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KINGS X

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Topic: KINGS X
Posted By: maxsmusic
Subject: KINGS X
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 15:17
This is band is totally underrated and may be the greatest hard rock band ever.  There is soul, emotion and extreme musicianship here if one wants to find it.  I HOPE YOU DO.



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 15:33
King's X is one of my favorite bands, for over thirty years now! I can't wait for the long-awaited new album!




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Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 15:41
This band paid their dues in spades and are still paying them. 



Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 16:26
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

This band paid their dues in spades and are still paying them.  They play clubs as people don't want to see great music and only a select few know about this band.  They are probably the greatest band that ever played with total emotion.  This includes lame bands like The Rolling Stones and the Beatles.  They played to sh*t and people who think that is art are dumb. POP bands tend to suck.  I like Gentle Giant.  Nuff said.


I was somewhat familiar with King's X and was looking into the band's music as I'm ever liking to expand my palette, but my enthusiasm was deflated with your commentary on The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and their audiences. And I like Gentle Giant too. Bigging up music and art while putting down others isn't a strategy that I find endearing,

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 17:03
This is one incredible clip! Check out the user comments.




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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 17:13
I've never owned any of their albums but I saw them in concert once and they were great. 

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 01 2022 at 17:38
I love Kings X as well and have for a while but I love the Beatles too so don’t be calling them lame.

The Stones were ok but never a favorite but once again no need to degrade other artists while bringing attention to one you love

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 06:33
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

This band paid their dues in spades and are still paying them.  They play clubs as people don't want to see great music and only a select few know about this band.  They are probably the greatest band that ever played with total emotion.  This includes lame bands like The Rolling Stones and the Beatles.  They played to sh*t and people who think that is art are dumb. POP bands tend to suck.  I like Gentle Giant.  Nuff said.
Well you're entitled to your opinion but two of those bands you have mentioned are generally regarded as amongst the greatest of all time and the other one is Kings X, who every few people have heard of.


Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 06:48
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

King's X is one of my favorite bands, for over thirty years now! I can't wait for the long-awaited new album!


Album just added to the database:
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 08:10
Can't wait for the new album. I've been a fan since around 1990. One of the best bands that sadly few have heard of. They really should have broken through but never did.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 11:28
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Can't wait for the new album. I've been a fan since around 1990. One of the best bands that sadly few have heard of. They really should have broken through but never did.

When Dogman came out, I thought it would finally be their hour. They got the opening slot on the Scorpions tour that year. Their performance at Woodstock was televised. The new video for "Dogman" was on regular rotation. Pearl Jam's Jeff Ament openly praised them in print, saying their "next album" (which became Dogman) would "be appreciated."

Unfortunately, the seas didn't part for the one of the best bands out there. Ear Candy came out and that's another killer album, but the buzz around it wasn't as strong.

Btw, do you like KXM (dUg Pinnick, George Lynch, Ray Luzier)? Three albums. They've got some killer songs!


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 11:31
Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Album just added to the database:
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Thumbs Up Nice! It's still two months away, durnit.


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 15:39
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:


Btw, do you like KXM (dUg Pinnick, George Lynch, Ray Luzier)? Three albums. They've got some killer songs!

I've sampled some of KXM but it didn't really grab me. I'll give them another go. 

I definitely more of a fan of Ty's other projects and solo stuff than Dug's.


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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 16:10
I am a fan. I have seen them a few times --- foe Out of the Silent Planet, Gretchen. And Tapehead. Liked their last two albums, which had harder sound to them. Looking forward to the new album. Doubt they will be playing anywhere close to where I live, but would like to see them live. Impressive that Dug is still going strong at age 71.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 18:27
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Btw, do you like KXM (dUg Pinnick, George Lynch, Ray Luzier)? Three albums. They've got some killer songs!

I've sampled some of KXM but it didn't really grab me. I'll give them another go. 

I definitely more of a fan of Ty's other projects and solo stuff than Dug's.

KXM didn't grab me with their first one. But then I sampled some songs from the second that were much closer to the King's X sound. George's solos are his best since his Dokken heyday.


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Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 01:19
A good band ! I've got a best-of of King's X and a CD by Ty Tabor.
But I don't think they are one of the best bands in the hard-rock/heavy-metal history (only one album is mentioned in the anthologies of this style of music).


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 01:39
well they're no Planet X




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Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 05:11
Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

King's X is one of my favorite bands, for over thirty years now! I can't wait for the long-awaited new album!


Album just added to the database:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75939" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75939

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Sacrifice to make holy


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 05:14
I realize art is totally subjective and we all have views that may offend others.  I was too emotional at the time of that post.  I don't really dislike pop bands, I just find them to be irrelevant to my life.  Others may worship them like they are gods. To each his own.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 10:54
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

well they're no Planet X

Er, okay? Planet X and King's X are poles apart. Are we going to compare Pink Floyd and Return to Forever next?


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 13:39
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

well they're no Planet X

Er, okay? Planet X and King's X are poles apart. Are we going to compare Pink Floyd and Return to Forever next?

They don't need to be that.
Also they came 10 years before Planet X (or so). 

Excellent band all around, a ton of great songs.

Whoever missed King's X in recent years should have checked The Jelly Jam, KXM, Dug Pinnick solo, Ty Tabor solo, that's what i know, I'm sure there's more. 


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 13:49
Planet X is great jazz fusion.  It's like comparing Bach with Run DMC.  Kings X is heavy melodic rock music with the emphasis on heavy, as we have drop C tuning on the bass.  They don't fit in any genre as they play music that dose not fit into a box.  You can't put God in a Box.  Music is feeling not Sound.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 13:53
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

Planet X is great jazz fusion with Derick.  It's like comparing Bach with Run DMC.  Kings X is heavy melodic rock music with the emphasis on heavy, as we have drop C tuning on the bass.  They don't fit in any genre as they play music that dose not fit into a box.  You can't put God in a Box.

You should listen to Platypus, it's Ty Tabor with Derek Sherinian, Rod Morgenstein and John Myung. 


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 13:57
Shall We Desend?


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:01
Planet X is great music.  Instrumental heavy jazz with rock motifs.  The Jelly Jam is also worthy of your attention.  Anything Ty does is really nice.  His solo albums are phenomenal.  Jerry has two good solo albums and Dug is all over the place in his projects.  They keep busy.


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:11
When bands wait 10 -12 years to release an album, like Kings X and Porcupine Tree, the pent up demand is heavy and the fans are waiting and wondering, like they are lost in Germany.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:16
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

When bands wait 10 -12 years to release an album, like Kings X and Porcupine Tree, the pent up demand is heavy and the fans are waiting and wondering, like they are lost in Germany.

Again, it's not like the musicians stood around doing nothing! Tongue


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:25
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

Planet X is great jazz fusion.  It's like comparing Bach with Run DMC.  Kings X is heavy melodic rock music with the emphasis on heavy, as we have drop C tuning on the bass.  They don't fit in any genre as they play music that dose not fit into a box.  You can't put God in a Box.  Music is feeling not Sound.

Yeah, it makes no sense comparing bands like that. They're about completely different things. They paint with different sonic brushes on vastly different canvases. That's why I never compare bands with keyboardists as leaders (ELP, Ars Nova, Niacin, etc.) with guitar-led bands, let alone trios. They scratch different itches, and I need every itch scratched, and plenty. LOL


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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:25
 @masxmusic: Ermm  You must be a native English speaker, but I thought I learned English at school; I'm a bit lost at understanding what you try to convey in your last three posts here...


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:36
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Whoever missed King's X in recent years should have checked The Jelly Jam, KXM, Dug Pinnick solo, Ty Tabor solo, that's what i know, I'm sure there's more.

The Mob (one self-titled album, 2005)

dUg Pinnick (bass, lead vocals) + Kelly Keagy (drums, lead vocals on one song) + Reb Beach (guitar) + Timothy Drury (keys)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNzDdPuKIEU" rel="nofollow - The Mob - Never Get Enough - YouTube




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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:38
Here's that rippin' cover of Thin Lizzy's "Jailbreak" as performed by dUg Pinnick, Doug Aldrich, Phil X, Billy Sheehan and Ray Luzier.




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Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:45
ART is truth and God is light.  That is all you really need to know and all that there is.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:46
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Whoever missed King's X in recent years should have checked The Jelly Jam, KXM, Dug Pinnick solo, Ty Tabor solo, that's what i know, I'm sure there's more.

The Mob (one self-titled album, 2005)

dUg Pinnick (bass, lead vocals) + Kelly Keagy (drums, lead vocals on one song) + Reb Beach (guitar) + Timothy Drury (keys)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNzDdPuKIEU" rel="nofollow - The Mob - Never Get Enough - YouTube


thanks for that, I might have to check the whole thing out, like I said the musicians of King's X have been busy. 


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:48
You may not understand your life, you may even be confused.  Listen to KINGS X and you may be happier in a few minutes.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 14:53
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

You may not understand your life, you may even be confused.  Listen to KINGS X and you may be happier in a few minutes.

Again, most people posting here love King's X, I don't honestly know what is your problem here?  Confused
Some people here (myself included) have listened to albums the King's X musicians have been a part of. 


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:01
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

ART is truth and God is light.  That is all you really need to know and all that there is.
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

You may not understand your life, you may even be confused.  Listen to KINGS X and you may be happier in a few minutes.


You very much sound like a zealot, here.

But if you want my opinion: there is no truth and god is a lure.
So, there you have it. Ermm
And I don't even want to know anymore what Kings X is about.




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Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:03
LIFE IS A QUESTION ABOUT LIFE. If you understand that you may not be so confused. Good Luck.


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:05
Like spinach is a question about spinach. That's all clear to me, like it was for Popeye... Confused


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Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:06
Don't get caught up in words.  You will always be unhappy.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:07
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

LIFE IS A QUESTION ABOUT LIFE. If you understand that you may not be so confused. Good Luck.

it feels like you're baiting and trolling. 
If you are, stop it.
If you want to discuss the music of King's X, then that's fine. 


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:07
It like a f**king zoo in here.  The animals were let loose.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:08
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

ART is truth and God is light.  That is all you really need to know and all that there is.
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

You may not understand your life, you may even be confused.  Listen to KINGS X and you may be happier in a few minutes.


You very much sound like a zealot, here.

But if you want my opinion: there is no truth and god is a lure.
So, there you have it. Ermm
And I don't even want to know anymore what Kings X is about.


@suitkees - ignore the baiting comments, try out the band on your own, see if you like them. Smile


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:09
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

It like a f**king zoo in here.  The animals were let loose.

So you are trolling, good to know now. Ouch


Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:11
You don't even understand the definition of art so I can't have a reasonable discussion with you.  This has gone south. I'm out.



Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:21
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

You don't even understand the definition of art so I can't have a reasonable discussion with you.  This has gone into territory you don't want to go into.  If you want to debate me, go right ahead as I can take your head off and it will be easy.

I do not understand your hostility here. 
What is it that troubles you with this thread? Confused


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:21
^^ If you would be a little bit less religious about supporting a band, then maybe we could have a decent discussion, but for now this seems impossible to me, because for you Kings X is IT. Grow up or continue to stick your head in the sand of religious devotion.


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 15:22
I had this double-cd King's X album:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=26609" rel="nofollow - Tales From The Empire: Cleveland 6.26.92

I listened to it more than a dozen times and quite enjoyed it. But never gotten further into the band, TBH. 

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 16:00
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

You may not understand your life, you may even be confused.  Listen to KINGS X and you may be happier in a few minutes.


Again, most people posting here love King's X, I don't honestly know what is your problem here?  Confused
Some people here (myself included) have listen to albums the King's X musicians have been a part of. 
Happiness does not depend King's X. I like them and "Flies and Blue Skies" is one of the most emotional vocal performance ever, but it does not make me happier.

For once, I agree with you Cristi.
Cheers


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 16:05
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

You don't even understand the definition of art so I can't have a reasonable discussion with you.  This has gone into territory you don't want to go into.  If you want to debate me, go right ahead as I can take your head off and it will be easy.

Come on, dude. There's no need for this. The thread will get locked.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 16:37
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

well they're no Planet X
Er, okay? Planet X and King's X are poles apart. Are we going to compare Pink Floyd and Return to Forever next?

Yes.   Yes, we are. 



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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 17:37
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

It like a f**king zoo in here.  The animals were let loose.

Only one it looks like


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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: July 03 2022 at 17:40
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

LIFE IS A QUESTION ABOUT LIFE. If you understand that you may not be so confused. Good Luck.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 01:09
I know there is some enthusiasm for this band but what I heard so far didn't do much for me I must say. Hard rock was never my thing though and the total reason I got interested in prog as a kid. Guitar based stuff generally bores me very quickly.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 07:07
Jerry Gaskill has some great solo material as well

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 07:28
Kings X is a band I always knew about, but never listened to because I associated them with Christian rock/metal. They were in the same box as Stryper, in that they may well have some good music to their name, but I wouldn’t know, simply because I never gave them a chance, due to their association with Christian rock/metal.

I suspect that there a probably a lot of people who have never listened to the band for the same reason, simply because those bands who are overtly Christian (or perceived to be so) aren’t an attractive proposition for atheist ears.

I outgrew that aversion to overtly Christian music with For Love Not Lisa (whose “Merge” album remains one of my favourite albums of all time). If the music is great, why should I not listen to it, just because I don’t believe in God, and the band does? It is kind of crazy to deprive myself of music for such a superficial reason.

I later learnt that not only do Kings X reject the Christian rock/metal label, but that they were major influences for some of the bands I loved most in my teens (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.), and that they were also one of the major influences prog metal scene I was beginning to explore.

I do think they are hampered by the Christian reputation, regardless of whether or not they reject the label. (After all, Creed also rejected the label, and attempted to argue that they were not a Christian rock/metal band, and that is a fairly flimsy claim.) This whole clusterf&£* of a forum thread does little to help bring the band to new ears, who might already be reluctant, due to the association with Christian rock/metal.

As Kees has pointed out, if you want to talk about the band, and recommend people check them out, referring to the big sky Daddy isn’t going to be the attraction you think it is. That may well work for you, and you may well have the holy trinity of Kings X, Happiness, and God. But, as others have already pointed out, a lot of us are quite happy without God in our lives. And you leave the impression that we will be just as happy without Kings X in our lives.

So for anyone who has bothered to read all I’ve just written, and is still on the fence over whether to listen to Kings X, I would say to go ahead and do so. If you like heavy prog bands, such as Rush, or earlier prog metal bands such as Queensryche or DT, you may well find something to like.



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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 07:40


King's X was never a Christian rock band.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/king-s-x-guitarist-we-are-absolutely-not-a-christian-rock-band" rel="nofollow - https://blabbermouth.net/news/king-s-x-guitarist-we-are-absolutely-not-a-christian-rock-band

https://www.billboard.com/culture/pride/dug-pinnick-lgbtq-hard-rock-metal-7842062/



Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 08:08
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:



King's X was never a Christian rock band.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/king-s-x-guitarist-we-are-absolutely-not-a-christian-rock-band" rel="nofollow - https://blabbermouth.net/news/king-s-x-guitarist-we-are-absolutely-not-a-christian-rock-band

https://www.billboard.com/culture/pride/dug-pinnick-lgbtq-hard-rock-metal-7842062/

I never said they were. That is missing the point entirely. It is irrelevant whether or not they were or were not Christian rock/metal, if that is perceived. It is irrelevant whether or not they have denied being Christian rock/metal, if that is perceived. They continue to be thought of by many as Christian rock/metal.

Also, they pretty much were Christian rock/metal in all but name, to begin with. It’s not the most reliable source, but it’s certainly convenient:
Originally posted by Wikipedia Wikipedia wrote:

All three members of King's X came from a background in Christianity and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_rock" rel="nofollow - Christian rock  (and, in Pinnick's case, church gospel singing) and have frequently been associated with the genre. This assumption has been reinforced by the Christian associations of the band's name, by the fact that King's X signed to Christian labels early in their career, and because the Faith Hope Love CD insert contained an entire chapter of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Bible" rel="nofollow - the Bible However, the band have persistently resisted being identified or pigeonholed as a Christian rock or  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_metal" rel="nofollow - Christian metal  band.

While many of their early lyrics have a clear spiritual influence, this came from the individual faith of the members rather than an explicit attempt to tap into the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Christian_music" rel="nofollow - contemporary Christian music  market in the way groups such as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petra_%28band%29" rel="nofollow - Petra  did.However, the band has also admitted in interviews that their former manager, Sam Taylor manufactured or embellished a Christian image in an effort to appeal to a crossover audience.


Initially, many King's X albums were marketed through Christian book stores, but most of these stores refused to sell them following Pinnick's 1998 announcement of his  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_homosexuality" rel="nofollow - homosexuality . Even at the time, the band welcomed this development as an opportunity to get away from the Christian rock "stigma".


A former  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant" rel="nofollow - Protestant , Pinnick has since openly discussed his  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism" rel="nofollow - agnosticism  and his belief that  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ" rel="nofollow - Jesus Christ  was not truly the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Son" rel="nofollow - Son of God . Gaskill has also disassociated himself from Christianity. During interviews in the early 2000s, Tabor continued to identify as a Christian, but referred to the Christian music industry as "vile".


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 08:22
They aren't a christian band per se but they do espouse christian values.

Personally i don't care about lyrics. God, satan, the oneness. Music is what matters.

Kings X is hit and miss. I love many of their album's but they certainly have never been a top tier band either.

I love their albums from Out of the Silent Planet to Dogman but then the quality started to wane.

I think the reason they never caught on is because they are inconsistent and the pop oriented hooks are too commercial for some while the grungy pseudo-prog aspects are too experimental for others.



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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 08:23
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

@suitkees - ignore the baiting comments, try out the band on your own, see if you like them. Smile

Since you're getting to know my musical preferences a bit by now (although they're very eclectic and maybe confusing...), what album would you recommend me to start with?

And, BTW, this might be an interesting quote for the OP (from the interview Grumpy linked to):
Originally posted by Ty Tabor Ty Tabor wrote:

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 10:24
Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

It like a f**king zoo in here.  The animals were let loose.

I have an ample supply of poop bags.


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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 10:50
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

It like a f**king zoo in here.  The animals were let loose.

I have an ample supply of poop bags.

You're full of sh*t, man.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 10:54
Let's get back on topic, or just shut the thread down. 
Easy choice. 


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 11:21
Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by maxsmusic maxsmusic wrote:

It like a f**king zoo in here.  The animals were let loose.

I have an ample supply of poop bags.

You're full of sh*t, man.

I have 120 bags ready. Is that not enough?




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Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 11:23
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Let's get back on topic, or just shut the thread down. 
Easy choice. 

I was the one that did that on the previous page, actually. 2 posts after your "off-topic" post.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 11:53
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I later learnt that not only do Kings X reject the Christian rock/metal label, but that they were major influences for some of the bands I loved most in my teens (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.), and that they were also one of the major influences prog metal scene I was beginning to explore.

I do think they are hampered by the Christian reputation, regardless of whether or not they reject the label.

King's X aren't hampered by it, because there was no "reputation" of the sort to begin with. They were associated with it because of their background, but they've never toured on the Christian rock circuit with the likes of Petra, Skillet or Flyleaf (a band that has enjoyed considerable success in both Christian and mainstream, and whose members are openly Christian).

King's X inability to break out is pretty obvious: They missed that window. First, they parted ways with their manager, Sam Taylor. The sound of the next album, Dogman, reflected somewhat of a shift from the sound they cultivated on their first four excellent albums. That can make or break a band. While Atlantic pushed them harder than before (and they got to open for Scorpions and Pearl Jam), Dogman didn't sell as well as Atlantic hoped and didn't give them the same promotional oomph for the subsequent album Ear Candy (which sounds more like the first four). Then the band moved to Metal Blade.

Basically, King's X maintains a modest but very devoted following (just like many prog bands, I reckon).

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 12:00
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I later learnt that not only do Kings X reject the Christian rock/metal label, but that they were major influences for some of the bands I loved most in my teens (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.), and that they were also one of the major influences prog metal scene I was beginning to explore.

I do think they are hampered by the Christian reputation, regardless of whether or not they reject the label.

King's X aren't hampered by it, because there was no "reputation" of the sort to begin with. They were associated with it because of their background, but they've never toured on the Christian rock circuit with the likes of Petra, Skillet or Flyleaf (a band that has enjoyed considerable success in both Christian and mainstream, and whose members are openly Christian).

King's X inability to break out is pretty obvious: They missed that window. First, they parted ways with their manager, Sam Taylor. The sound of the next album, Dogman, reflected somewhat of a shift from the sound they cultivated on their first four excellent albums. That can make or break a band. While Atlantic pushed them harder than before (and they got to open for Scorpions and Pearl Jam), Dogman didn't sell as well as Atlantic hoped and didn't give them the same promotional oomph for the subsequent album Ear Candy (which sounds more like the first four). Then the band moved to Metal Blade.

Basically, King's X maintains a modest but very devoted following (just like many prog bands, I reckon).

Let's not forget Rick Wakeman is Christian and has performed in many churches.

They may not have had that reputation for you, but I have already told you that they had that association for many (and I’m not sure what your distinction is between reputation and association, anyway). It may be different depending on geographic locale, or perhaps by age of listener - but certainly everyone I knew at school thought Kings X were a Christian rock/metal band. The only person I knew at school who listened to them, and who tried to get me to listen to them, was Christian and listened almost exclusively to Christian music. Other people I have met on the internet have assumed they were Christian when I’ve brought them up. In fact, almost every time the reason someone has given me a reason for knowing of the band but never listening to them, is because they thought they were a Christian rock/metal band.

I’m not saying that is a bad or a good thing. I’m not saying I care about that. I did, when I was a prejudiced teen who knew no better, but that was a looooong time ago. But for many, it is a step too far, and there are plenty of people who stay away from music they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as Christian. Kings X have that reputation (even if not by you), and I am sure that it is a reason they missed the window. It may not be the only reason, but it is definitely a reason.



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 12:18
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I later learnt that not only do Kings X reject the Christian rock/metal label, but that they were major influences for some of the bands I loved most in my teens (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.), and that they were also one of the major influences prog metal scene I was beginning to explore.

I do think they are hampered by the Christian reputation, regardless of whether or not they reject the label.

King's X aren't hampered by it, because there was no "reputation" of the sort to begin with. They were associated with it because of their background, but they've never toured on the Christian rock circuit with the likes of Petra, Skillet or Flyleaf (a band that has enjoyed considerable success in both Christian and mainstream, and whose members are openly Christian).

King's X inability to break out is pretty obvious: They missed that window. First, they parted ways with their manager, Sam Taylor. The sound of the next album, Dogman, reflected somewhat of a shift from the sound they cultivated on their first four excellent albums. That can make or break a band. While Atlantic pushed them harder than before (and they got to open for Scorpions and Pearl Jam), Dogman didn't sell as well as Atlantic hoped and didn't give them the same promotional oomph for the subsequent album Ear Candy (which sounds more like the first four). Then the band moved to Metal Blade.

Basically, King's X maintains a modest but very devoted following (just like many prog bands, I reckon).

Let's not forget Rick Wakeman is Christian and has performed in many churches.

They may not have had that reputation for you, but I have already told you that they had that association for many (and I’m not sure what your distinction is between reputation and association, anyway). It may be different depending on geographic locale, or perhaps by age of listener - but certainly everyone I knew at school thought Kings X were a Christian rock/metal band. The only person I knew at school who listened to them, and who tried to get me to listen to them, was Christian and listened almost exclusively to Christian music. Other people I have met on the internet have assumed they were Christian when I’ve brought them up. In fact, almost every time the reason someone has given me a reason for knowing of the band but never listening to them, is because they thought they were a Christian rock/metal band.

I’m not saying that is a bad or a good thing. I’m not saying I care about that. I did, when I was a prejudiced teen who knew no better, but that was a looooong time ago. But for many, it is a step too far, and there are plenty of people who stay away from music they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as Christian. Kings X have that reputation (even if not by you), and I am sure that it is a reason they missed the window. It may not be the only reason, but it is definitely a reason.

All I can add is that one of my best friends, who was Jewish, was the one who gave me the tape of Gretchen, back when MTV was airing the video for "Over My Head." I did read the lyrics and there's a discernibly spiritual bent to them but nothing so preachy that they'd turn off the average rock enthusiast. I'm sure the open endorsement by Pearl Jam's Jeff Ament (in Rolling Stone, if I remember correctly) helped move some people to check them out, and so did their opening slot on tours with some big bands.

I think King's X was just ahead of their time. Their unique blend of rock, soul, blues and Gospel didn't fare well with as many grunge listeners as Atlantic hoped, and grunge was the flavor of the week at the time. Like Rush, King's X earned the respect of musicians, by the droves, but it didn't carry over into the general fandom as with Rush a decade earlier.


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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 16:22
I feel like you’re still misunderstanding me. I have never suggested they are preachy at all. As soon as I actually listened to them, I realised they are not at all. Any even if they were, so what? Plenty of people like Neal Morse. But it is largely irrelevant whether or not they are preachy, if that is their reputation. And, unfortunately for them, that is definitely what it was - at least among those I knew, where I lived.

It doesn’t matter what the lyrics actually are, if people think something else, and don’t even listen to find out they are wrong. So, no, as spiritual as the lyrics are, they wouldn’t turn off the average rock enthusiast - but that enthusiast still has to hear them first…

Again, one of my all time favourite albums is For Love Not Lisa’s “Merge”. They were openly a Christian band, and their lyrics are more overtly Christian than anything I’ve heard from Kings X. I don’t care if someone is Christian or not, or whether they sing about Jesus or not. But I did when I was (a lot) younger. And I know a lot of people never get past that mind-set. So any association with Christian rock/metal (and they definitely had that at their beginning, no matter how much they might have drifted subsequently) is a handicap to mainstream acceptance, for the still considerable population who still make a distinction between rock/metal and Christian rock/metal. That distinction might be a stupid one to make, and I think it is (now), but it doesn’t stop it from existing (or from me once making it myself).

They missed their window, before it even came to them. Sucks, but they are hardly the only talented band that never received the recognition, accolades, and rewards that they probably deserved. And, when it comes down to it, they are still well known enough that we can argue about them in this forum. So many other bands are likely just as talented, and none of us have ever (and possibly will ever) get to hear (of) them.



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 16:48
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I feel like you’re still misunderstanding me.

Believe me (lol), I'm not. That one remark was just that, one I made during the course of our discussion.

I know what you're saying. I just don't think that's why they didn't become huge. They got a lot of exposure, more than before, with Dogman, and I highly doubt many of the concertgoers at those dates thought "the 'Christian rock' band just came out, let's get beers." If anything, they were largely unfamiliar with King's X's oeuvre. For whatever reason(s), they didn't take, and I think one factor is their change in sound on Dogman. They no doubt played a lot of it during those opening sets, and I think that album is more of an acquired taste than the "got you by the short and curlies" effect that its predecessors all had (on me, at least).

That's why it's important to remain consistent. Instead of getting Brendan O'Brien to produce them, they should have self-produced or gotten someone else.


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 04 2022 at 20:18
Another pretty big King's X fan here.  I heard a live performance from them on local radio way back in the early 90's.  Can't remember much about it, but it was the first time that I heard Over My Head and it blew me away.  My favorite album from them is their self-titled 4th album.  I personally think that you can't go wrong with any of their 1st six albums, and I like them all plus their solo outputs.  

A couple of other side projects that I don't think were mentioned are Poundhound and Pinnick Gales Pridgen.  


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 16:47
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

A couple of other side projects that I don't think were mentioned are Poundhound and Pinnick Gales Pridgen.

Re: Poundhound: If we didn't mention it, I'm glad you did!

Along with KXM, I think PGP is one of the more impressive KX offshoots. Excellent playin' & groovin' all around by those guys. It's unfortunate that the follow-up PGP II tends to cost a few more shekels. I'm not sure if it's a smaller pressing or what.


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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 18:03
Another side project I liked was Tres Mts. with Dug, Jeff Ament, and Richard Stuverud.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 18:10
NP: Jerry Gaskill, Love & Scars

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Date Posted: July 05 2022 at 18:12


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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: July 10 2022 at 16:06
Wow, another thread that went kind of bitchy….🙄

King’s X are a fantastic band. Their first 4 albums are incredible! I was late teens and went to eee them at The Marquee and The Astoria in London every time they came over at that time. They were an astounding live band😎I lost track somewhat (as I did with “decent” music generally!) when I went to uni. In the last few years I’ve had a ticket to see them in Cardiff 3 times, but each time the gig has been cancelled…including the latest (scheduled for September) which was cancelled just a couple of days ago. Ty Tabor is seriously ill, not sure what it is, but I wish him all the best. Gutted they’re not coming, I’d really got back into them again and am looking forward to the new album (it’s been 15 years!!!)

There is no doubt a massive amount of spirituality in a lot of their music, which is no surprise with their backgrounds, but they have always claimed to be questioning faith and religion rather than following it. I’m reading their autobiography right now, which is great and explains a lot!

For anyone who doesn’t know them, get those first 4 albums….and enjoy!!!😎


Posted By: IncogNeato
Date Posted: July 10 2022 at 18:32
I'll make this my first post under this user name because I am a HUGE fan of King's X.

Love the new single and I'm excited about the new album.

I have been a fan since 1988 (the start of my senior year in high school), 'Out Of The Silent Planet', bought every album, seen them live 8 times (rookie numbers), and follow them more closely than any other band I love.

As a band, they never wanted to be, or asked to be, included in the "Christian Rock" circuit. They've always just been honest about who they were in a given moment. They were included against their will because of their lyrics and because the Christian audience loves to find lyrical content they can relate to and "claim" a band as one of their own. U2, Trouble, King's X Collective Soul and others have fallen prey to this.

Anyway, I hope Ty makes a full recovery from his current illness and King's X is around for years to come!


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 11 2022 at 13:08
Originally posted by IncogNeato IncogNeato wrote:

Anyway, I hope Ty makes a full recovery from his current illness and King's X is around for years to come!

Word. And for those who haven't noticed, Am***n currently offers Ty's new CD Shades for a mere $9.79! Grab one before they change the price. (The same goes for KXM's third CD, Circle of Dolls.)


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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 15:34
I haven’t listened to any of the solo offerings or other projects, seems like there are quite a few to choose from!……


Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: July 13 2022 at 16:00
Been revisiting these guys a lot lately, and their stuff still holds up extremely well. Gretchen Goes to Nebraska would probably be among my favorite albums of that era Smile

Also, some of their later work is really underrated. I was surprised at much I enjoyed Please Come Home Mr. Bulbous in particular, especially the lovely ballad She's Gone Away


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Posted By: IncogNeato
Date Posted: July 14 2022 at 05:35
Honestly, the closest King's X ever got to a "bad" album was 'Black Like Sunday'. It had a couple of OK moments, but being that it was comprised entirely of re-recorded material dating back to their pre-King's X years, it's not essential listening.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 14 2022 at 18:09
Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Also, some of their later work is really underrated. I was surprised at much I enjoyed Please Come Home Mr. Bulbous in particular, especially the lovely ballad She's Gone Away

Bulbous is great. Loved it from the first listen


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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: July 15 2022 at 10:42
I thoroughly recommend any King’s X fan to get hold of the biography, which is put together from interviews with the band, managers, etc and also other musicians.

I had no idea that they were seen as a massive influence on the grunge scene, with the likes of Pearl Jam citing how much they loved them. And then I went for a “King’s X” run this morning and realised I was listening to a band that sounded quite similar to Soundgarden….


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 05:52
Thoroughly enjoying the new album, still such a great band, such a shame the tour got postponed again😑


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 08 2022 at 05:59
Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:


Also, some of their later work is really underrated. I was surprised at much I enjoyed Please Come Home Mr. Bulbous in particular, especially the lovely ballad She's Gone Away

that's a great album and great song you mentioned here. 

The new album is great, happy King's X are back. 
Also ty Tabor released a new album recently, also a solid release. 
 




Posted By: maxsmusic
Date Posted: September 22 2022 at 11:14
The reason I really listen to bands that go against the mainstream is due to fact they forge their own path and don't take sh*t from anybody.  This is KINGS X.




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