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Topic: A cross between Drama and 90125?
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: A cross between Drama and 90125?
Date Posted: February 03 2021 at 21:13
I was thinking about this the other day. I was wondering what would it sound like if there was an album that was released by Yes or Yes related members in between Drama and 90125. Yes, I know 90125 was built from the ground up by former members of Yes and not intended originally to be Yes but for the sake of argument let's pretend there was an unreleased album that had the lineup of say Downes, Rabin, Anderson, Squire and White. So what I'm wondering is what actual albums sound like they would qualify for this? Moving Pictures by Rush? Nah, not really. An album by Saga maybe. What do you guys come up with?

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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 03 2021 at 23:14
It'd probably be a b*****d love child album that everyone skips LOL.

For real, I have no idea. I love Drama and enjoy 90125 so I'm probably the wrong one to ask.


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 03 2021 at 23:35
Both those albums are pretty sweet, so an amalgamation of the two would be ay-ok around here

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 02:24
Drama is one of my favourite Yes albums, and 90125 one of my least favourite. Iím struggling to imagine how a combination of the two might sound. 😳🤔🤷🏻‍♂️



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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 04:06
Owner of a Lonely Heart was the song that introduced me to the music of YES, and 90125 was the only YES studio album I ever Owned on vinyl, so it has a special place in my Lonely Heart. Heart
 
As for the Drama album, Does It Really Happen that an album can completely pass you by at the time of its release? Yes, It Can Happen. Smile


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 05:06
Ever I missing the point of the question or Iím in the twilight zone now... woot woot woot itís to mind boggling to even think about it. Ouch! My 🧠 is on 💥‼️Itís time for me to exit the post...

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 06:04
Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Ever I missing the point of the question or Iím in the twilight zone now... woot woot woot itís to mind boggling to even think about it. Ouch! My 🧠 is on 💥‼️Itís time for me to exit the post...
Must be the effect of the Covid lockdown.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 07:18
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Ever I missing the point of the question or Iím in the twilight zone now... woot woot woot itís to mind boggling to even think about it. Ouch! My 🧠 is on 💥‼️Itís time for me to exit the post...
Must be the effect of the Covid lockdown.

If you're referring to my original inquiry, no I always think of crazy crap like this(even before the lockdown).Wink TongueLOL


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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 07:27
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 07:40
I think the short answer is if Trevor Rabin is involved it would sound a lot like 90125 unless they agreed to split up the song writing. That's know a knock on him, but from what I heard he's a bit of a control freak.   


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 07:56
Isn't that kind of what Fly From Here is?  

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 09:55
I wouldn't say it would sound like this, but a good parallel might be Genesis' Abacab album. 

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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 10:35
Drama + 90125 = Asia

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 13:02
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Drama + 90125 = Asia

Not quite. LOL I knew someone was going to mention Asia though.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 14:03
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I was thinking about this the other day. I was wondering what would it sound like if there was an album that was released by Yes or Yes related members in between Drama and 90125. Yes, I know 90125 was built from the ground up by former members of Yes and not intended originally to be Yes but for the sake of argument let's pretend there was an unreleased album that had the lineup of say Downes, Rabin, Anderson, Squire and White. So what I'm wondering is what actual albums sound like they would qualify for this? Moving Pictures by Rush? Nah, not really. An album by Saga maybe. What do you guys come up with?

It happened, and it's a great album.




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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 14:04
I find both good as they are.


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 14:39
A lot of DRAMA for a thread about a band with such a positive name..YES?


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 14:40
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

A lot of DRAMA for a thread about a band with such a positive name..YES?

LOL




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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 15:47
Yes - Howe + the Buggles = Cinema; Cinema + Howe - (Squire + Anderson) + (corporate arena rock ethics) = Asia

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 16:02
It might've been Union-ish .





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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 16:02
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It might've been Union-ish .




Maybe.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 17:22
Big smile

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I was thinking about this the other day. I was wondering what would it sound like if there was an album that was released by Yes or Yes related members in between Drama and 90125. Yes, I know 90125 was built from the ground up by former members of Yes and not intended originally to be Yes but for the sake of argument let's pretend there was an unreleased album that had the lineup of say Downes, Rabin, Anderson, Squire and White. So what I'm wondering is what actual albums sound like they would qualify for this? Moving Pictures by Rush? Nah, not really. An album by Saga maybe. What do you guys come up with?

It happened, and it's a great album.




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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 18:03
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 18:14
I feel like 90125 is a lot more progressive than people give it credit for. The production value at the very least deserves a nod.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 18:46
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I feel like 90125 is a lot more progressive than people give it credit for. The production value at the very least deserves a nod.

Personally, I like it a lot. And I like all the albums before it. "It Can Happen" is a great song.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 20:05
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I feel like 90125 is a lot more progressive than people give it credit for. The production value at the very least deserves a nod.

It's progressive in a different way than the 70's stuff if that makes sense. 


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 20:13
I don't know about an album between both of them with that line-up, but about songs that might have been released at that point, there's the songs that ended up in the Fly From Here suite, that were written since back then (by Trevor Horn, I guess), but were not released at the time. Another one is Mind Drive, that had a part written at about that time too for the XYZ project with Jimmy Page, which never happened.


Posted By: vmartell
Date Posted: February 06 2021 at 03:22
Fantastic! I was scanning to see if someone made the post/suggestion re: Eddie Jobson's Zinc! :D 

Indeed - the middle ground between Drama and 90125

v

(First post btw)



Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 06 2021 at 08:35
Originally posted by vmartell vmartell wrote:

Fantastic! I was scanning to see if someone made the post/suggestion re: Eddie Jobson's Zinc! :D 

Indeed - the middle ground between Drama and 90125

v

(First post btw)

Welcome aboard! What can I say...great minds!


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Posted By: Snareman
Date Posted: February 06 2021 at 08:43
Most likely, one side of the vinyl would have drama style prog, (possibly a 20 minute suite) and the other side would be filled with radio friendly pop rock akin to 90125.


Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 11:48
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I feel like 90125 is a lot more progressive than people give it credit for. The production value at the very least deserves a nod.

Personally, I like it a lot. And I like all the albums before it. "It Can Happen" is a great song.

I'm convinced the only reason 90125 is reviewed with such faint praise on this site is because 2 songs made the Top 40 and the band received massive exposure on MTV.

90125 became the "gateway drug" to introduce younger fans to the band, who went out and bought the earlier albums (such as I did) and loved them, even though Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin have vastly different guitar styles. 37 years after its release, 90125 remains my favorite rock album of all time.

It's the albums that came out AFTER 90125 that are problematic! 


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 14:26
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I feel like 90125 is a lot more progressive than people give it credit for. The production value at the very least deserves a nod.

Personally, I like it a lot. And I like all the albums before it. "It Can Happen" is a great song.

I'm convinced the only reason 90125 is reviewed with such faint praise on this site is because 2 songs made the Top 40 and the band received massive exposure on MTV.

90125 became the "gateway drug" to introduce younger fans to the band, who went out and bought the earlier albums (such as I did) and loved them, even though Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin have vastly different guitar styles. 37 years after its release, 90125 remains my favorite rock album of all time.

That's right!

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

It's the albums that came out AFTER 90125 that are problematic!

True, until we get to Keys to Ascension. Then we're back in business.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 15:03
A cross between Drama and 90125?

It looks like what comes up when you mix beer and cinnamon schnapps.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 17:57
Scroll to the top of the page, Elf!

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 26 2021 at 01:38
I still prefer Talk to 90125 but hey ho.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 26 2021 at 02:41
Both are excellent albums in their own right, and I very much like the idea of an album in between the two, with Anderson back in the fold, but Trevor Horn in the production seat. Could have been very interesting.

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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 03 2021 at 15:00
A cross between Drama and 90125?

I immediately thought 'Talk' but then I read the limitations of the opening post....

But I still think the correct answer is 'Talk' Wink


Posted By: MrMan2000
Date Posted: April 12 2021 at 21:27
Only thing that pops to mind is GTR. A short-lived band featuring both Steve Howe and Steve Hackett, they embraced what I'd call "prog pop".  I guess another would be Asia.  Essentially all of those releases (Drama, 90125, Asia, GTR) fall under "prog pop" which is such a contradiction in terms it's hysterical.  

Thing is, I consider all of them to range from "meh...pretty good" (Asia, GTR) to "yeah, that's cool" (90125) to "hell yes!" (Drama). 


Posted By: MrMan2000
Date Posted: April 12 2021 at 21:29
Unlike many hardcore Yes fans I have no problem with 90125. Probably bc I was 17 when it came out and loved it immediately and got to see the band live where they played all the classics. So I will always have a soft spot in my heart for it. 

Big Generator?  Now that's pure crap. 


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 00:48
Big Generator is the only Yes album that I legit forget it a Yes album.

It successfully isolates itself out of my ear range; Talk stands out more for me, lol.

As for this thread's original premise, it's probably a good thing we can't come to a conclusion LOL.

Drama is still my favorite "post-Yes" (OG lineup) record...for the record! Cool


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 00:59
I'm all alone. I adore Big Generator. 


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 09:17
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

A cross between Drama and 90125?

I immediately thought 'Talk' but then I read the limitations of the opening post....

But I still think the correct answer is 'Talk' Wink

Check out my Jobson post a few replies back. Wink

Originally posted by MrMan2000 MrMan2000 wrote:

Only thing that pops to mind is GTR. A short-lived band featuring both Steve Howe and Steve Hackett, they embraced what I'd call "prog pop".  I guess another would be Asia.

The much-anticipated GTR was quite forgettable. The only reason I even bought the thing at the time was because somebody had erroneously told me it was an instrumental album! LOL (Of course, the cover sticker for "When the Heart Rules the Mind" disproved that notion instantly.)

Again, please refer to Eddie Jobson's Zinc Ė The Green Album. I posted the videoclip. Wink


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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 09:56
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I'm all alone. I adore Big Generator. 
No, you're not. I love the album. Screw the naysayers!


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 10:28
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I'm all alone. I adore Big Generator. 
No, you're not. I love the album. Screw the naysayers!

Same here. However, I feel that could partly because it was a highly anticipated album for me at the time and also I was  relatively new to the band. BG was also the first tour I saw for them so there was that raw excitement also. I saw them twice on that tour. 


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 11:00
How can anyone dislike "Shoot High Aim Low" and "Final Eyes"?

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