The second samples "knots" by Gentle Giant. I'm not sure about the third one but I think it might be Caravan.

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No idea. I tried to find it on the sampled website that I posted earlier but I couldn't seem to find it. It might not even be prog but I agree it could be.

I sincerely doubt that. It might be the case with some hip hop artists, just as in some cases within pop and rock the producer has a greater say in how the music should be played. But every one of the hip hop artists I listen to choose their own samples. Given how important the samples often are to the finished product, I’m fairly certain that in almost every instance it is the artist and not the producer who has chosen the sample.

Danny Brown's album Atrocity Exhibition has a bunch of Prog samples

How do you know they choose the samples? Did they say that somewhere? 

Yes. 🤗

Either in interviews I’ve read, or seen, or it’s described in some of the books I’ve read. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, that it is a producer who sometimes provides the sample, but I suspect that is by far a very small percentage.

If there’s a DJ within the group, or associated with an MC, then more often than not the samples will fall to him/her (which again, is nothing like the same thing as suggesting it is some outside source like a producer). But when it’s an MC alone, from what I’ve seen (anecdotal evidence only, so I’m not staking the claim to be the expert at all, and willing to accede to any evidence that shows otherwise), the MC chooses their own samples.

I should also note, that I’m not really anywhere near as familiar with the US hip hop artists as I am with those from the NZ scene. And perhaps, because a far more DIY ethos is required in NZ, that is why they are choosing their own samples. But it strikes me as a part of their music the artist would want to have control over. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I understand. I just don't see how many if not most of them would have the time to discover prog out of all the different kinds of music out there unless they were already familiar with it and it seems unlikely that most of these younger hip hop artists having more of a background in rap and hip hop would even be exposed to it in the first place. So that's why I thought a producer or someone would be the person who goes through all the music out there and finds stuff for them. Then again maybe some guy heard Kanye West's sample of KC and said to himself "King Crimson? Oh and they are prog rock? What other prog rock is out there" and it just kind of snowballed from there. Then the question becomes how did Kanye find out about King Crimson in the first place? It's not like they are popular or played on the radio? Did Kanye's brother's friend's dad have a copy of ITCOTCK in his attic somewhere?

A dj isn't necessarily the same thing as a rapper. In fact, in the early days at least, they were distinctly different. You had rappers and you had djs.

However, I agree. It could be the djs(if not the producers)who bring the music to the rapper's attention.

I think the person who started this thread wanted people to post hip hop samples on here. I don't think there is such a thing as "post hip hop." My earlier comment was more or less a joke. 

The other thing is, again now from the interviews I’ve read and seen from the hip hop artists I know and like, they like to deliberately choose music to sample that is lesser known. You either want something instantly recognisable, or something that works because most of the audience don’t or won’t recognise it. Often age works against the artist. There was a huge hit by a NZ group that sampled a well-known Style Council song, which not one of the group knew had ever been well-known, because it was before their time. They only found out after the release of the song that the song had been a hit, and they were initially quite embarrassed, though they laughed it off afterwards.

But anyway, my point is that it’s entirely possible that these MCs and DJs are deliberately crate digging through prog titles, because they don’t expect their audience to recognise from where the samples come from. You don’t have to know the music to crate dog within a genre. And they can probably pull out any old prog record and find something to sample - and that’s exactly what they do. Doesn’t mean they like or appreciate the music (though that’s not impossible). Doesn’t even mean they know the music. It just means they recognise how they can use the music, within their own music.

And with all the above, I hope you can see why I tend to think it is not the producer who is choosing the samples.

Are they sampling the first Black Sabbath album too? That's almost as scary. What about the first Led Zeppelin album with it's burning blimp? There's a lot of album covers over the years that stand out. Pink Floyd has a few too I think and so do ELP(especially BSS).  

They probably are, but it’s potentially less likely, for the reason I gave above (somewhere). They tend to look for music that is less well known, so that the sample doesn’t become the focus of the song. Led Zep and Sabbath are obviously well known, so less likely to be used, except for effect when an artist wants to cross over and appeal to a broader audience than just the normal hip hop one.

So, for example, Puff Daddy sampled Zep’s Kashmir for the Godzilla soundtrack, which was a predominantly rock soundtrack. It made sense for him to use that sample, where he may have been less likely to do so on one of his own albums.

Anything goes, though. When my wife first heard me play The Doors, she kept recognising songs. A lot of Doors songs have been sampled, it seems. Off the top of my head, I remember Jay-Z was one of those who sampled The Doors.

Wait while I google. BRB!

[EDIT] Ok, it’s so not much sampled as the chorus sung to the tune of Iron Man

I agree with this. Indeed if the MC is part of the band or credited at the same level as the rapper you might consider he's got full independent control over what he's creating. But otherwise I think it's rather similar to pop rock, the more underground you go the less you'll find outside source in your music. More often it'll be a close collaboration, but I seriously doubt rappers don't care and don't know about their samples.

+ the crate diggin habit yes. Completely true. I'm sure Pink Floyd has been sampled numerous times by the way, I should check on WhoSampled.

Very interesting stuff anyway. I only knew about Run The Jewels and Kanye West, and thought they were oddities. But it doesn't entirely surprise me, the trend nowadays is to show how wide-ranging and versatile you can be, and bridges between music styles is more and more a norm within popular music. You still might want to sample stuff a little unknown, this is not incompatible; if at the same time you can show that you listen to very different stuff it's all for the best.

After all progressive rock was a highly popular genre back in the day, no wonder its spirit still pops out from current musical minds here and there.

Ah! Well, I think they do in a way. It would be difficult to consider a genre as a whole without including different strata of popularity. It typically creates some kind of pyramid-shaped structure, where a few extremely popular bands/artists dominate, influence a wider base, which itself influence a wider "underground" base (oversimplifying it ofc... you can delimitate as many strata as you want). 

IMO you can not just look at a few extremely popular bands, but also at all the offshoot that emanate from them. Considering this typical pyramid, I don't think it's wrong to consider that prog has been highly popular at some point. I haven't done any serious calculation though, just stating a sentiment here.

That being said, it will also depend on your definition of the genre you're looking at, prog rock in our case... and that is a slippery slope haha!

I appreciate your sentiment but let me further explain why I disagree(and it's ok to disagree that's what makes this site interesting). The thing is my guess would be that most of the fans of Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush or whoever back in the day(and maybe even today) just thought of them as rock bands(and today "classic rock" bands)and don't even think of the labels. So if you take say 500 fans of Yes maybe only 200 of them will figure out that it's prog(and try to figure out what progressive rock is all about) and then out of those maybe only 50 will take the initiative to want to explore further and then maybe only 20 of those will stick with it and become big prog fans. So basically what I'm getting at here is that the majority of fans of those bands don't become big prog fans. Maybe a lot of those who do become musicians and that probably has been the case but that's still a different story. 

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Very interesting indeed, don't worry I'm happy to disagree if it's in the most cordial way :) !

I'm not quite sure that being aware of the genre you're playing or being a fan of is that important. Like the biological concept of a species, a musical genre is pretty much a human construct that we try to apply to a natural (e.g. sociological) process. It doesn't matter if as a fan of Yes, you identify or not as a prog fan. What matters is the cultural importance the lots of fans and listeners will jointly give to the band, and the artistic statement that it represents (willingly or not).