Prog-metal to a non Prog-metal head
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Topic: Prog-metal to a non Prog-metal head
Posted By: ShW1
Subject: Prog-metal to a non Prog-metal head
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 02:12
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Hellow everybody As a matter of fact, i do not interest in progressive metal very much. it is not my cup of tea. all those distortion guitars all the time, you know... but i would like to try just ONE prog- metal album, only one band. which album and band do you recommend? i've listen to dream theatre - didnt like it. I've listen to tool - quite impressed. BUT i heard two tracks from the LATERALUS album - they looked quite similar to each other. SO shall i try another band/album, or shall i try TOOL? what are your recommandation for me, progressive-metal heads? |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 02:20
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Why don't you give us some more clues about your taste ... I can't make a recommendation when I don't know what your favorite (non-metal) prog bands are. BTW: Browse my audio link database (search for metal) ... MANY samples to try. I recommend Pain of Salvation, you definitely can't go wrong with them. Edit: BTW: The proper forum category would be Recommendations ... perhaps an admin could move it there? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 02:49
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I would try Aenima by Tool first(it is their first truly progressive album),then give Laterlaus repeated listens(the album is a masterpiece,it's hard to gauge how much you will like an album if you only heard 2 tracks). -------------  |
Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 10:23
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Try THERION's "Theli" or "Vovin" albums. Very different kind of progressive metal to DREAM THEATER - these albums have strong classical influences, huge orchestrations and epic choral vocals. You will either love them or hate them. |
Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 11:26
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ok, THEORION seems a good recommandation. I'll check it along with the other ones. my taste is quite "the ususal progressive one" - all the great groups from the 70's - GENESIS, YES, GENTLE GIANT etc... (these are the first 3 ) I wish the admin could pass me from the "bugs" to "recommandation", it opened here by mistake. i feel very isolated here thank you all
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 13:31
Fantomas... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:01
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I love bands that combine Classical and Metal ... and I truly HATE Therion. Try Rhapsody instead ... unless you mind a singer with a strong italian accent. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Politician wrote:Posted By: Under
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:30
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Listen to Dream Theater again and again and make a judgement then.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:33
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You should Try Shadow Gallery - Tyranny or Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element pt. I ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 15:07
Hmm... you don't like distorted guitars? It's going to be tought to find you a prog metal band then!  Ok, so you like GENESIS, YES, GENTLE GIANT. If you haven't tried it, I'd recommend Spock's Beard, say the V album. It's actually labelled under symphonic prog here on progarchives, but maybe it'll warm you up to metal style distorted guitars while keeping to a similar musical style that you're used to. Then jump right to any prog-metal band, listen to some audio samples here on progarchives, and you might find something that moves you. There's a HUGE difference between different prog metal bands, the genre fits almost anything, so you should't turn away after the first dissapointment! Good Luck! ------------- Currently listening to: - Andromeda - Pagan's Mind - Kamelot |
Posted By: vogre
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 15:20
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If you don't like heavy distorted guitars you'll probably won't like death metal screams that much.. If you are interested in jazzy metal w\ chick vocals check out Aghora - Aghora. You seem to like Thinking Plague so the next step might be avant-prog-metal, you could listen to Mr. Bungle, Fantomas and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. |
Posted By: SomethingGood
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 15:41
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Pain of Salvation
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Posted By: Crushed Aria
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:00
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Pain of Salvation Gordian Knot Spastic Ink Nightingale (it is like a good version of Dream Theater) Behold the Arctopus maudlin of the Well Kayo Dot ------------- 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:06
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If you don't like progressive metal that much there are a few directions i think you can go. The first and most logical direction i see is going with bands that combine more progressive rock elements with progressive metal. I think Pain Of Salvation's BE is the best example of this. BE has some very hard songs, but even within those songs they have great soft parts. They make great use of the orchestra too. This album has a lot of things that both progressive metal and rock fans can enjoy. Of course you've heard Dream Theater, but Images and Words and Scenes From A Memory have some songs that many different fans of progressive music can enjoy. Ok, maybe you won't like how Home is a heavy song, but i think you could still enjoy a song like Finally Free, The Spirit Carries On, Learning To Live, and Another Day. The other logical route you could go in is Ayreon. Ayreon isn't as much about the distorted guitars. Ayreon is considered to be very synth based. Arjen Lucassen is the mastermind of this project, and he's worked with some great progressive metal vocalists like James LaBrie, Damion Wilson, and well Russell Allen if you consider him great, and also some great progressive rock vocalists like Fish and Neal Morse. Ayreon combines a lot of genres into this project. I wouldn't reccomend Universal Migrator because of the second disc being completely metal, but i think you could enjoy Into the Electric Caste and The Human Equation. |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:14
| I'd recommend Taal, quite different to the other prog metal bands |
Posted By: Shrump
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:57
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To Threadstarter: What did you hear from Dream Theater? And what two Tool songs did you hear also? |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:19
What other album than Pain Of Salvation's BE ?
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:24
| I would say Symphony X- The Odyssey would be a good 1st choice. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:26
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^ NO! That would scare a Prog fan into hiding in a room and I don't think a Prog fan would take Russell Allen's vocals on that album very kindly either... |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:29
| And you rec. BE for a 1st prog album??? Yikes |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:29
| you gotta put some bias aside bro! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:30
Ice Age - The Great Divide. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: ShW1
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:31
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Thank you all . I've started to listen, and enjoy more than i thought! belive me or not, but i REALY didnt know that there are groups that dont ALWAYS play distorted guitars ! I dont object distorted guitar from time to time, but to hear only distortion all the time is a little bit annoyin for me. the distorted guitars that you recommand are not-so-noisy also, and they are interesting. well i think from time to time it is good to look for new direction in music, one can be surprised
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:32
| ohhh yeah- Ice Age is a great band- not that well known |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:33
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Heaven's Cry are even better ... and even more unknown. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:34
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symphony x are superb - i also like kamelot - so i'd say try either of them symphony x - the odyssey kamelot - the black halo  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:35
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I was joking by the way, and I think the Odyssey is a HORRID, HORRID album to introduce to a regular Prog head, they would probably ABSOLUTELY HATE RUSSELL ALLEN'S VOCALS on the majority of the songs |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:35
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Same for Heaven's Cry.. Great prog metal ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:36
I think a good first Symphony X album would be The Divine Wings of Tragedy. Why do you dislike Russell Allen so much,Flossy? ------------- |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:36
| King- how can a newbie to this website know your being sarcastic? I knew you were but...c'mon- and to say that its a horrible album....CMON! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:37
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^^^^^ That was post 666 for you Drew EVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL ------------- |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:38
| I think the Odyssey has a lot of great elements- the GREAT epic, shorter songs, heavy riffs, good keys- GREAT STUFF! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:38
I hate the sound of his voice when he growls and absolutely love it when he isn't. I just think The Odyssey is by far one of the heaviest Prog Metal albums there are. Train Of Thought IMO is lighter than the Odyssey. To recommend The Odyssey to a Prog Metal newbie is just dumb. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:39
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haha i know-- i wanted to think of something quick to type haha
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:40
wow- I guess we just have to agree to disagree |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:41
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^ A good album for me would be Dream Theater- Images and Words (Not all that heavy and very very structured and technical)
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:41
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the odyssey is a SUPERB prog metal album ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:42
| How about an Adagio album? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:43
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He say that it's a horrid album TO INTRODUCE TO A PROG FAN. I actually agree ... as a matter of fact all SyX albums are not ideal as an introduction to prog metal, unless one is already acquainted with metal and/or neoclassical stuff. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:44
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Well, I personally like the Images and Words Suggestion- but then I hear SO many people say they can't stand you-know-who's-voice (haha Im listening to DT right now) But yeah- if you like him- then I&W is perfect- thats where I started with Prog-Metal |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:45
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^ I don't really like the album that much by the way, but I think a band like Dream Theater or Pain Of Salvation is much better fit for a Symphonic Prog fan to swallow. Symphony X is just far too Metal for most traditional Prog fan to swallow! Or maybe even some Porcupine Tree can easily fiit too! ! In Abstenia is a great album for any Prog Metal newbie to grab!
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:46
Well hey- I got my cousin into Sym X Big Time- They were the 2nd Prog Metal band he heard. (he had listened to DT before) |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:46
I think traditional Prog fans would have a BIGGER problem with Russell Allen, when I got my first Sym X album, I HATED IT! |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:47
Good One |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:48
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Looking at my sig ... I would suggest the following albums:
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:53
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:54
porcupine tree not metal enough though  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:54
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:56
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I'll add to the list Pagan's Mind Celestail Entrance Very Metal- accesible vocals- great songs |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:56
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^ ok, Disco Volante is not a metal album. But what about the vocals on the Perfect Element Pt. 1? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:57
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Like Rush and Geddy- it took me a LONG time to get used to the vocals of POS I love POS now- so who knows- go for it! |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:59
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shadow gallery,pagans mind,symphony x,kamelot (is it just me who likes them??),dare i say.....opeth? ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:59
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Oh, and another one from my sig: Threshold - Subsurface. Ultra-Accessible. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:01
we are forgetting early rush  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:01
| Its all too true that OPEth kicks MAJOR ass- but to introduce- well.....perhaps Blackwater Park....followed by Damnation (must be in that order! haha) |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:02
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Maybe because it's not prog metal? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:02
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Possibility |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:03
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MY GOSH! GOOD CALL MIKE! great album....VERY accessible |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:03
progressive and metallic ?? its heavier than later output to these ears of mine ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:03
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So???? Its a good start and it won't scare off a Prog Rock lover. JODY GET ON CHAT!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:05
Thanks! Another good and accessible album: Vanden Plas - Beyond Daylight. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:05
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I think some of you guys are forgetting that we're trying to break in a proggy that does not like distorted guitars. Bands like Shadow Gallery and Pagan's Mind, as much as i love them are bad choices because of the distortion those bands use. Porcupine Tree is an excellent choices, Pain Of Salvation is an excellent choice, Dream Theater can be an excellent choice, but bands like Symphony X are a HORRIBLE choice. -------------   "Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:05
| Maybe we should creat the ULTIMATE prog metal list- a compolation if you will..........that would kicks butt. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:05
so???? its not strictly prog metal and i thought that was what the guy wanted ???? ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:06
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^ It is strictly Prog Metal? Then I guess Sound of Muzak isn't a Prog Metal tune?
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:07
Thats in my top 5 prog metal albums- wow- you are reading my mind right now. SUCH a great album! By the way- when the heck are they coming out with another album? Beyond Daylight was 2002! |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:08
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AMAZING song- but metal? Hardly! |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:09
 porcupine ain't metal they metal-related (distant)------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:09
| ^ Its still Metal to a Prog Rocker |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:10
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Both Deadwing and In Absentia are good albums to prepare peoples' ears for the distorted guitars of prog metal ... the albums are not really prog metal, but the rock and kick some serious ass. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:11
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if the guy wants prog metal lets get him into commercial accessible stuff like vanden plas or kamelot or symphony x ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:12
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Agreed.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:13
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I like Kamelot a lot ... but it's Symphonic Metal. Kind of "Diet Prog". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:13
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^ Not Kamelot or Symphony X! Too many Metal riffs for them to handle!
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:13
point taken and i agree the albums aint prog metal ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:15
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look guys i LOVE prog metal - lets all get together for a few beers and hav e a blast and convince our new pal he in the right place ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:15
| Are we going to do this compolation or not? haha |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:16
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soft drinks also available ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:17
i think thats a great idea - maybe i'd learn from you peeps ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:20
| Kick it off with Nightwalker by Vanden Plas? |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:23
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In no order:- Beyond Daylight-Vanden Plas Something from nothing-Fates Warning March of Mephisto-Kamelot Tunnel Vision-John Petrucci Of sins and shadows-Symphony X Death of a mother-Shadow Gallery Birth of a daughter-Shadow Gallery The Celestine Prophecy-Pagans mind Dracula-Iced Earth plus many many many many more ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:23
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Those of you who don't know Heaven's Cry ... did you listen to the samples on their homepage (it's in my database)? What do you think about them? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Crushed Aria
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:25
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Oh shid. >_> Arcturus Windham Hell Subterranean Masquerade Solefald (GET PILLS AGAINSTTHE AGELESS ILLS NOW!) and even though it isn't prog you need to get the following: Agalloch - Pale Folklore Agalloch - The Mantle >_> Just felt the need to plug them in. EDIT: King, how the hell does Russel "growl"? He has never once done harsh vocals. -------------
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:27
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^ Heavens Cry? thanx i will check them out ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:29
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Try the samples from their newer album ... they're long enough to get a good impression of the songs. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:30
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The compilation already exists, but it's a dvd (Dream Theater's live at Budokan My more serious proposal for a compilation would look like this:
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:32
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^ What bias
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:35
Forty Six and Two would be a better choice for a song off of Aenima ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:35
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Here's my compilation:
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 18:42
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I can already guess yours. Disc I ------------- "Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 19:04
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 20:49
| I cant think of mine yet- it will need some time! |
Posted By: professorchaos
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 23:04
This'll probably seem n00bish but..."Moving Pictures" by Rush might be a good start. ------------- 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 00:18
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Erotomainia- DT- would be a good pick
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Posted By: America2k1
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 00:23
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If someone gets scared by something like Pain of Salvation or Symphony
X then they probably shouldn't listen to anything harder than Yes. (don't get me wrong, I love Yes)
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Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 12:52
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I would recomend "dead soul tribe" and their album Murder of crows. Prog-metal without beeing to metal. Baybe even anekdoten at their heaviest? Vemod and nucleus is king crimson with metal influenses. Norwegian Magic pie would also do the job. -------------  It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release?? http://www.freewebs.com/ligyrophobia/ |
Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:58
My best advise is: Keep away from Metal prog. There is way too much real progressive rock to stay busy for the rest of your life. I once started buying "Iron maidenīs" albums, "Dream Tīs" and some other metal bands. I might have spent enough money to buy every important album by "Banco", "PFM", "Rush", "Camel", "Jethro", and many "one album" bands I had not in that period of time. Today I still donīt have them all and regret everyday I bought all that metal. If you were not impressed and found out every album is similar to other, trust me, buying more wonīt make you feel any different. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 16:02
You view get's more and more narrow ... btw: also stay away from Classical and Jazz ... it will only distract you from Prog Rock, the only good genre. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 16:02
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^ Hey, hey I'm also a Jazz and Classical freak, Mike That was very narrow-minded though. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 16:05
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I love irony ... I admit it was borderline sarcasm though. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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