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Topic: ELP vs Yes battle
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Subject: ELP vs Yes battle
Date Posted: December 21 2021 at 20:49
Two side long epics that deal in their own way with the futility of war. Which one wins the fight.

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I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas



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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 21 2021 at 20:58
Gates

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 01:37
War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing else makes a lasting peacetime possible. I like both tracks but voted for the one with the armed armadillo.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 02:02
Tough choice, but I'll go with Tarkus.

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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 02:05
why such a bad thread title when you have two songs in the poll? 

Why is this under "general polls"?

Tarkus gets the vote today. 


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 03:13
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


Why is this under "general polls"?
 

Indeed, this is about as prog polly as polls get... Interesting pairing though, both pretty much the best what these bands did. I think I go for Yes, just about, but it can be different on another day.


Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 03:26
Tarkus. ;-)

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 03:55

Tarkus for me, as well

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 04:01
Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Two side long epics that deal in their own way with the futility of war. Which one wins the fight.

I think, it would be good to tell from which albums they are. 


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                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 05:00
Tarkus


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 05:04

Aallriight, JD!


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                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 05:27
Tarkus


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 05:47
This is a hard one for me, since I’m love both very much. I’ll have to think a lot before I can vote.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 06:40
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing ....

If I remember it right that's lyrics from the song War by Frankie Goes to Hollywood ?


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Posted By: Argentinfonico
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 07:13
The Gates Of Delirium easily. Even it can be considered the best composition of Yes.

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-Will I see you tonight?
-I never make plans that far ahead.

Casablanca (1942)


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 07:19
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing ....

If I remember it right that's lyrics from the song War by Frankie Goes to Hollywood ?


That's an 80's cover. It was written by Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong for the Motown label in 1969. Good song from a musical perspective with 'right on' anti Vietnam war sentiments but from the vantage point of several thousands of years of history, complete hippie bollocks.


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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 07:25
Yes (today, at least).

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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 07:30
The Gates of Delirium.

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Jem Godfrey (Frost*)


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 07:37
Two beasts, but Gates takes it.

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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 08:32
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing ....

If I remember it right that's lyrics from the song War by Frankie Goes to Hollywood ?


That's an 80's cover. It was written by Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong for the Motown label in 1969. Good song from a musical perspective with 'right on' anti Vietnam war sentiments but from the vantage point of several thousands of years of history, complete hippie bollocks.

Thank you, good to know.


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                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 08:47
This is the version I think we all grew up with.
Classic !




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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 09:05
^ Absolutely nothing! Wink

By the way, Edwin Starr was a local Northern Soul legend in the nightclubs of my home town of Nottingham after moving to England from The States in the 1970's. 


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 11:26
Gates is my favorite epic. Tarkus is probably second.

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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 11:31
Went with Tarkus here. Don't love Gates as much as some people do. 


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 11:45
Tarkus for me,,,,I also think Gates is less pleasing to my ears.

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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 11:56
Delirium, but this is very close.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 12:58
The armadillo....

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Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 13:19
I love both of these band and tracks. My choice goes to 'Gates" though.  
Is war futile ?  I think war is utter failure, and nothing less. Men go to war because they've let all other options fail. 


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"Peace to you all"
"La paix est avec vous"
"Pax vobiscum"
"Al salaam a'alaykum"
"Vrede zij met u allen"
"Shalom aleichem"


Posted By: felonafan
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 14:18
Gates!


Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 14:28
Relayers marchers easily outflank the Tarkus hedgehog tank thing, storming through the gates of delirium, chasing the Tarkus mass from the battlefield.

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Songs cast a light on you


Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 14:53
I cast my vote for Tarkus.

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 15:01
Gates McFadden

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that's a happy bag of lettuce
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 15:31
^Oooo, I'll second that ! Thumbs Up


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 22 2021 at 22:25
Tarkus. Yes have done better things than Gates


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 00:18
The Gates of Delirium for me. I can't stand the Mass section on Tarkus.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 00:52
Gates flows very nicely. In my opinion it's the best prog epic followed by Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers, Suppers Ready and Karn Evil 9.


Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 17:43
                             
                                "Clear the battlefield and let me see
                         All the profit from our victory"

"Tarkus" came out charging and was on a roll until its hairy snout ran into "The Gates...".

"The Gates..." held firm and now "Tarkus" is on its armored back with its tracks in the air.

                            "... there will be no sorrow
                                       Be no pain."


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I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas


Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 18:49
Tarkus easily. Great epic.


Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 06:27
The Gates of Delirium for me, but it's a very close call.

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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 07:13
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing ....

If I remember it right that's lyrics from the song War by Frankie Goes to Hollywood ?

Actually, "War, what is it good for?" was the original title for War And Peace













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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 13:06
Both are great, but my vote goes to Tarkus.
 



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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 16:01
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing ....

If I remember it right that's lyrics from the song War by Frankie Goes to Hollywood ?

Actually, "War, what is it good for?" was the original title for War And Peace

For the fallen (down this rabbit hole):















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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 07:50
tiny bump! Smile


Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 08:11
Tarkus

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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 08:28
Delirium by a short head... both premier league prog masterpieces.... Cool

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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 08:29
Tarkus. Smile


Posted By: Magog2112
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 09:51
The Gates of Delirium gets my vote only because it contains "Soon."


Posted By: Hector Enrique
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 17:07
Tarkus for very little


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 17:16
Tarkus

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My face IS a maserati


Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 17:24
Gates of Delirium


Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 19:32
Surely Gates.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 26 2024 at 22:01
I voted Gates 2 years ago and would not change that despite being a massive Keith Emerson/ELP fan. Interesting to see that ELP is not that far behind, maybe getting some belated respect and also recognition that Tarkus is an important piece coming out in 1971 when bands were not often tackling side long epics as much and maybe Tarkus helped encourage that more after the album went to NO1 in the UK album charts. Greg Lake had his reservations but sensibly wasn't prepared to split the band up over it.


Posted By: Boi_da_boi_124
Date Posted: January 28 2024 at 08:53
I picked Tarkus and am shocked so many agree.


Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: January 28 2024 at 11:43
Tarkus

I like "The Gates of Delirium". When it comes to ELP vs. YES, I'll go with ELP because of the vocals, which have been more of a factor nowadays. I don't even pay attention to lyrics anymore.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 28 2024 at 11:55
Tarkus.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 28 2024 at 18:57
Gates for sure. Tarkus seems to have at least one section that goes on too long. It's still great but I much prefer GoD.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 25 2024 at 06:11
How can the best ELP epic be losing vs the worst Yes epic? My own opinion of course. I absolutely love both the bands.


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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: February 25 2024 at 11:40
almost a draw, obvious :-)

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Posted By: MitchwithDasticks
Date Posted: March 23 2024 at 18:09
Tarkus- even though it is mildly overrated. 


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 24 2024 at 17:40
Gates and it's not even close. 


Posted By: TenYearsAfter
Date Posted: March 24 2024 at 18:34
What a tough choice, both are symphonic rock masterpieces, dynamic with lots of exciting moments, I love the Hammond work in Tarkus but in the end I consider The Gates Of Delirium as a more original and adventurous composition, Moraz fueled Howe to unexplored territories!



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