (and probably also you way) would lead to more uproar and disagreement and who knows how that would have gone. Nothing wrong with being critical, but don't assume we're being brainwashed and don't tell us that light, fabric mouth masks will gradually choke us out.

How do you know he's not secretly a full paid up member of the Flat Earth/No moon landing conspiracy theory society?

What would be the point of such a conspiracy anyway?

Oh yes, it's so Bill Gates can inject us all with a tracking device, or something.

No doubt the Illuminati is tracking everyone's poops and taking them apart at special secret labs hooked up to the sewers to find ways to make us wear masks on our asses.

It's off topic so I won't pursue it but it would be interesting to know the scientific basis behind that claim.

A novel notion. I wear (or attempt to wear) surgical masks.

I want mine to have Bugs Bunny on it ... or on 2nd thought ... the Tasmanian Devil!

^ Maybe but the typical conservative, certainly the Trumpeteers, would say they'd like to see seatbelt & helmet laws rescinded. 

what, you've never seen Alien? 

No need to understand French to understand this clip, I think:

I wear the surgical/disposable masks they hand out at my work; I don't really want to turn disease prevention into a fashion statement. Masks are purely utilitarian for me; they're a slight inconvenience and I use them to respect people around me, not because they're fun and trendy.

I wear one all day at work except when I'm eating in the break room; I'm running around in steel-toes (which are much less comfortable form of PPE) and lifting heavy things, so if masks are somehow depriving me of oxygen, apparently they aren't working well enough to prevent me from doing my job. My asthmatic dad has no problem breathing with them either. But I know how you guys feel, I used to find turtlenecks uncomfortable and restrictive, but eventually I grew older than 5 and now they're fine.

Wear a f*cking mask. The pandemic is spiking in several states because of stupid people incapable of following simple rules (like wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands, etc.). It's not for you, selfish pr*cks, it's for everyone else. If you are in a store and not wearing one, I will escort your sorry a** out myself.

Hi,

I'll join you ... the reckless side of many folks in this situation is insane ... and seeing someone in some big house not use it either, doesn't make it any better!

I can’t really comment on American law and practice, but over here in Blighty it is not the t**sers who refuse to wear masks stopping me going to a gig, but the t**sers who make the laws.

Entertainment venues, pubs, restaurants, community centres, community sporting activities (although not the professional football and rugby behind closed doors), all shops excepting essential food outlets are being closed for 17 days from tomorrow in Wales, and in many Tier 3 areas in England.

Everything that makes life rather fun.

All for a virus that you have a 99.5% minimum chance of not dying from. A lot of the most seriously affected people in this country by the restrictions are young adults, who have more chance of being run over by Captain Kirk than dying from this lurgy.

These laws are being enforced in Wales in areas which have barely any cases, areas such as the one I live in, for purely political reasons because the opposition leader in London is demanding the same in England.

No nuance. No common sense. State socialism in all but name. The ruination of many decent small businesses and low paid workers being plunged into poverty, all in the name of extraordinarily loose “science”.

Bloody disgraceful really, but, as I said before, I will continue to wear my bloody mask, because that is what the law tells me to do.

It is perfectly possible for reasonable, decent, intelligent people to disagree over this subject.

It doesn’t make us all t**sers 

A chap who rubs his genitalia extremely vigorously whilst listening to David Cassidy albums until a wet patch appears in his Spider-Man pants........

urgh...

what's the actual word, who's gonna get offended? I'm not a native speaker. 

The actual word is toss (er), as in tossing the caber. 

I suppose the people who would get offended are precisely those who get offended by its more well known relation, Mr w**ker.

In order to avoid offensive words, we could, of course, also make reference to “beating the meat”, which should avoid Grandma Max’s censorious program.

I suspect that this exchange of views will lead to a plea in the Collab Zone to lock this thread and protect more sensitive souls from this incredibly disgraceful and offensive behaviour.

Bless........

ok, thanks.

Such a variety of vocabulary expressions  for this particular activity... 

Wait until I start a thread which discusses the numerous words we could use to adequately describe the act of two persons of the opposite sex rubbing themselves together in the act gloriously originated by the Good Lord to enable animal and human kind to procreate 

And discussion here is quite educational for me. 

 

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Hi,

I have to ask Neddie Seagoon about that ... I'm sure he would let us know the odds are better than someone walking across the river on crocodiles!

Btw ... what time is it? ... I got it here written on a piece of paper! Seems to be the mentality of the t___ers you guys are talking about!

I am fully aware of the purpose of the laws. They will never stop the spread of a virus, only suppress it a bit until such time as there is either a cure (which nobody believes will happen) or a vaccine which provides for sufficient herd immunity, which is also not a shoo-in by any stretch of the imagination.

The only effective way to stop the spread, rather than suppress it, is a full and total lockdown for an extended period and an effective localised testing and tracing system, a la China.

The first is not particularly desirable, and Western nations, especially yours and mine, seem incapable of putting the latter into effect.

I know that I am in a minority when it comes to the deadlines of this virus, but I am by no means a lone voice.

BTW, turning to Steve G’s comments, I would rather insert a 10 foot pole up my anus than vote for Trumpalot. As I have said many times before, it is perfectly possible to have rational and intelligent arguments between opposing views without descending into “redneck” territory.

I have been consistent throughout in my view that the measures put in place by my country and others will lead in the mid and long term to a damned sight more damage, including deaths, than this virus ever could. In historical terms, this pandemic is exceptionally mild.

People are more than welcome to disagree with me, and I respect those views as much as I expect respect for mine. That is what debating forums are for.

To quote you, Steve, the same mentality that put Trump in office.

I do, of course, offer fulsome apologies to any rednecks who might visit this forum, and took offence at my comments.