3LP Live! Yessongs vs. Welcome Back My Friends...
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Topic: 3LP Live! Yessongs vs. Welcome Back My Friends...
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Subject: 3LP Live! Yessongs vs. Welcome Back My Friends...
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 15:36
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Two massive triple live albums from two massive live bands in the 70s. But which do you prefer? ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 16:15
| Yessongs all the way |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 16:42
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I think ELP's is a better live rendition. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 16:46
| Both are among my favorite live albums. I went with ELP, but not by much. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 17:21
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Yes gets the nod. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 17:26
| YESSONGS |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 17:51
This. I like the songs on Yessongs more, but the ELP live rendition adds more to them.
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The Dark Elf wrote:Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 18:32
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elp ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 20:18
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Yes. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: arturfd
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 20:25
| The set list of ELP is fantastic but needs a real very good remaster. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 20:41
| Yessongs isn't my favourite Yes live album, but I do like it better than Welcome Back my Friends... both are great, of course. If only Genesis had released it's own classic 70's live album with the complete show (I don't know if it would have needed to be a double or a triple), it would have made a perfect match with these other two. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 21:28
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Prefer ELP as a band to Yes hands down but have never cared for much of the sprawling acoustic centerpiece of Welcome Back (e.g. Take a Pebble gets bo-toxed to 25 minutes) The slapstick 'Keystone Cops' tempos on live staples like Hoedown merely represent a hollow victory for accuracy over feel. That said, it has perhaps the best live versions of Tarkus and Tocatta ever released and Emerson's improvisation and homage to Dick Hyman on Aquatarkus is a neglected Prog treasure. Voted for Yessongs for the superior production and set-list. Just want to echo the previous sentiments from arturfd: Welcome Back is begging for a remaster (My vinyl version sounds boggy and horrible) ------------- 
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 21:45
Well, even though Genesis never did the triple live album, I think both Genesis Live and Seconds Out are fantastic releases and easily compete with these two triples, particularly Seconds Out. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: July 04 2021 at 23:34
| This is almost impossible to answer. You could not find two better live performances let alone ones which were released in the triple lp format. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 00:11
| Yes it is. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 00:58
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Yessongs is my overall favourite live album, ------------- 
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 01:50
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ELP but not an easy choice. For me, it's the improvisations that put ELP's just above Yes's collection but side vs side it is something like this: Side 1: Yes Side 2: ELP Side 3: ELP Side 4: Yes Side 5: ELP Side 6: ELP
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 02:39
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Yessongs is an untouchable live prog recording for me. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 02:48
I haven't listened to either album in a long time. 
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Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 03:12
A new remaster was done in 2016, and it was re-issued on both 3LP and 2CD formats. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 03:34
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You should have thrown "Lotus" by Santana into the competition too; my vote would have gone there. Since it is missing Yes get my vote. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 04:18
there are at least a couple that I really like 2009 Deluxe Edition (Leadclass) 2016 Remaster (BMG) I don't think it will get any better to be honest. I know a lot of people consider it has a 'muddy sound' because it's so much weaker than the crystal clarity of Pictures but I think that's just how it is and no amount of remastering will fix it sadly. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 04:20
| I'm more of a Yes fan than ELP but in this case I would probably vote for ELP. It has a better versions of Tocatta, Tarkus (particularly the wonderful Aquatarkus), Take a Pebble has a much better piano section and it has the piano improvisations, so ELP wins it for me for being more different to the studio versions. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 04:23
I'm not sure I totally agree. The bootleg I have of ELP at at Rich Stadium in 1974 is probably their best performance on that tour. Their best performance <period> was probably at Mar y Sol in 1972 but that was pre BSS.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 04:30
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I do like the extended version of Yours Is No Disgrace and Six Wives excerpts of Yessongs but nevertheless voted for ELP. KE9 , Hoedown , Toccata and Tarkus are better for me than than the studio versions. Take A Pebble does drag though. I would have removed the whole acoustic/medley section and included the Pictures encore instead. |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 04:38
Really? I love the 'Pebble' section - and the 'conclusion' is wonderful. We moaned about them not doing the conclusion in the hotel bar after High Voltage. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 05:20
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WBMFTTSTNELAGELP A mouthful to be sure, but an unparalleled version of Tarkus, an incredible piano exploration with Piano Improvisation and a grand finale with Karn Evil 9. Plus...I just got a replacement LP version copy for my collection from Discogs last Friday. Neither has the best sound quality so my choice is based purely on performance.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 07:13
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ELP here not crazy about some of the live versions on Yessongs The studio versions are so much better ( at least for me ). ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 08:07
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I love both ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 09:46
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Two massive triple live albums that I love that belong to two of my favourite prog bands. My favourite of all is "Playing The Fool" of Gentle Giant. Since it isn't here, I decided to choose "Yessongs" by a thin hair.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 11:09
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Yessongs ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 17:19
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The more I listen to ELP, the less I like them. Emerson's keyboard playing just doesn't do it for me. Yessongs is very good, though. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 20:09
But just to know that Genesis Live is an incomplete performance, missing several of the better songs from the set-list, diminishes my apreciation of it. On the Live Box-set, which is how I got their live albums, they also have a recording of a Live at the Rainbow show, which seems to be from the same tour. Unfortunatley, that show is only complete in DVD audio, and on CD it only has the songs that were missing from the Genesis Live one (unfortunatley, because I sort of liked better the performance on The Rainbow, and the pair of CDs don't flow as the show would have). About Seconds Out, as much as I want to like that one better (since I actually like Phil Collins better as a singer, and he does improve some of the songs for me), I think it suffers from the same problem of missing songs that were actually played during the tour, and unfortunatley they didn't choose many of my favourite songs, but I don't like how Hackett was mixed a bit too low on that one... and I really wish they had chosen recordings with Bill Bruford for all the album, and going just a bit further, I wish they had gotten a flute player to tour with them... perhaps even Steve's brother might have worked fine. Oh yeah, and in both albums, I wish they had played Firth of Fifth complete with the piano intro. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 20:35
| ^The decision to ditch the piano intro of Firth was a practical decision. I know Tony hated playing it on anything other than a piano, since many of the keyboards lacked weighted keys. As a keyboard player myself, I can understand this. But yeah, still, would love to have it. |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: July 05 2021 at 21:23
As someone who took piano lessons for years, who's home piano has almost always been a fake weighted imitation upright keyboard, the feeling of playing on a real piano legitimately changes my confidence and how well I play, and also how much I want to play. If that had anything to do with the unfortunate snipping of that gorgeous piano intro, I totally understand. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 07 2021 at 16:39
Indeed, Lotus is tremendous! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: July 07 2021 at 16:44
| Prefer the sound of WMFTTSTE. However the Yes album is still fine for all the sound problems. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 11 2021 at 05:36
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Score draw. Both could do with decent remastering which might have happened I've long since gotten confused by all this. Both killer live one stop shops for two of the most awesome bands ever. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: July 15 2021 at 00:52
They can remaster it any way they want. It's still one of the most incredible live performances I've ever listened to.
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: July 15 2021 at 00:55
Probably would've considered it if I'd ever heard or heard of it. Thanks for the rec though. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 15 2021 at 14:31
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here side 6 of the Santana live album "Lotus", consisting only of one track, an ultra-long version of "Incident at Neshabur" from their 1970 album "Abraxas": -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 15 2021 at 15:59
^I bought that LP from I guy I went to school with for $10. It's now has a timeshare on my turntable.  ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: July 16 2021 at 01:13
Agreed it's one of the few triple live albums that doesn't become a feat of endurance to listen to... much better than the live tracks on Moonflower [an album which works better in my experience if you separate out the studio tracks and then listen to the live ones - only really practicable in digital format.]
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: July 16 2021 at 01:20
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^Triple LP - which usually translates to double CD. ------------- "We're going to need a bigger swear jar." Chloë Grace Moretz as Mindy McCready aka 'Hit Girl' in Kick-Ass 2 |