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Topic: 5.1 mixes
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Subject: 5.1 mixes
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 14:04
Seems like 5.1 mixes have decreased significantly from ten years ago. Is this a dying format?

Do the majority on this forum have a 5.1 system and listen to music that way exclusively?




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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 14:10
Yes to the first question, no to the second.

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Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 15:47
Never tried it. Is it any good? Better experience than good ol' stereo mixes?


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 16:38
Specialty audio format for those with lots of disposable income !
It's the 3D BluRay of audio.
I doubt the majority of any particular group have or listen exclusively to 5.1. Besides, hasn't it been replaced by 7.1?

Now it's the Gillette Fusion 5 of audio. LOL


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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 17:18
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Specialty audio format for those with lots of disposable income !
It's the 3D BluRay of audio.
I doubt the majority of any particular group have or listen exclusively to 5.1. Besides, hasn't it been replaced by 7.1?

Now it's the Gillette Fusion 5 of audio. LOL
5.1 Blu-ray mixes and set-up are affordable. Audiophile, LP systems are not. Hell, one LP costs more than a 5.1 disc. And yes, it's 7.1 now, called Dolby Atmos. Wilson is living in the past with his 5.1 mixes. It seems no one here digs it. I used to love it but anymore I listen in stereo, as less releases are mixed in surround.


Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 17:19
Stereo is a magnificent format, and has been so for 7 decades.  

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 19:55
Dolby Atmos is actually 5.1.4 or 7.1.4, the .4 are the Atmos effect speakers in the ceiling. I've never had a HT setup to be able to listen to 5.1 music, HT setups are generally not for music listening at least the quality of sound is not as engaging as a traditional 2-channel setup, digital or analog.
Besides with a well setup 2-channel system, optimal speaker placement you can experience 3D soundstage as well very wide soundstage. On my system, the "running man" on DSOtM starts in the middle, moves to 180 deg to my left then back to center. Effects, echo, reverb on traditional stereo mixes are more than enough and are more natural than thru 5 or 7 speakers.....We only have two ears for cryin outloud.

You can have a very good sounding 2-channel setup, digital or analog for very reasonable prices. It seems prog music is losing its 5.1 audience, the fad is over.




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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 20:06
^If the fad is over, why does Steven Wilson keep mixing in 5.1? And why do people buy it? Don't all his remix/remasters come with a 5.1 mix?


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 20:20
You may as well ask "Why do they still make lava lamps?".
Because it's 'cool' and someone will buy it.


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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 25 2021 at 23:42
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yes to the first question, no to the second.

This.


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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 03:03
5.1 dying ??? I don't know about that for sure but it seems to be pretty active with some Progressive Rock bands. For me I don't care about popularity and fashion, they said that Prog rock is dying for years but we can still can find some great music, same with 5.1 mixes. I have been listening to a lot of surround mixes in the last 5 years and I learned about the different mixes and i can say that is a new way to discover your favorite albums of the past and some new material as well. Steven Wilson, Robert Redd and Bruce Soord have done some great mixes and I can only hope that many more musicians take the same route in the future.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 17:25
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^If the fad is over, why does Steven Wilson keep mixing in 5.1? And why do people buy it? Don't all his remix/remasters come with a 5.1 mix?

Because it allows him to charge more for a CD box set. I don't think people are buying a separate 5.1 mix disc, it comes in a CD deluxe box set, so you get it by default.


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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 18:07
^There are plenty of 5.1 mixes that come without a box set. They are sold as Blu-ray only. I know you are an audiophile and prefer LP's, but how many surround mixes have you listened to? Two that stand out for me are Stupid Dream and TAAB Part II. Also, curious how much moolah do you have invested in your stereo system and have you acoustically treated your listening room? You need to invite me over to experience this sonic nirvana you brag about.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 19:21
The 5.1 mix codec is definitely a niche market much like anything else that exudes the audiophile aroma of things.
Keep in mind there are many upon many communities of people that love 5.1 audio and guess what? Iím one of them. I Rock that sh*t just about every weekend.
It has its advantages.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 19:23
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Seems like 5.1 mixes have decreased significantly from ten years ago. Is this a dying format?

Do the majority on this forum have a 5.1 system and listen to music that way exclusively?



Not exclusively, but I can say when it comes to serious outward listening experiences, I go with 5.1.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 19:48
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^If the fad is over, why does Steven Wilson keep mixing in 5.1? And why do people buy it? Don't all his remix/remasters come with a 5.1 mix?


Because it allows him to charge more for a CD box set. I don't think people are buying a separate 5.1 mix disc, it comes in a CD deluxe box set, so you get it by default.
This.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 26 2021 at 20:13
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Seems like 5.1 mixes have decreased significantly from ten years ago. Is this a dying format?

Do the majority on this forum have a 5.1 system and listen to music that way exclusively?



Not exclusively, but I can say when it comes to serious outward listening experiences, I go with 5.1.
:)
Awesome. What are some of your favorites?


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 08:41
Just listened to Steven Wilson's Hand.Cannot.Erase. in DTS 5.1. Wow. Amazing. Takes the listening experience to another level that can't be experienced in stereo.


Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 09:50
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Just listened to Steven Wilson's Hand.Cannot.Erase. in DTS 5.1. Wow. Amazing. Takes the listening experience to another level that can't be experienced in stereo.
I have all his albums up to To The Bone on DVD/BD. Grace For Drowning is definitely my favourite Surround mix, very atmospheric.


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 10:03
Anybody here Alan Parsons 5.1 mixes?

So far, you can get Eye in the sky, Ammonia Avenue and Tales of mystery.

All amazing. Blu ray audio. Terrific stuff.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 10:34
Thanks for the recommendations.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 12:44
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Thanks for the recommendations.


Oh Iíve got plenty. Anytime. :)

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 15:25
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^There are plenty of 5.1 mixes that come without a box set. They are sold as Blu-ray only. I know you are an audiophile and prefer LP's, but how many surround mixes have you listened to? Two that stand out for me are Stupid Dream and TAAB Part II. Also, curious how much moolah do you have invested in your stereo system and have you acoustically treated your listening room? You need to invite me over to experience this sonic nirvana you brag about.
You are an audiophile too. Which only means you are looking to hear music as best you can achieve given whatever your budget is. People who spend uber (define uber) money are no more an audiophile than someone who does not spend uber (define uber) money.
I prefer LPs because that media gives me the most natural, dynamic and revealing experience with my music and its highly engaging.

Just go find a hi-fi audio store (not Best BuyThumbs Down) and go and listen to their systems, both digital and analog.

My music room, like probably 95% of most is in my home where there are things like sofas, carpet, drapery, door opening, hallways, windows and such so trying to treat a room is almost impossible. If I had a 4 sided equal room with no windows you can treat a room effectively with first reflection points.......I won't tell you how much I spent, that's between me and my spousal unit and bank account, it's a hobby so I pay cash for everything, never finance or credit that is cra-cra! Plus it's very very rare I pay MSRP, but I have no issue giving you a gear list of what I have.  

Parasound Halo Integrated Amp
Music Hall mmf-7.1 Turntable, upgraded tonearm Project 9cc all carbon fiber
Music Hall Cruise Control 2.0
Lyra Delos MC Cartridge
Musical Surroundings Nova II Phono Preamp
NAD C545BEE CD Player
Teac X2000R R2R
Rega RX5 Speakers
Dual SVS SB2000 Subwoofers

I think that's all of it....LOL




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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 15:58
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^There are plenty of 5.1 mixes that come without a box set. They are sold as Blu-ray only. I know you are an audiophile and prefer LP's, but how many surround mixes have you listened to? Two that stand out for me are Stupid Dream and TAAB Part II. Also, curious how much moolah do you have invested in your stereo system and have you acoustically treated your listening room? You need to invite me over to experience this sonic nirvana you brag about.
You are an audiophile too. Which only means you are looking to hear music as best you can achieve given whatever your budget is. People who spend uber (define uber) money are no more an audiophile than someone who does not spend uber (define uber) money.
I prefer LPs because that media gives me the most natural, dynamic and revealing experience with my music and its highly engaging.

Just go find a hi-fi audio store (not Best BuyThumbs Down) and go and listen to their systems, both digital and analog.

My music room, like probably 95% of most is in my home where there are things like sofas, carpet, drapery, door opening, hallways, windows and such so trying to treat a room is almost impossible. If I had a 4 sided equal room with no windows you can treat a room effectively with first reflection points.......I won't tell you how much I spent, that's between me and my spousal unit and bank account, it's a hobby so I pay cash for everything, never finance or credit that is cra-cra! Plus it's very very rare I pay MSRP, but I have no issue giving you a gear list of what I have.  

Parasound Halo Integrated Amp
Music Hall mmf-7.1 Turntable, upgraded tonearm Project 9cc all carbon fiber
Music Hall Cruise Control 2.0
Lyra Delos MC Cartridge
Musical Surroundings Nova II Phono Preamp
NAD C545BEE CD Player
Teac X2000R R2R
Rega RX5 Speakers
Dual SVS SB2000 Subwoofers

I think that's all of it....LOL

Holy crap!!! I don't know what any of this gear is but I Googled some of the prices. Even below MSRP price - congrats! What do you do for a living to afford this stellar equipment? Your cartridge alone costs more than my entire set-up, it must sound stellar. Does your spousal unit approve of your hobby?  Does she listen to those Lee Morgan LP's with you? Tongue

There is only one hi-fi audio store in my area and I'm sure they won't have any music I'm familiar with to play on their system, so it does me no good. And I can't afford it. They would probably kick me out for having long hair, wearing blue jeans, and beat-up Chuck Taylors. LOL

Just for you to get a laugh out of my system. This is what I have....

Dennon 2801 Receiver 
Oppo BDP-93 (Blu-ray player)
5 Paradigm Legend Speakers 








Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 16:11
^ That OPPO player is quite good. You could start by building around that transport. It is solid.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 16:27
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

^ That OPPO player is quite good. You could start by building around that transport. It is solid.
Thanks, but unless I win the lottery, this is my "forever" set-up.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 17:40
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

^ That OPPO player is quite good. You could start by building around that transport. It is solid.
Thanks, but unless I win the lottery, this is my "forever" set-up.


It took me 8 years to build up my headphone rig. I know it is expensive but it is obtainable.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 18:05
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^There are plenty of 5.1 mixes that come without a box set. They are sold as Blu-ray only. I know you are an audiophile and prefer LP's, but how many surround mixes have you listened to? Two that stand out for me are Stupid Dream and TAAB Part II. Also, curious how much moolah do you have invested in your stereo system and have you acoustically treated your listening room? You need to invite me over to experience this sonic nirvana you brag about.
You are an audiophile too. Which only means you are looking to hear music as best you can achieve given whatever your budget is. People who spend uber (define uber) money are no more an audiophile than someone who does not spend uber (define uber) money.
I prefer LPs because that media gives me the most natural, dynamic and revealing experience with my music and its highly engaging.

Just go find a hi-fi audio store (not Best BuyThumbs Down) and go and listen to their systems, both digital and analog.

My music room, like probably 95% of most is in my home where there are things like sofas, carpet, drapery, door opening, hallways, windows and such so trying to treat a room is almost impossible. If I had a 4 sided equal room with no windows you can treat a room effectively with first reflection points.......I won't tell you how much I spent, that's between me and my spousal unit and bank account, it's a hobby so I pay cash for everything, never finance or credit that is cra-cra! Plus it's very very rare I pay MSRP, but I have no issue giving you a gear list of what I have.  

Parasound Halo Integrated Amp
Music Hall mmf-7.1 Turntable, upgraded tonearm Project 9cc all carbon fiber
Music Hall Cruise Control 2.0
Lyra Delos MC Cartridge
Musical Surroundings Nova II Phono Preamp
NAD C545BEE CD Player
Teac X2000R R2R
Rega RX5 Speakers
Dual SVS SB2000 Subwoofers

I think that's all of it....LOL

Holy crap!!! I don't know what any of this gear is but I Googled some of the prices. Even below MSRP price - congrats! What do you do for a living to afford this stellar equipment? Your cartridge alone costs more than my entire set-up, it must sound stellar. Does your spousal unit approve of your hobby?  Does she listen to those Lee Morgan LP's with you? Tongue

There is only one hi-fi audio store in my area and I'm sure they won't have any music I'm familiar with to play on their system, so it does me no good. And I can't afford it. They would probably kick me out for having long hair, wearing blue jeans, and beat-up Chuck Taylors. LOL

Just for you to get a laugh out of my system. This is what I have....

Dennon 2801 Receiver 
Oppo BDP-93 (Blu-ray player)
5 Paradigm Legend Speakers 

She buys me records...so yes. You don't build a high-end system in a month unless you have uber money, like many it takes several years to build what you want. 
I coach HS lacrosse and do lacrosse camps in the summer and that funds my habit, my job pays the mortgage and taxes and buys food and worthless krapp like cars.
Nothing wrong with what you got, its wayy better than what I had as a teenager in my room, gotta start somewhere.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 18:06
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

^ That OPPO player is quite good. You could start by building around that transport. It is solid.
Thanks, but unless I win the lottery, this is my "forever" set-up.


It took me 8 years to build up my headphone rig. I know it is expensive but it is obtainable.


.....word....


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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 18:26
I'm retired and live on a fixed income, so my current set-up is final.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 27 2021 at 18:30
10-12 yrs and Iíll be in retirement too....hopefully. And whatever system I have at that point will be it!!

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