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Starless vs. The Cinema Show

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Topic: Starless vs. The Cinema Show
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Subject: Starless vs. The Cinema Show
Date Posted: August 19 2021 at 21:49
These are both about 12 minutes and are a great mix of great vocal melodies and really strong extended instrumental passages. 

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 19 2021 at 23:00
As much as I love TCS, I can't vote against STarless. 

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 01:21
The Cinema Show is one of the finest moments in prog.
Starless isn't.


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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 02:52
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The Cinema Show is one of the finest moments in prog.
Starless isn't.

Couldn't have put it better myself...


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 03:16
Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The Cinema Show is one of the finest moments in prog.
Starless isn't.

Couldn't have put it better myself...

WELL....

I came here to completely agree.

Cinema Show is Tony Banks' finest hour on display outside of Firth of Fifth IMHO. That solo at the end of CS is like guitar-shred worthy lines.


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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 03:18
Starless


Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 04:23
I love them both too much to vote against either of them! 
Because they also also very different in spirit, I cannot decide which one I'd love more.

Let's say this: if you took a four-minute vocal-included excerpt of both, the winner would be Starless, which loses when judged by their instrumental sections.


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 04:47
”Home from work . . .”

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 04:47
impossible to choose


Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 05:23
But Starless appears to be the most eclectic one, so... no vote. It's impossible to vote against these two masterpieces.


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 06:36
Hard choice for me.  Today probably Starless. Tomorrow.....I don't know.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 06:46
I'll vote for Genesis. Love both songs. I don't have a strong preference.

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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 07:53
 Interesting match up.Both are great songs.  Went with The Cinema Show.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 08:22
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The Cinema Show is one of the finest moments in prog.
Starless isn't.

Agree 100%


Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 09:56
Genesis. However Starless is a tremendous piece of music.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 12:13
Starless is a masterpiece.

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 13:08
I'm not a fan of the Starless & Bible Black album, but I still prefer Starless to The Cinema Show. Confused


Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 13:23
Starless for me. ^ Paul, Starless is from the album Red.

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 14:01
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Starless is a masterpiece.


Both are masterpieces in my subjective judgment, but I voted Starless.

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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 14:44
To me, Starless is King Crimson's greatest achievement. The Cinema Show is great, Genesis have more outstanding music even on SEBTP.

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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 15:12
Starless would be one of the first songs I'd choose to introduce someone to both King Crimson and prog. The Cinema Show is great too - probably my third favorite song on Selling England... but it's not Starless


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 15:29
The Cinema Show. Both songs belong to the best of these bands' respective catalogs.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 19:13
As much as I love both, I must go with Starless. Live version from the 70's.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 19:37
Cinema Show because it has a flow which I love.  


Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: August 20 2021 at 21:32
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Starless is a masterpiece.


Both are masterpieces in my subjective judgment, but I voted Starless.

Exactly this, both are masterpieces but i voted Cinema Show


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 21 2021 at 04:38
Cinema Show (studio) is fantastic and then comes to a slow stop annoyingly hence why the live version is a must.
Starless - better as a studio piece although John Wetton always did great live versions. Voted for that one.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 21 2021 at 04:40
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Starless would be one of the first songs I'd choose to introduce someone to both King Crimson and prog. The Cinema Show is great too - probably my third favorite song on Selling England... but it's not Starless

This.


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 21 2021 at 09:46
Starless narrowly over The Cinema Show. Very difficult choice as they're both amazing songs.

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 21 2021 at 10:02
It's quite interesting to see the diversity of opinion here when it comes to the claims, or it would be if it weren't so par for the course. There could be some good debate here if it didn't ultimately boil down to taste and personal bias. De gustibus non est disputandum.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 21 2021 at 20:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Cinema Show (studio) is fantastic and then comes to a slow stop annoyingly hence why the live version is a must.
Starless - better as a studio piece although John Wetton always did great live versions. Voted for that one.


I like both better live. Cinema show gets a bit more of life on live versions, specially on the keyboard solo part. Starless, the first versions I heard were the live ones (which were actually played before the studio one), and for me, that intro melody was made to be played with a violin (even though I don't have proof, I believe it to be actually true), and doesn't sound quiet as beautiful with the guitars... and the same melody reprise at the end, I find it more powerful with the electric guitars than with the sax (though perhaps it's necessary to hear the right live version, for me, the one on Collectable King Crimson vol 1, live in Mainz disc).



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