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Topic: Daily Doug Reaction
Posted By: Catcher10
Subject: Daily Doug Reaction
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 11:14
I have been watching Doug Helvering's (The Daily Doug) reactions for several months now. He has a doctorate in music, is a composer and well he knows musical construction very well. He posted this one yesterday and I thought it very entertaining/educational considering the musical piece is in his wheel house. I really enjoy how he breaks music down and really gives a perspective that in many cases I don't see/hear or pick up on listens.

When I got the new LTE3 album the first song I played was Rhapsody In Blue, as I wanted to hear what/how the arranged the pc and I was very pleased with what they did. It may be my favorite song that LTE has recorded.

Enjoy.....



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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 13:04
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 13:41
I liked his reactions to Machine Messiah and La Villa Strangiato. Haven't had the time to watch more, but hopefully will in the future.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 14:19
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I liked his reactions to Machine Messiah and La Villa Strangiato. Haven't had the time to watch more, but hopefully will in the future.

I like how he suggested that "2112" should be made into a stage show, in how it was composed by Rush.


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 14:52
Yes, he's incredibly fun!  He's going to be interviewed in an upcoming friend's prog and related show (DJ Tony Live)on House of Prog Internet Radio. Saturday, 22 May from 10AM - 1PM PDT.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 16:43
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Yes, he's incredibly fun!  He's going to be interviewed in an upcoming friend's prog and related show (DJ Tony Live)on House of Prog Internet Radio. Saturday, 22 May from 10AM - 1PM PDT.

Nice! Thanks for sharing


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 16:56
You're very welcome.  Smile

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 18:01
...oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about our own PresDoug!!  I was looking forward to some more trivia about Triumvirat!  Tongue

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Date Posted: April 29 2021 at 18:11


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 30 2021 at 07:06
Very nice and funny.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 30 2021 at 07:44
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

...oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about our own PresDoug!!  I was looking forward to some more trivia about Triumvirat!  Tongue
PresDoug, that's the guy. I was just trying to remember who the Triumvirat guy was. I don't think he's been around for a while.


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 30 2021 at 08:41
I love this guy, he may be a different breed of Doug, but he's one of the few reaction style channels that actually have a good value and depth to them along with JustJP.

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Posted By: Tasartir
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 02:12
I was wondering when the Daily Doug would pop up on ProgArchives. He's seriously amazing. He provides insights into song structures and meanings that I had never considered, even if I know how to play the song myself. What a pro!

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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: May 11 2021 at 18:34
I just watched his review and reaction of Close to the Edge and wondered if someone had already posted a thread about him.  Love this reaction video and how he tries to keep up with key changes, especially his reaction when Wakeman's organ solo comes in.




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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: May 11 2021 at 18:41
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

I just watched his review and reaction of Close to the Edge and wondered if someone had already posted a thread about him.  Love this reaction video and how he tries to keep up with key changes, especially his reaction when Wakeman's organ solo comes in.

video removed for space
  That one's my favourite so far of his.  Smile  Wonder what he'd think of Wakeman using a paint roller to achieve a gliss on the organ on that tv show version of "Hangman and the Papist?"  

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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 11 2021 at 23:11
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

I just watched his review and reaction of Close to the Edge and wondered if someone had already posted a thread about him.  Love this reaction video and how he tries to keep up with key changes, especially his reaction when Wakeman's organ solo comes in.



Great clip and these videos are always fun!


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 12 2021 at 00:47
Yeah, it was cool.


Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: May 12 2021 at 02:55
Cool guy! His reaction video for my favourite band's epic "The Odyssey" (being the final song of the album with the same title) was immensely fun to watch.



Though, my first recommendation for him to "react" would be Rediscovery, Pt. II (The New Mythology) instead, which is the closing song of the previous Symphony X album entitled V: The New Mythology Suite. 



Yet, The Odyssey is less "wild", so lest one might get bewildered instead of bedazzled if confronted with "my" prominent choice first; the Greek epic adaptation is the safer choice and whoever recommended it did the right thing, seemingly. Oh, and the guy is "classical", FFS! LOL


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 12 2021 at 10:49
Watched yesterday, by coincidence


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 12 2021 at 15:08
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

I just watched his review and reaction of Close to the Edge and wondered if someone had already posted a thread about him.  Love this reaction video and how he tries to keep up with key changes, especially his reaction when Wakeman's organ solo comes in.



Jamel aka Jamal had a great reaction to CTTE, I posted that one already http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=125735&KW=close+to+the+edge&PID=5873896#5873896" rel="nofollow - here .


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 12 2021 at 18:04
Settle in for a long one.....great analysis of Gilmour Live in Gdansk~Echoes



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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 12 2021 at 21:33
Hi,

Very nice indeed ... and I wish that more "progressive music" was studied and looked at a bit more in this way, so that one would know the difference between "music" and a "song" ....

Very nice indeed Clap


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 14 2021 at 19:11
Ok, this is another long one......DT~Octavarium. I'm really enjoying his analysis not only the musical composition parts but also the lyric breakdown. His excitement over the pc is infectious, you can really tell he loves digging deep into all the musical passages and trying to figure out how they got there.

Doug is doing a great job of explaining all these songs and their grand scale and what the artists are doing that maybe some of us may take for granted because we may not fully understand it.





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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 07:45
Hi,

Nice again ... DT is a strange band ...  folks got attached to the early version and they did not get/understand that stuff that came later ... and in many ways, and this shows it, MUSICALLY, it is way better constructed and defined ... and unlike many bands, they used actual instruments instead of sound bites (vst's), and in some ways, that kind of shows a level of musicianship that is not always associated with a rock band at all.

Their live album with an orchestra is also one that is very strong ... even if it is not an album that most fans like, but one can quickly see the musical ability of the members and what they are attempting to do ... 

It's a great band, really ... even if sometimes it seems "stuck" on a sound type (guitar thrashing -- NOW) where as in those days it was more about the composition than it was about anything else, although I think that keeping it together and making it a "symphonic" work, was quite intentional and a comment about the "songs" and "hits" that too many fans wanted!

Very nice stuff ... and the album is very good!


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 15 2021 at 15:33
Well I for sure am not a fan of the current direction, both musical and style. I much prefer the material prior to ADTOE, most of ADTOE I do like. The most recent albums are Dead for me.

I have always been a fan of Octavarium.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 08:02
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Well I for sure am not a fan of the current direction, both musical and style. I much prefer the material prior to ADTOE, most of ADTOE I do like. The most recent albums are Dead for me.
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Hi,

As much as I like the band and have seen them twice, I really think that they need to spread out the musical abilities a bit better, and help show the compositional side of the band ... I think that the bass is under-utilized, and the keyboards are almost 2nd to anything, and the guitar is too much out front, specially when it does need to be. That, btw, could be a mix issue ... but seeing them thrash it out in concert kinda takes away the great stuff they had done before ... at least that is how I see it!


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 08:43
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Well I for sure am not a fan of the current direction, both musical and style. I much prefer the material prior to ADTOE, most of ADTOE I do like. The most recent albums are Dead for me.
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Hi,

As much as I like the band and have seen them twice, I really think that they need to spread out the musical abilities a bit better, and help show the compositional side of the band ... I think that the bass is under-utilized, and the keyboards are almost 2nd to anything, and the guitar is too much out front, specially when it does need to be. That, btw, could be a mix issue ... but seeing them thrash it out in concert kinda takes away the great stuff they had done before ... at least that is how I see it!
DT records are not known for being good/great sounding records. The mix is usually subpar to bad, the records/CDs are brickwalled and that is a main reason why the bass is buried in the mix. They use mixing engineers who are not well known for quality work, as it shows.


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: May 16 2021 at 10:26
^ They currently have a new album in the works. Not much is known but from my understanding, it's almost all lengthier songs, all the members sound extremely excited about it and there's one shorter track that was described as a cinematic break to the chaos. They're filming videos/promo photos this week, Jordan recently said they'd probably be back on the road in September/October so maybe a mid-late summer release date?

But what's really important, is on the production front you have Jimmy T who did the recent live album doing all the sound tech/recording, and it's getting mixed by the guy who did JPs solo album: Andy Sneap. This guy is the real deal, great track record, so i'm hoping we get one of their best sounding records from the band in years. The previous guy from the last 3 albums, "Richard Chycki" has proven to be pretty incompetent, especially on Self Titled and Astonishing. I though the most recent was better, but the vocals on DOT were very reverb drowned. The vinyl/blu-ray master of that album is actually different and it sounds a lot better, much more clarity.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 17 2021 at 09:55
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ They currently have a new album in the works. Not much is known but from my understanding, it's almost all lengthier songs, all the members sound extremely excited about it and there's one shorter track that was described as a cinematic break to the chaos. They're filming videos/promo photos this week, Jordan recently said they'd probably be back on the road in September/October so maybe a mid-late summer release date?

But what's really important, is on the production front you have Jimmy T who did the recent live album doing all the sound tech/recording, and it's getting mixed by the guy who did JPs solo album: Andy Sneap. This guy is the real deal, great track record, so i'm hoping we get one of their best sounding records from the band in years. The previous guy from the last 3 albums, "Richard Chycki" has proven to be pretty incompetent, especially on Self Titled and Astonishing. I though the most recent was better, but the vocals on DOT were very reverb drowned. The vinyl/blu-ray master of that album is actually different and it sounds a lot better, much more clarity.
We will see....the earlier records like BC&SL and Octavarium were done at Sterling Sound and are much better, since that mastering lab is the real deal, for real! Octavarium was mastered by George Marino, a legend (RIP). I just don't get how/why Petrucci would allow the last couple records to go out sounding like they do, they must not have an ear for high end sound........probably all iPhone and ear buds.


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: May 21 2021 at 21:42
Reminder that Doug will be live in an interview with Tony Romero on DJ Tony Live on House of Prog Radio, tomorrow, Saturday, 22 May, from 1PM - 4PM EDT.  Link to House of Prog:  https://houseofprog.com/

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 00:41
This Friday post is really good! Doug is trying to figure out and understand the lyrics and the story, what does it mean?? LOL
His breakdown of these progressive rock classics/masterpieces is really enjoyable and educational.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 02:19
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I just don't get how/why Petrucci would allow the last couple records to go out sounding like they do, they must not have an ear for high end sound........probably all iPhone and ear buds.
Not sure if that's Petrucci's call or the record label. Anyway, playing loud music for decades ruins hearing. It may be that John thinks it sounds good brickwalled.

I wish Doug would mention sound quality in his reactions.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 11:19
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I just don't get how/why Petrucci would allow the last couple records to go out sounding like they do, they must not have an ear for high end sound........probably all iPhone and ear buds.
Not sure if that's Petrucci's call or the record label. Anyway, playing loud music for decades ruins hearing. It may be that John thinks it sounds good brickwalled.

I wish Doug would mention sound quality in his reactions.
No, he is listening thru a laptop on Bose headphones via a low fi YouTube stream.....I really enjoy and appreciate his deep knowledge of music and composition, I am learning so much what to listen for. I spun Suppers Ready last night and listened for what he does and I picked up the bass notes/pattern he mentioned, could have been taurus pedals.

I found interesting that he mentioned what I thought was an organ he said was a piano with no sustain to the keys........I still think its an organ.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 14:17
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I just don't get how/why Petrucci would allow the last couple records to go out sounding like they do, they must not have an ear for high end sound........probably all iPhone and ear buds.
Not sure if that's Petrucci's call or the record label. Anyway, playing loud music for decades ruins hearing. It may be that John thinks it sounds good brickwalled.

I wish Doug would mention sound quality in his reactions.
No, he is listening thru a laptop on Bose headphones via a low fi YouTube stream.....I really enjoy and appreciate his deep knowledge of music and composition, I am learning so much what to listen for. I spun Suppers Ready last night and listened for what he does and I picked up the bass notes/pattern he mentioned, could have been taurus pedals.

I found interesting that he mentioned what I thought was an organ he said was a piano with no sustain to the keys........I still think its an organ.

One of the instrumental sections that confused Doug was Hackett playing his Les Paul through a volume pedal, Doug couldn't figure out what the sound was.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 14:20
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I just don't get how/why Petrucci would allow the last couple records to go out sounding like they do, they must not have an ear for high end sound........probably all iPhone and ear buds.
Not sure if that's Petrucci's call or the record label. Anyway, playing loud music for decades ruins hearing. It may be that John thinks it sounds good brickwalled.

I wish Doug would mention sound quality in his reactions.
No, he is listening thru a laptop on Bose headphones via a low fi YouTube stream.....I really enjoy and appreciate his deep knowledge of music and composition, I am learning so much what to listen for. I spun Suppers Ready last night and listened for what he does and I picked up the bass notes/pattern he mentioned, could have been taurus pedals.

I found interesting that he mentioned what I thought was an organ he said was a piano with no sustain to the keys........I still think its an organ.

One of the instrumental sections that confused Doug was Hackett playing his Les Paul through a volume pedal, Doug couldn't figure out what the sound was.
Yea, I think that is why he said he needs to listen to it many more times.......I think he misses a lot due to talking over the music. 


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 14:46
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

...oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about our own PresDoug!!  I was looking forward to some more trivia about Triumvirat!  Tongue

PresDoug, that's the guy. I was just trying to remember who the Triumvirat guy was. I don't think he's been around for a while.
a great guy. Hope he’s doing well.

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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: May 24 2021 at 13:13
He did Close To The Edge a couple weeks ago.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 18:14
Nice breakdown of this excellent song. For me he hits the nail on the head with the tone of this song and subject matter. Again Doug's expertise with composition is a great learning tool for me.
Enjoy! 



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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 18:19
It was well done and fun to see someone hear it for the first time.  I prefer the studio version, but to me, any incarnation of King Crimson is spectacular.

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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 19:04
I agree Nickie, nothing beats the grittiness of the original where it feels like the song just scrubs your soul raw, though I thoroughly enjoy seeing KC perform live every time.  

I don't very often name a song a favorite, but "Starless" is my favorite KC song and KC is my favorite band, so read into that whatever you may Wink


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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 19:19
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

I agree Nickie, nothing beats the grittiness of the original where it feels like the song just scrubs your soul raw, though I thoroughly enjoy seeing KC perform live every time.  

I don't very often name a song a favorite, but "Starless" is my favorite KC song and KC is my favorite band, so read into that whatever you may Wink
  Jakko is very good, but I'm a big sucker for John Wetton as a singer.  His vocals were absolutely as anguished as the piece.  And Bruford did the work of three drummers.  That's my favourite configuration, Fripp/Wetton/Cross/Bruford and the combination I saw quite a few times, live.  From that incarnation (although technically Cross wasn't in the band with Red, but did appear on it), Starless is also one of my favourites, Book of Saturday, Lark's Tongues (both parts), The Night Watch, Red and Great Deceiver are all up there, too.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 19:57
Wetton's the man!

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 20:37
I did enjoy that Starless daily Doug reaction video -- thinks he's just about ready to join the Prog dark side now. Soon up I hope is Doug reacts to Magma's Theusz Hamtaahk. Wouldn't want to throw him off the avant prog deep end with Henry Cow's Western Culture, Univers Zero's Heresie, or even Igor Wakhévitch's Docteur Faust.

That's actually the first video I;ve seen of his, so I don't know much of what he's done. Two I really think he might appreciate are Bubu's Anabelas and U Totem's self-titled. I think Bubu would be a cool one considering some of the stuff he has already done.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 26 2021 at 09:22
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I did enjoy that Starless daily Doug reaction video -- thinks he's just about ready to join the Prog dark side now. Soon up I hope is Doug reacts to Magma's Theusz Hamtaahk. Wouldn't want to throw him off the avant prog deep end with Henry Cow's Western Culture, Univers Zero's Heresie, or even Igor Wakhévitch's Docteur Faust.

That's actually the first video I;ve seen of his, so I don't know much of what he's done. Two I really think he might appreciate are Bubu's Anabelas and U Totem's self-titled. I think Bubu would be a cool one considering some of the stuff he has already done.

Ha!!! That might be too much for him, or if anything too much for his audience. I suspect he would dissect the music and enjoy the chaotic mess it might be but I suspect the audience will not find it too entertaining. 

And now his Royal Heiness Fripp/DGM has blocked the video, which to me is stoooopid. These reactions should enhance and educate the casual listener to what great music is, bands from the early 70s should be happy someone is actually paying attention to what they did 50 yrs ago.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 26 2021 at 11:33
Hi,

Sad to see RF remove the video. Sadder still that he disapproves of folks talking about his/KC's music theory within a class. There is a lot to share that folks can learn, but maybe he has a reason for it ... well, he has not closed down Rachel Flowers versions of his group's stuff ... so there might be something within it that Doug said that wasn't right or cool ... is my guess. Classical folks have a tendency at times to be a bit stuffy, and Doug has been reasonably clean most of the time, but appreciative of the greater/better efforts all around (Echoes ... ) ... and I don't think that KC is his kind of band, based on the material he has done ... 

I would like to see him do more King Crimson, provided that Mr. RF allows it ... KC is very classical in its "approach" to music, making sure it is just right and such, whereas a lot of other rock bands ... have too many moments "all over the place" (as Daily Doug says), and I don't think that KC is about ... all over the place. Going back to their first album, the music was superbly defined and played and to this day, that clarity has stood up beautifully ... probably one of the few bands where the original STILL sounds magnificent.

I like him, he's good ... but he has not taken on some tougher things ... for example ... if he tried to do the title cut from the album YETI (AD2) and then even Soap Shop Rock, I really think that it will throw him off since the inspiration is likely to be found very different than any rock roots. Likewise, things like Tangerine Dream, let's say Stratosfear ... would be something that removes a lot of rock conventions (all over the stuff he does and then some ... too much for my taste!) ... and provides something else, probably closer to classical music than the (way too) metronomic rock music! For that matter, you think he can do one of the long cuts by The Doors? ... hmmmm 


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 28 2021 at 17:23
ELP~Tarkus (with sheet music!!)

Enjoy Clap

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Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 08:09


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 09:19
Awesome!!! Dougie is getting his musical doctorate geek on in the last two videos LOL. Having played the clarinet as a young kid in school for several years I get a good portion of what he is describing/teaching us. Reading sheet music is where I need to do some catch up on, part of it is coming back to me.....

I like that he is using sheet music as it allows him to "see" what is going on with notes, chords and time much better than having to try and guess and listen for it.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 10:21
And here I thought this thread was going to be all about me...?  
Wink
TBH...I don't understand why people care about these 'reaction videos' and list of best albums ranked by various online strangers. Who cares?
I have watched a few where people talk about 'obscure prog and psych albums', etc ...since I  might not be aware of those.


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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 10:27
Doug is awesome, but he's played it pretty safe so far with the artists he has reacted to.

I'm waiting for his reactions to - Henry Cow, Thinking Plague, Univers Zero, Captain Beefheart, black midi, Art Zoyd,  ni, Yugen, and similar bands. Anyone else with me?


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 10:38
Seriously! What will he think about a set of drums being thrown down a flight of stairs?

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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 10:45
It all depends on the way the drums are thrown, the length of the stairs and the quantity of pots and pans you throw down with them.  Punk music only just tosses the drums carelessly while neo-progressive music plans out every single step in the staircase so that it all lasts 20 minutes.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 10:49
That's true.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 11:55
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

It all depends on the way the drums are thrown, the length of the stairs and the quantity of pots and pans you throw down with them.  Punk music only just tosses the drums carelessly while neo-progressive music plans out every single step in the staircase so that it all lasts 20 minutes.
It also depends on the material the stairs are made of. Concrete, tile, wood, or carpet. I prefer tile stairs with dutch ovens. Wink


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 12:05
Word.

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 14:05
That may very well be the best analysis of Firth and Fifth I've ever seen.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 14:08
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

It all depends on the way the drums are thrown, the length of the stairs and the quantity of pots and pans you throw down with them.  Punk music only just tosses the drums carelessly while neo-progressive music plans out every single step in the staircase so that it all lasts 20 minutes.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 14:46
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And here I thought this thread was going to be all about me...?  
Wink
TBH...I don't understand why people care about these 'reaction videos' and list of best albums ranked by various online strangers. Who cares?
I have watched a few where people talk about 'obscure prog and psych albums', etc ...since I  might not be aware of those.
When it comes to obscure prog and psych albums, you're the "Daily Doug" I look to for suggestions. Smile


Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 03 2021 at 15:42
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And here I thought this thread was going to be all about me...?  
Wink
TBH...I don't understand why people care about these 'reaction videos' and list of best albums ranked by various online strangers. Who cares?
I have watched a few where people talk about 'obscure prog and psych albums', etc ...since I  might not be aware of those.

I know what you mean, but here, he is more knowledgeable than many due to his educational background, so it's interesting to see his insight and hear his discussion of the structure, etc.  Of course, what really matters is whether or not you find a piece of music or song appealing to your taste, but I still enjoy hearing other's opinions on music.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 00:01
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And here I thought this thread was going to be all about me...?  
Wink
TBH...I don't understand why people care about these 'reaction videos' and list of best albums ranked by various online strangers. Who cares?
I have watched a few where people talk about 'obscure prog and psych albums', etc ...since I  might not be aware of those.

I know what you mean, but here, he is more knowledgeable than many due to his educational background, so it's interesting to see his insight and hear his discussion of the structure, etc.  Of course, what really matters is whether or not you find a piece of music or song appealing to your taste, but I still enjoy hearing other's opinions on music.
Most fans of music simply like the music because of a particular beat, rhythm or the lyrics or the song lasts 25 minutes. Its more rare that a fan of music likes the song because of how it was constructed and the influence of that construction and appreciating how it was written. As well for us progressive rock music fans, understanding what all the fuss is about, like odd times and chord structures. Having someone like the Daily Doug explain all of it is very cool.
But yea, at the end of the day you have to like the song.  


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 03:08
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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Most fans of music simply like the music because of a particular beat, rhythm or the lyrics or the song lasts 25 minutes. Its more rare that a fan of music likes the song because of how it was constructed and the influence of that construction and appreciating how it was written. As well for us progressive rock music fans, understanding what all the fuss is about, like odd times and chord structures. Having someone like the Daily Doug explain all of it is very cool.
But yea, at the end of the day you have to like the song.  

Hi,

I don't know about "have to like the song" thing ... you don't go around saying that about Stravinsky and Beethoven, or Mozart and Bach ... both of whom pretty much composed a lot of "songs", and we can't name a single one of them!

For me, in the end, it has nothing to do with "song". It has to do with the beauty of the composition to keep you alive and how the music was used to create that feeling, and to me, that is about the artist, and not the fan, who has no say (and often) the ability to even realize how valuable and important the ability of an artist to wake you up from your slumber is. We ALWAYS forget that.

It was nice to see him saying things like Tony was classically trained and such, but his comments about how some notes were used in the ECHOES piece were much more important ... there was a strong section that he was impressed as to how it was setup and used, which would have been something that Rick Wright would have done, and he was not exactly "classically" trained to my ear.

IF, we are going to make room for "progressive music" in the history of music, we have to stop thinking of them as "songs", and instead starting to appreciate the composition and the dedication to its performance, which is what the Doug is doing that we think is just an exercise in meaningless note choices by all the performers, and this is not true, and he is showing us why, and how it attracts out ears!

It's pure, real, and incredible music, and a "song" is not the issue. The composition is. You can start by listing songs that were played and done during the Renaissance. Hint, many English folk bands have done many of them, but no one knows them or remembers them, and that is the end of "song" in the history of music.

Please start appreciating the MUSIC ... not just a song.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 11:08
I would appreciate prog much more if you didn't repeat the same crap every post, year after year.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 13:49
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Most fans of music simply like the music because of a particular beat, rhythm

Copy that!



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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 17:49
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Most fans of music simply like the music because of a particular beat, rhythm

Copy that!


LOL Clap.........Miami Sound Machine was awesome!


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 19:20
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Most fans of music simply like the music because of a particular beat, rhythm

Copy that!
...

Hi,

That is the main difference between a musician and a fan. Unless you are wanting to do the Red Lion circuit, why would you want to repeat something that has already been done?

The "difference" is what made "progressive music" and its history and it is just strange that we don't see that!


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 19:26
The Friday epic for this week........Illumination Theory Live by Dream Theater



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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 09:13
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The Friday epic for this week........Illumination Theory Live by Dream Theater

...

Hi,

Nice and very enjoyable.

For me, this is excellent, and what "progressive" is all about ... not just a song. It is a grand composition by the folks of our generation, and we can only hope that these things can be remembered.

The impressive thing, and I think this is not the first time that DT has been with an orchestra, if there is any doubt about these folks and their abilities, I would like to state that "music" is not for you!

It is really nice to actually see someone like the Daily Doug do justice to a lot of music that so many fans think it's not as good as something they like, because these things are not a single melody that grabs your attention ... this is of a much different and in many ways grand'er aspect within music, than we can imagine, and it is something that most new bands/folks these days, merely try to create in their DAW's and it does not have the creative explosion that a well put together and designed piece can affect your attention.

Sort of like the Pavarotti of our generation ... maybe a little loud, but in the end, it is still a grand piece of music!


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 12:44
I like Daily Doug asa contrast to Rick Beato, both are very knowledgable, and share lots of wisdome but i like Dougs calm and direct analyzes. He got a quick head and have some nice imput into what drives a song, and hes amazment is nice to watch.

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 12:48
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The Friday epic for this week........Illumination Theory Live by Dream Theater

...


Hi,

Nice and very enjoyable.

For me, this is excellent, and what "progressive" is all about ... not just a song. It is a grand composition by the folks of our generation, and we can only hope that these things can be remembered.

The impressive thing, and I think this is not the first time that DT has been with an orchestra, if there is any doubt about these folks and their abilities, I would like to state that "music" is not for you!

It is really nice to actually see someone like the Daily Doug do justice to a lot of music that so many fans think it's not as good as something they like, because these things are not a single melody that grabs your attention ... this is of a much different and in many ways grand'er aspect within music, than we can imagine, and it is something that most new bands/folks these days, merely try to create in their DAW's and it does not have the creative explosion that a well put together and designed piece can affect your attention.

Sort of like the Pavarotti of our generation ... maybe a little loud, but in the end, it is still a grand piece of music!
I realy enjoy watching trained singers and regular people react to Pacarotti singing Nesoun Dorma. Both group of people are as astounded by the share skill and voice Pavarotti did to that song. There will not be a voice like Pavarotti ever again.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 23:17
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I would appreciate prog much more if you didn't repeat the same crap every post, year after year.

LOLLOLLOL  Unfortunately, it's water off a duck's back as far as mosh is concerned.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 07 2021 at 10:24
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I like Daily Doug asa contrast to Rick Beato, both are very knowledgable, and share lots of wisdome but i like Dougs calm and direct analyzes. He got a quick head and have some nice imput into what drives a song, and hes amazment is nice to watch.

I enjoy Rick Beato's videos also very much. His recent breakdown of Comfortably Numb is excellent!


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 07 2021 at 12:10
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I like Daily Doug asa contrast to Rick Beato, both are very knowledgable, and share lots of wisdome but i like Dougs calm and direct analyzes. He got a quick head and have some nice imput into what drives a song, and hes amazment is nice to watch.


I enjoy Rick Beato's videos also very much. His recent breakdown of Comfortably Numb is excellent!
have you seen hes interview with Jon Anderson, highly reccomended

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 07 2021 at 12:56
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I like Daily Doug asa contrast to Rick Beato, both are very knowledgable, and share lots of wisdome but i like Dougs calm and direct analyzes. He got a quick head and have some nice imput into what drives a song, and hes amazment is nice to watch.


I enjoy Rick Beato's videos also very much. His recent breakdown of Comfortably Numb is excellent!
have you seen hes interview with Jon Anderson, highly reccomended

I don't think so, if it's new then no......


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 07 2021 at 15:23
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I like Daily Doug asa contrast to Rick Beato, both are very knowledgable, and share lots of wisdome but i like Dougs calm and direct analyzes. He got a quick head and have some nice imput into what drives a song, and hes amazment is nice to watch.


I enjoy Rick Beato's videos also very much. His recent breakdown of Comfortably Numb is excellent!
have you seen hes interview with Jon Anderson, highly reccomended


I don't think so, if it's new then no......
relativly new if one counts half a year, bet itcwas around october

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 08 2021 at 07:41
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I like Daily Doug asa contrast to Rick Beato, both are very knowledgable, and share lots of wisdome but i like Dougs calm and direct analyzes. He got a quick head and have some nice imput into what drives a song, and hes amazment is nice to watch.


I enjoy Rick Beato's videos also very much. His recent breakdown of Comfortably Numb is excellent!
have you seen hes interview with Jon Anderson, highly reccomended


I don't think so, if it's new then no......
relativly new if one counts half a year, bet itcwas around october

Hi,

To me, I don't think that doing "Comfortably Numb" or visiting Jon Anderson is that valuable. I met Jon a long time ago and we had a nice yapp about a lot of music, and he keeps his feelings guarded and quiet about a lot of things because of the fans. His talk with Rick is not that important, and just talks about this and that which does not discuss the music itself and kinda makes it seem like that it was just some invisible magic between the players and I don't think that is the case. There is a lot of "composed" moments in YES in the early days (specially the earlier song days and even up to CTTE) and it was obvious a setup for some of the epic moments. No issue there, because some things were really nice and good. But there was nothing about the notes or music that told us anything. It was a "star" saying not a whole lot about the music and his words. Conversely that talk with CS about the strings and his bass, tells a lot more that both Rick and Doug do not touch and understand about how a musician feels about what he is doing and how to use something he discovers, as CS did so often and played it!

There are a lot of folks within the progressive ear that we ignore completely. No one here can even get through the stuff that Richard Pinhas specified to EUROCK (when it was a monthly), and then the whole thing was published in the massive book later for us to read. That is really tough stuff and tickles philosophy and many other topics that seemingly explain what he does with the music, which you and I will never be able to understand or make sense of. You will never see a Rick Beato and his middle of the road star approach touch an important "creator" of music, or even try the folks that put together BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO, or the brothers that put together ANGE, and how they saw their music and ANGE even goes back (AND SHOWS IT) their respects to history and their approach as a sort of Bertold Brecht of the rock music world ... but that is way too intelligent for those two folks to get into and try to make sense of, because a lot of their music is NOT just a song about this or that!

I would like to see more, and specially Doug do a few of the European things ... for example, maybe he needs to try and check out Peter Michael Hamel's history and the groups he was a part of ... and you will find a SCHOLAR and PROFESSOR with degrees that was not a beginner musician and did not know what he was playing ... he did a lot more than we can even consider! And his book (From Music to the Self) is a huge put down to popular music and its lack of creativity and design! Try that on for size! PA folks would get so upset as to ban him and his groups from the lists and site!

Rick is for the "star" in things, and I'm not sure he is more than just a fan of the music. Doug is more well rounded, although I think he is too careful, but the day that he tackles something like 200 Motels ... I will think that he has something to say about music .. until then, it's just the hits! Ohhh btw, use the concert version of 200 Motels done at UCLA by an orchestra and choir ... try to see if you can sniff that! 

I doubt that he can, or the whole thing is just so far out as to be impossible to discuss!


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 09 2021 at 21:32
A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers!




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the walls have hearsay
he go to four feet
take the moon with the teeth
he has a good beak
the stone as roll not heap up not foam


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 02:28
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers!



we saw the video yesterday. he was absolutely fascinated


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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 03:25
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers!


 
Awesome!! I've been very much hoping that he would do that. I'm going to listen to it now. Cool
 
 


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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 04:11
Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Awesome!! I've been very much hoping that he would do that. I'm going to listen to it now. Cool 
 
I'm glad he enjoyed it. Smile
 
 


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 04:56
he was quite right in saying it is a concept album. the line "I can see the lemmings coming, but I know I'm just a man" refers to the other two songs on the album


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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 05:25
^ I'm surprised he thought the section containing the ocean sounds were recorded sounds and not musical instruments played by the band.
 
 


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 06:20
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers!

we saw the video yesterday. he was absolutely fascinated

Hi,

I had been hoping that he would do a few things more challenging than stuff that is more often than not rock music oriented and less musically inclined, as this piece is and was.

Not to say that there is anything wrong in rock music, though, since it is very obvious that it has expanded the palate of all music in just a few short years, instead of the hundreds in music history! But for Doug, listening to Peter Hammill I'm not sure he realizes how different and interpretive (an actor! where do they go after the show?) his work is ... it is all about the lyrics and where they take you ... or Peter ... and this is vastly different than music that supposedly tells you that this is about this or that ... in this case, his lyrics direct the music DIRECTLY, and that is something that not many bands do or can do. You can probably count someone like Mick or DB as folks to whom the lyric content DROVE THE MUSIC, although both of those still had the riffs and the rock music generic touches to make it ear candy!

And this different "style" is something that causes a lot of folks to not like PH or VdGG because there are so many jumps and differences that have to do with the story within the lyrics, and nothing else, and how can these moments be interpreted in their instruments, instead of a steady beat and a bland passage, supposedly telling you that it is about this and that via some singing or lyrics. Vast difference in how something is designed and put together.

I think DD will have issues with some of the bigger and better pieces in the true "progressive" side of things that is totally about expression, and not about the "song" ... since at times, the lyrics seem strange and not to the point, which I don't find weird at all ... sort of like listening to Bernina, or Godbluff or Still Life ... they just flow on their own.

Interesting that he said he didn't hear a guitar ... and he should have mentioned that again, and discussed it, because rock music "dictates" that a guitar is mandatory, and for PROGRESSIVE music, there is NO SUCH THING AS A SPECIFIC INSTRUMENT NEEDED FOR THIS OR THAT (or for that f-----g solo!) ... and this is where the instruments of this and that make this kind of material not seem right ... every listener that we meet is expecting bass, drums, guitar, keyboards and singer ... and that tells you that the definition is NOT ABOUT THE MUSIC at all, but about a conventional/commercial ideal to get you to buy it!

When/if one can get past PH/VdGG, you will, then, start finding real music in many places, and let me tell you that all of them are not commercial and neither are they conventional! I am not sure that the Daily Doug has gotten his ears around that yet!


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 10:20
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers!



Yea saw this one last night......He's awesome! But expected when you have such a deep understanding of music composition, creation and lyrical themes, holding a doctorate in music helps too!! 

I suspected he would enjoy the composition and especially the lyrics and theme, not sure he will listen to this type of pc for the simple enjoyment of music. I envision Doug using something like this as a teaching pc with students, but not much more since it is really not accessible music. It's the only VdGG album I own on vinyl, one I enjoy very much.

He missed mentioning that RFripp was guest guitarist on this album, I don't think he was reading from the album liner notes.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 11:53
Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 12:11
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL

That happens often enough. Just watch Justjp's reaction to "The Last Seven Minutes" by Magma (he even categorized it as "jazz-rock)" or "Assault and Battery/The Golden Void" by Hawkwind. Here the links:

"The last Seven Minutes":



"Assault and Battery/The Golden Void":






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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 13:55
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL

Wow dude, white people can't say that and I think your white Steve LOL I can barely get away with it having poo-poo brown colored skin.

They are not fans of DT, I think they reacted to only Metropolis Part 1 and Pull Me Under or may have been As I Am, which I think they liked better due to the metalness of it.

Also I don't think either of them are actual rappers...don't have to be from the ghetto to rap either.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 14:44
5 pages on idiotic reaction videos...? Really..?
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 15:17
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

5 pages on idiotic reaction videos...? Really..?
Ermm

Better than any page on the fab four......Clap. And the Daily Doug is really more on musical theory rather than simply a reaction.


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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 15:52
Daily Doug and Critical Reactions are the only reaction videos I can watch without cringing.

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 16:06
I'd hardly call Doug's reaction videos idiotic.  I watched the one earlier on "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and thoroughly appreciated it, and I appreciate his approach (I love A Plague)..  He has a lot more to say from a music theory perspective than the vast majority of reviews.   It made me think of some of the most negative reviews on Pawn Hearts in PA, a divisive album, and how I wish Doug could maybe help those people to hear the music from a different perspective.  I'd like to listen some of his on music I have not appreciated.  I could not do what he does, at least not now as I have more difficulty retaining information and am altogether slower, even if I tried to really study music.  I wish Doug were a member of our forum, there are many things I'd like to ask him from an epistemological and ontological perspective when it comes to music analyses,  criticism and judgments of quality especially when one does not know the intent of the artist, and I'm interested in ethical considerations when it comes to criticism.  Not knowing my music theory very well limits how I can talk about music, unfortunately, and 15 years active at this music forum has hardly made me an expert.  Watching his videos I do think I'll become more versed in theory and hopefully be able to appreciate certain music at a deeper level of understanding.  Of course one can appreciate music and find it interesting without liking it.  I like how he describes the music, which I think the best reviewers are good at (even if not going into such detail), and I love various reviewers who focus more on describing their experience with the music.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 16:30
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL


Wow dude, white people can't say that and I think your white Steve LOL I can barely get away with it having poo-poo brown colored skin.

They are not fans of DT, I think they reacted to only Metropolis Part 1 and Pull Me Under or may have been As I Am, which I think they liked better due to the metalness of it.

Also I don't think either of them are actual rappers...don't have to be from the ghetto to rap either.
Of course you can't get away with it Jose. You don't have enough street cred homie.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 16:33
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'd hardly call Doug's reaction videos idiotic.  I watched the one earlier on "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and thoroughly appreciated it, and I appreciate his approach (I love A Plague)..  He has a lot more to say from a music theory perspective than the vast majority of reviews.   It made me think of some of the most negative reviews on Pawn Hearts in PA, a divisive album, and how I wish Doug could maybe help those people to hear the music from a different perspective.  I'd like to listen some of his on music I have not appreciated.  I could not do what he does, at least not now as I have more difficulty retaining information and am altogether slower, even if I tried to really study music.  I wish Doug were a member of our forum, there are many things I'd like to ask him from an epistemological and ontological perspective when it comes to music analyses,  criticism and judgments of quality especially when one does not know the intent of the artist, and I'm interested in ethical considerations when it comes to criticism.  Not knowing my music theory very well limits how I can talk about music, unfortunately, and 15 years active at this music forum has hardly made me an expert.  Watching his videos I do think I'll become more versed in theory and hopefully be able to appreciate certain music at a deeper level of understanding.  Of course one can appreciate music and find it interesting without liking it.  I like how he describes the music, which I think the best reviewers are good at (even if not going into such detail), and I love various reviewers who focus more on describing their experience with the music.

That's what I really like about his channel. I mentioned earlier, it actually made me think again about reading music as he was doing a reaction of Tarkus while following along with a piano transcription, he did same with Firth Of Fifth. It sparked something in my brain to go back to elementary school when I played clarinet in orchestra for 3 years, trying to read music again......Will I go further to try and teach myself more, maybe...Ermm

But I was starting to relate to a lot of stuff he was saying and again brought back some memories of music teachers I had in school.........I think it's cool if you can follow along and semi-read music.

You are spot on as what he is doing is giving me some different perspective on what to hear for especially in the lower registers that is the meat and bones of music. And I like that he is really into lyrics and themes, for the most part he will get the jist of a pc and understand what the artist was trying to convey and then he will relate that to the music and those moments that exude emotion. The ending of Firth Of Fifth where he describes the piano ending as being the 'river of constant change' as Tony Banks plays alternating keys....Clap


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 16:35
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL


Wow dude, white people can't say that and I think your white Steve LOL I can barely get away with it having poo-poo brown colored skin.

They are not fans of DT, I think they reacted to only Metropolis Part 1 and Pull Me Under or may have been As I Am, which I think they liked better due to the metalness of it.

Also I don't think either of them are actual rappers...don't have to be from the ghetto to rap either.
Of course you can't get away with it Jose. You don't have enough street cred homie.

Ahhh.....If you only knew the LA area where I grew up in Shocked.......Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 17:06
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'd hardly call Doug's reaction videos idiotic.  I watched the one earlier on "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and thoroughly appreciated it, and I appreciate his approach (I love A Plague)..  He has a lot more to say from a music theory perspective than the vast majority of reviews.   It made me think of some of the most negative reviews on Pawn Hearts in PA, a divisive album, and how I wish Doug could maybe help those people to hear the music from a different perspective.  I'd like to listen some of his on music I have not appreciated.  I could not do what he does, at least not now as I have more difficulty retaining information and am altogether slower, even if I tried to really study music.  I wish Doug were a member of our forum, there are many things I'd like to ask him from an epistemological and ontological perspective when it comes to music analyses,  criticism and judgments of quality especially when one does not know the intent of the artist, and I'm interested in ethical considerations when it comes to criticism.  Not knowing my music theory very well limits how I can talk about music, unfortunately, and 15 years active at this music forum has hardly made me an expert.  Watching his videos I do think I'll become more versed in theory and hopefully be able to appreciate certain music at a deeper level of understanding.  Of course one can appreciate music and find it interesting without liking it.  I like how he describes the music, which I think the best reviewers are good at (even if not going into such detail), and I love various reviewers who focus more on describing their experience with the music.

That's what I really like about his channel. I mentioned earlier, it actually made me think again about reading music as he was doing a reaction of Tarkus while following along with a piano transcription, he did same with Firth Of Fifth. It sparked something in my brain to go back to elementary school when I played clarinet in orchestra for 3 years, trying to read music again......Will I go further to try and teach myself more, maybe...Ermm

But I was starting to relate to a lot of stuff he was saying and again brought back some memories of music teachers I had in school.........I think it's cool if you can follow along and semi-read music.

You are spot on as what he is doing is giving me some different perspective on what to hear for especially in the lower registers that is the meat and bones of music. And I like that he is really into lyrics and themes, for the most part he will get the jist of a pc and understand what the artist was trying to convey and then he will relate that to the music and those moments that exude emotion. The ending of Firth Of Fifth where he describes the piano ending as being the 'river of constant change' as Tony Banks plays alternating keys....Clap

Very well said. Clap  I was in youth orchestra (trumpet), but I'm very rusty, luckily my trumpet isn't (it's brass).  I still play the piano and guitar a bit and remember how to read music, but I've had complaints about being a collab who can't easily tell the difference between lydian mode and ionian mode, LOL , nor am I good with time signatures beyond 3/4 and 4/4.  He really does me want to study and get more into music.   Just play more and compose more (I loved to compose music before, but I lacked the skill and worth ethic to play it well or transcribe it well -- I'm pretty good at humming).

 I really don't care for reaction videos generally, I do like some other topes of analyses videos (mostly in film, where I have more of a much stronger background in theory) but this is coming from someone who knows and understands music much better than I ever will.  I love that perspective he gives from someone who really knows about music and isn't just saying how it makes him feel, and he demonstrates an interest in the material.  Even if its known to me, I feel rather intrigued with him (how interested he actually is, I don't know). Whether it's his cup-of-tea doesn't really matter that much.  I would like to be able to be more objective with music, and describe it better with others too (even if I only talk about music with people at this forum).  He gives really good insights into music/ composition that could really help to bring one a much deeper appreciation.  

I can understand a lot of reaction videos  being thought of as idiotic, but Doug's, well he's so far above me that I'd be very happy to be anywhere near approaching his level of idiocy.  That said, I knew a word he didn't in that Plague video, paraffin as I recall, but we all have our strengths. LOL And it's not important to a music understanding.  And when it comes to lyrical themes, I might well have a different interpretation than Doug, and since he isn't as familiar with such music as I am, I probably would have some insights that he hasn't considered.

I so wish he would join this forum, but it's not something we would expect.  Even just in  the more general ways to appreciate, discuss and think about music without leaning on much music theory or specifics, I think a lot of us could learn from him.

By the way, I never wanted to be part of a rock band, but there's part of me that always wanted to be a film and television soundtrack composer.  And my wife was trying to convince me to make reaction videos some time ago.  A Logan reacts to PA posts and posters would be fun.LOL

On an earlier note made by Fried, I'd happily describe "The Last Seven Minutes" by Magma as jazzy funk-rock, but I am no music expert.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 17:18
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'd hardly call Doug's reaction videos idiotic.  I watched the one earlier on "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and thoroughly appreciated it, and I appreciate his approach (I love A Plague)..  He has a lot more to say from a music theory perspective than the vast majority of reviews.   It made me think of some of the most negative reviews on Pawn Hearts in PA, a divisive album, and how I wish Doug could maybe help those people to hear the music from a different perspective.  I'd like to listen some of his on music I have not appreciated.  I could not do what he does, at least not now as I have more difficulty retaining information and am altogether slower, even if I tried to really study music.  I wish Doug were a member of our forum, there are many things I'd like to ask him from an epistemological and ontological perspective when it comes to music analyses,  criticism and judgments of quality especially when one does not know the intent of the artist, and I'm interested in ethical considerations when it comes to criticism.  Not knowing my music theory very well limits how I can talk about music, unfortunately, and 15 years active at this music forum has hardly made me an expert.  Watching his videos I do think I'll become more versed in theory and hopefully be able to appreciate certain music at a deeper level of understanding.  Of course one can appreciate music and find it interesting without liking it.  I like how he describes the music, which I think the best reviewers are good at (even if not going into such detail), and I love various reviewers who focus more on describing their experience with the music.

That's what I really like about his channel. I mentioned earlier, it actually made me think again about reading music as he was doing a reaction of Tarkus while following along with a piano transcription, he did same with Firth Of Fifth. It sparked something in my brain to go back to elementary school when I played clarinet in orchestra for 3 years, trying to read music again......Will I go further to try and teach myself more, maybe...Ermm

But I was starting to relate to a lot of stuff he was saying and again brought back some memories of music teachers I had in school.........I think it's cool if you can follow along and semi-read music.

You are spot on as what he is doing is giving me some different perspective on what to hear for especially in the lower registers that is the meat and bones of music. And I like that he is really into lyrics and themes, for the most part he will get the jist of a pc and understand what the artist was trying to convey and then he will relate that to the music and those moments that exude emotion. The ending of Firth Of Fifth where he describes the piano ending as being the 'river of constant change' as Tony Banks plays alternating keys....Clap

Very well said. Clap  I was in youth orchestra (trumpet), but I'm very rusty, luckily my trumpet isn't (it's brass).  I still play the piano and guitar a bit and remember how to read music, but I've had complaints about being a collab who can't easily tell the difference between lydian mode and ionian mode, LOL , nor am I good with time signatures beyond 3/4 and 4/4.  He really does me want to study and get more into music.   Just play more and compose more (I loved to compose music before, but I lacked the skill and worth ethic to play it well or transcribe it well -- I'm pretty good at humming).

 I really don't care for reaction videos generally, I do like some other topes of analyses videos (mostly in film, where I have more of a much stronger background in theory) but this is coming from someone who knows and understands music much better than I ever will.  I love that perspective he gives from someone who really knows about music and isn't just saying how it makes him feel, and he demonstrates an interest in the material.  Even if its known to me, I feel rather intrigued with him (how interested he actually is, I don't know). Whether it's his cup-of-tea doesn't really matter that much.  I would like to be able to be more objective with music, and describe it better with others too (even if I only talk about music with people at this forum).  He gives really good insights into music that can really help with a much deeper appreciation.  

I can understand a lot of reaction videos  being thought of as idiotic, but Doug's, well he's so far above me that I'd be very happy to be anywhere near approaching his level of idiocy.  That said, I knew a word he didn't in that Plague video, paraffin as I recall, but we all have our strengths. LOL And it's not important to a music understanding.  And when it comes to lyrical themes, I might well have a different interpretation than Doug, and since he isn't as familiar with such music as I am, I probably would have some insights that he hasn't considered.

I so wish he would join this forum, but it's not something we would expect.  Even just in  the more general ways to appreciate, discuss and think about music without leaning on much music theory or specifics, I think a lot of us could learn from him.

By the way, I never wanted to be part of a rock band, but there's part of me that always wanted to be a film and television soundtrack composer.  And my wife was trying to convince me to make reaction videos some time ago.  A Logan reacts to PA posts and posters would be fun.LOL

On an earlier note made by Fried, I'd happily describe "The Last Seven Minutes" by Magma as jazzy funk-rock, but I am no music expert.
Would be a a solid addition if he would join and comment, for sure. I too find his giddy interest in music infectious, especially the progressive rock pcs he has reacted to.

The main take away from all these reactions is that the musicianship in the progressive rock genre is of a high/masterful level that I think both Doug and Rick Beato would attest to and the bulk of that being music that was created 40-50yrs ago.....the age when bands were really bands and recorded as a group.

The Log Reacts to PA.........LOL


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 21:43
Yeah, you have to distinguish Doug and Rick Beato's videos from other 'amateur enthusiast' kinda videos.  Doug and Rick break down the compositions and explain what makes them great.  You can plead subjectivity and claim such analysis itself is therefore futile but at any rate, such an analytical approach to the music is more interesting than merely the emotional reactions of fanboys/fangirls as they listen through.  Doug's analysis of Firth of the fifth was particularly brilliant. 


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 10 2021 at 21:57
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL

Oh, when it happens, it's probably worse than when they are gushing silly.

Here's a rather weird reaction to Ocean Gypsy.  Albeit you have to blame whoever made that youtuber listen to the Bottomline performance of that song as you couldn't find a more soporific version of it.




Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 11 2021 at 06:06
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Do any of these experts ever find fault with the music that they are reacting to? I mean even the 2 ghetto rappers on YouTube are ecstatic to listen to "My Best Friend's Girl" by the Cars! LOL

Oh, when it happens, it's probably worse than when they are gushing silly.

Here's a rather weird reaction to Ocean Gypsy.  Albeit you have to blame whoever made that youtuber listen to the Bottomline performance of that song as you couldn't find a more soporific version of it.


 
In deference to this girl reviewer, who ever she is, she said that she like's 80s rock better than 70s rock, so that says a lot about her tastes. Or a lack there of. Apart from being a pedestrian take on "Ocean Gypsy", I've always found the song to be a bore with melodramatic lyrics, "made for" Renaissance classical overtones, and synth strings. Too typical, in my book. Perhaps if she "reviewed" something more accessible like "Carpet of The Sun" or "Northern Lights", that would have appealed to her 80s pop tastes. Or even "Trip To The Fair" with it's macabre lyrics.

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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 11 2021 at 07:40
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I so wish he would join this forum, but it's not something we would expect.  Even just in  the more general ways to appreciate, discuss and think about music without leaning on much music theory or specifics, I think a lot of us could learn from him.

 
I don't know if he'll join, but I did let him know this was here on the interview show he was on a few weeks ago and he asked me for a link.  So he could be lurking.

I agree that he did an excellent job on "Firth," not only from the musical aspect, including it's very clever construction as well as discussing lyrically, how it all made sense on several levels.  




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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: June 11 2021 at 07:41
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The main take away from all these reactions is that the musicianship in the progressive rock genre is of a high/masterful level that I think both Doug and Rick Beato would attest to and the bulk of that being music that was created 40-50yrs ago.....the age when bands were really bands and recorded as a group.
  Hear, hear!  

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