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Topic: Capital letters rant
Posted By: Lewian
Subject: Capital letters rant
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 04:50
Some bands are by a number of people written in capital letters only. Sometimes even the bands themselves do that or their labels, meaning that when I buy their stuff in digital format, band names are capitalised. In my system I don't like this because it isn't consistent with the others, and actually more often than not, they're not consistently doing that themselves, so I have to edit the band name in order for my system to recognise that YES are actually Yes, CAN are Can, and MONO are Mono.

Is there anybody out there who'd like to defend capitalisation? Angry (As long as we're not talking about abbreviations such as PFM.)



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 05:23
There's absolutely no defense for all-capitals--  my God, even posties Ui don't use all-caps! ... that said, how about the NeBeLNeST font where only consonants are capitalized ~

NeBeLNeST NeBeLNeST album cover


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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 05:34
And a few bands stylize there name in all lowercase. No prog bands coming to mind right now, but there was a post punk band that went by lowercase.


Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 05:54
The band CAB adds an extra layer of confusion: the name is an abbreviation of the original lineup (Dennis Chambers, Tony MacAlpine & Bunny Brunel) and it's always fully capitalized, but the recurrent use of photos of taxicabs on their album covers leads me to believe that it's meant to be pronounced like the word "Cab".


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:02
YES, I know what you mean, but I'm in no RUSH to change. Wink


Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:06
That makes me think of Komara (or KoMaRa or KOMARA depending on where you look). Made up of David Kollar, Pat Mastelotto, and Paolo Raineri.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:22
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

And a few bands stylize there name in all lowercase. No prog bands coming to mind right now, but there was a post punk band that went by lowercase.


black midi do the same thing.

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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:25
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

And a few bands stylize there name in all lowercase. No prog bands coming to mind right now, but there was a post punk band that went by lowercase.

Yes, I've seen this too, and it's no better.


Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:36
I capitalised my "Sorcerer" lest it might be confused with "Chronos". I'm not a deity FFS! LOL Chronos is even ambiguous per se.

As for the topic, I can understand YES, as the word sounds like a non-band name. CAN is also okay. It is also a modal verb. RUSH is not that okay. If I named a band (I did actually), I wouldn't use capital letters though.

There's dredg that doesn't use capitalisation. There are many more of course.


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:44
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Some bands are by a number of people written in capital letters only. Sometimes even the bands themselves do that or their labels, meaning that when I buy their stuff in digital format, band names are capitalised. In my system I don't like this because it isn't consistent with the others, and actually more often than not, they're not consistently doing that themselves, so I have to edit the band name in order for my system to recognise that YES are actually Yes, CAN are Can, and MONO are Mono.

Is there anybody out there who'd like to defend capitalisation? Angry (As long as we're not talking about abbreviations such as PFM.)
Exactly what 'System' are you talking about that is case sensitive?

BTW...
ABBA, AKT, ASIA, CIRCA:, FM, FROM.UZ, GTR, RPWL, TOOL, U2, UB40, UK, XTC, XYZ



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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:54
I feel like the group EUPHORIUM_freakestra really combines the best of all worlds Tongue


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:57
I donít think thereís anything we can do about it, so I just change it when needed. 
I guess is one of the things we have to deal with when we talk about the digital format. 


Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:57
And don't forget iNFiNiEN, for mixed caps.

I really don't care how the bands capitalize their names, but I do frequently have to edit MP3 tags to make their name consistent from album to album so that they show up as the same artist. A recent case in point: Arti & Mestieri (on Universi Paralleli) vs Arti + Mesteri (on Tilt) vs Arti E Mestieri (in PA).

Let 'em do what they want. It's their name. And the folks that tag MP3 files will probably never be consistent.




Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 06:59

xAxVxLxExGxBxMxAxOxFxFxFxAxSxSxSxSxIxTxIxMxIxWxOxAxMxNxDxUxTxRxOxAxBxCxWxAxPxWxAxExIxIxPxPxOxHxFxFxFx

101 letters

The title of this South African brutal death metal band stands for:

Oops, its meaning is atrocious. Look it up at your own peril.



Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 07:07
Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:


Let 'em do what they want. It's their name. And the folks that tag MP3 files will probably never be consistent.

If people had to go to prison for this, I bet this would end that practice. Tongue


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 07:12
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

xAxVxLxExGxBxMxAxOxFxFxFxAxSxSxSxSxIxTxIxMxIxWxOxAxMxNxDxUxTxRxOxAxBxCxWxAxPxWxAxExIxIxPxPxOxHxFxFxFx

101 letters

The title of this South African brutal death metal band stands for:

Oops, its meaning is atrocious. Look it up at your own peril.

You have way too many x's in that.
It's actually...

XAVLEGBMAOFFFASSSSITIMIWOAMNDUTROABCWAPWAEIIPPOHFFFX

And yes...Atrocious is a good description, although it's shock for shock value only IMO.
It takes little imagination to create such stuff.


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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 07:14
^ The "x"s there are in their "official" band name. Google says so.

I agree of course. Not even a "shock" value for us, mature people. I presume. Childish...


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 07:25
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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...so I have to edit the band name in order for my system to recognize that YES are actually Yes, CAN are Can, and MONO are Mono.

Is there anybody out there who'd like to defend capitalisation? Angry (As long as we're not talking about abbreviations such as PFM.)

Hi,

I don't have an opinion as such on this ... each person/group/band will do what they feel they need to and we all accept that is Ok, and a part of their individuality.

In some cases there are some circumstances that make sense. In the case of YES, and CAN, I can see that the capitalization of the letters is probably a way to ensure that folks realize that it is a band and not just something else. Can, specially, would be a more interesting reason, since in those days, you bought large amounts of ________ and it was called a "can", at least here in the West Coast. 

PFM or BMS, is fine since they abbreviations of their actual name, but Mono, I can not imagine a reason for it, unless there already was a band named "Mono" somewhere else.

Not really sure how to even discuss this ... since reasons are not always visible although I think that YES/Yes is likely more obvious than the others.

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

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FM, GTR, RPWL, XTC, XYZ


FM, GTR and RWPL (I think) are fine since they appear to be abbreviations. XTC is a definite odd one, but on par with the personality of the band. XYZ is one of those ... what? I think they named the band to simply state that the name did not mean a whole lot besides the music!


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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 07:39
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ The "x"s there are in their "official" band name. Google says so.

I agree of course. Not even a "shock" value for us, mature people. I presume. Childish...


https://www.discogs.com/artist/5283430-XAVLEGBMAOFFFASSSSITIMIWOAMNDUTROABCWAPWAEIIPPOHFFFX" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/artist/5283430-XAVLEGBMAOFFFASSSSITIMIWOAMNDUTROABCWAPWAEIIPPOHFFFX


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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 07:56
^ That should be in order not to "explode" the internet. The shortening thing. Lots of sources that I trust include the "x"es there. Again the "also known as" and the "aka" thing. I think both are correct. For the precise official name, we should ask their record label, if there's any.


Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 10:44
I stick to reserving all caps for band names that are abbreviations (e.g. PFM), acronyms (e.g. ABBA) or short names with digits (e.g. UB40), otherwise I stick to the conventional capitalisation for proper nouns. That way everything is much easier to read.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 15:00
Another reason digital suxs!! Don't let digital create cancel culture in music......

CAN phucking rule!!!!


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 15:07
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

xAxVxLxExGxBxMxAxOxFxFxFxAxSxSxSxSxIxTxIxMxIxWxOxAxMxNxDxUxTxRxOxAxBxCxWxAxPxWxAxExIxIxPxPxOxHxFxFxFx

101 letters

The title of this South African brutal death metal band stands for:

Oops, its meaning is atrocious. Look it up at your own peril.

You have way too many x's in that.
It's actually...

XAVLEGBMAOFFFASSSSITIMIWOAMNDUTROABCWAPWAEIIPPOHFFFX

And yes...Atrocious is a good description, although it's shock for shock value only IMO.
It takes little imagination to create such stuff.


I reviewed their album a way back. BOOOOOOOORING (in all caps)


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 15:09
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Another reason digital suxs!! Don't let digital create cancel culture in music......

Can phucking rule!!!!

That sums it up neatly. Tongue


Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 16:32
ni

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 17:03
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

ni


ni hao!

你好

Sounds like Lewian needs to learn a Chinese language!

No capital or lowercase letters.

In fact NO letters at all!


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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 17:52
ni

As you pointed out when reviewing their albums, "emphatically lower case".

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 18:27
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

ni

As you pointed out when reviewing their albums, "emphatically lower case".


ni hao means hello in mandarin chinese!

as i've learned through learning the three jurisdictions of LAW, capitalization changes intrinsic jurisdiction over the name presented

as for stylizing band names, doesn't really bother me


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 04:41
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

There's absolutely no defense for all-capitals--  my God, even posties Ui don't use all-caps! ... that said, how about the NeBeLNeST font where only consonants are capitalized ~

This is a bit off-topic, but some of the newsgroups I used to hang out in while in college (late 1980s into early 1990s, before the WWW became what it is today) made use of similar forms of capitalization for entire posts. I think sometimes it was meant to mock something (as this happened more often in flame groups), but it seemed some of the goofier posters just liked the way it looked. I even wrote a script in an ancient programming language called Rexx (on a VM/CMS mainframe) that did this to blocks of text using a random number generator (didn't have to write this, was just a call to a subroutine package).



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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 04:58
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

ni


ni hao!

你好

Sounds like Lewian needs to learn a Chinese language!

No capital or lowercase letters.

In fact NO letters at all!

I always wanted to do that but I'm too stupid for it. Ouch


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 05:05
^ not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of time and dedication.

Mandarin Chinese is quite logical and easier than you think once you recognize radicals.

The hardest part is memorizing all the characters and the tones.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 10:53
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of time and dedication.

Mandarin Chinese is quite logical and easier than you think once you recognize radicals.

The hardest part is memorizing all the characters and the tones.

Ohh yes, tones is a biggy. I traveled to China for work for a previous company, of course 'knee-how' was first thing I learned. I picked up quite a bit of Mandarin during my trips, none of it stuck though. Fascinating culture, and all the food I ate was nothing short of spectacular.


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Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 11:05
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 11:15
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of time and dedication.

Mandarin Chinese is quite logical and easier than you think once you recognize radicals.

The hardest part is memorizing all the characters and the tones.

Ohh yes, tones is a biggy. I traveled to China for work for a previous company, of course 'knee-how' was first thing I learned. I picked up quite a bit of Mandarin during my trips, none of it stuck though. Fascinating culture, and all the food I ate was nothing short of spectacular.


I've studied Mandarin a bit but am by no means an expert. On the positive side, there are no capital letters! No plurals and the grammar is fairly straight forward. If i had more time i would love to explore the language and culture more but only so many hours in a puppy day :D


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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 11:24
^I studied Mandarin at university, although because of clashes with my major, I had to drop it. But it was far more simple and logical than I was expecting. The hardest part is definitely getting the four tones correct. (One word can have four different meanings depending on the intonation.)
Even learning the characters was easier than I expected.



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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 11:26
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of time and dedication.

Mandarin Chinese is quite logical and easier than you think once you recognize radicals.

The hardest part is memorizing all the characters and the tones.

Of course you're right; in fact stupidity was a stupid word to use there Tongue, but my memory is really bad.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 11:33
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^I studied Mandarin at university, although because of clashes with my major, I had to drop it. But it was far more simple and logical than I was expecting. The hardest part is definitely getting the four tones correct. (One word can have four different meanings depending on the intonation.)
Even learning the characters was easier than I expected.



Exactly. Once you learn the radicals (components of the characters) it IS logical indeed.

The one annoying problem with characters though is that you can't use a dictionary until you learn all the radicals and recognize which ones are primary!

At least Mandarin has 4 tones. Some Chinese languages like Cantonese have 6!!!!


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 16:06
Interesting (or not) side note, MUSEA Records CD issues had a habit of capitalizing peoplesí LAST NAMES in the liner notes. So you can read about Christian VANDER or Frederic LíEP…E or Kirt RUST or Gilbert GANDIL etc. Since then Iíve made a point of saying their last names more loudly.

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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: November 25 2021 at 18:45
It's a little annoying sometimes, but I usually don't really care. I look at the pictures more than the text.

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