Ashra
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Topic: Ashra
Posted By: tardis
Subject: Ashra
Date Posted: October 13 2005 at 22:30
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Is it just me or is Ashra totally and undeniably awesome? (Kudos to anyone who can read this)   |
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Posted By: roaryg
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 00:44
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I heard one of their tunes on last.fm. Very nice. I have been wanting to hear more as someone on here said they are similar to Tangerine Dream, who I find totally and undeniably awesome. Are they the same as Ashra Temple. Which Ashra album(s) do you recommend. Sorry I am not using question marks as my keyboard seems to be busted. Nice green font by the way. ------------- Tim FM, Nash the Slash, Camel |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 03:20
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I own a bunch of albums and this band is among my favourites. BTW read: Manuel Göttsching is my favourite guitar player of all time. ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 03:51
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Ashra wich is mostly Manuel Göttsching freaking out in the studio and is in some places like Ash Ra Tempel but as the same time not. Ashra is very similar with Tangerine Dream and to be mostly only Manuel Göttsching alone I must say he's doing that very good. Ash Ra Tempel is not that close to the sound of Tangerine Dream, not IMO though... maybe the early Tangerine Dream. ** I believe the thread starter was talking about Ash Ra Tempel, I hope he did?! ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
roaryg wrote:
Posted By: paulindigo
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:12
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yes, Ash Ra Tempel were awesome!. However, I prefer Ashra (the later incarnation of the band), who produced an astonishingly beautiful string of albums between 1976 and 1980 to roaryg: try ash ra tempel's first or second, inventions for electric guitar, new age of earth or blackouts. if you want something even more similar to tangerine dream mid-70s albums get michael hoenig's departure from the northern wastelands, it's an absolute must. of course you should also try edgar froese's solo output (e.g. epsilon in malaysian pale and macula transfer) and klaus schulze. |
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:52
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I agree. I prefer Ashra to ART, too. New Age of Earth is Great ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:59
BTW, excuse my ignorance. What does "kudos" mean?  ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:24
Apparently so, look at the picture he included at the bottom of the post: Klaus, Manuel, Hartmut... the first photo in Manuel's official website http://www.ashra.com/photos/7101.htm - http://www.ashra.com/photos/7101.htm btw, Ashra is not only Manuel's pseudonym project, like Klaus also did with Wahnfried project... After a couple of solo albums (which are strangely either credited to Ashra or Ash Ra Tempel, albeit no such thing as Ah Ra Tempel existed at the moment!), Manuel hired Lutz Ulbrich and Harald Grosskopf, and later on a couple of other musicians for Ashra project... (You must know better than me, krauthead ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:27
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Look up in a dictionary for heaven's sake!!!! (that's what I did!) something like "prasie, eulogy" ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:39
Thank you. I used my on-line dictionary and I found nothing. I don't have e good dictionary here (I'm supposed to be working... I only wanted to know if I had to get angry or not... ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:47
So am I  Nice cats, btw... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 21:21
New Age of Earth and Blackouts are great, dont forget Manuel Gottsching's Inventions on Electric Guitar, another good one! Also there is a compilation called Ashra - Sunrain: the Virgin Years, it captures many highlights.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 02:04
I like ASH RA TEMPEL! They are so chaotic. 
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 07:10
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The Ashra albums, particularly New Age of Earth and Blackouts (as DB pointed out) are as good as the German synth/guitar based prog ever got, and there's also the E2 - E4 and Inventions for Electric Guitar albums, plus things like The Private Tapes and The Making Of..., which hint at a huge backlog of unreleased material by Manuel Gottsching lurking in a vault somewhere. As good as Tangerine Dream were at their peak, Ashra produced much more subtle and finely nuanced albums using much the same set up. Essential for lovers of electronic prog. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 11:49
I knew that picture from long ago and yes it is Ash Ra Tempel, but posting it here and talking about Ashra... I just hope he talked about Ash Ra Tempel then... Hmmm... maybe you know lots more than me Bilek, I'm not that deep into information conserning who was when, where and why and that kind of stuff. I'm so so when it comes to bandnames, release years and what country it came from, Ashra was mostly Göttsching, I didn't say he was alone... to say it this way: he is the one that make the sound good so if one don't like them you shall blame someone else than him. You seem to know some info Bilek and to be honest I think you'd beat me any day at: Who Wants To Be A Krautonaire? Anyhow, I have more than 1800+ kraut albums and you'll prolly know more than me about all of them, fine with me... then I'm happy for you Bilek, also proud to say the least ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 13:06
I agree, however I prefer the Ash Ra Tempel incarnation...  ------------- And above all, is punk  
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Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 16:15
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I agree with you there Fantômas ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Winterfamily
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 16:26
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"New Age of Earth" is one of the best records of all time for me!
Gottsching was one of the few musicians of that time (apart form Eno
and Kraftwerk) that knew seriously what to do with a drum machine... The Detroit techno musicians (Derrick May, Carl Craig et al.) were absolutely in love with "E2 E4". There's even a european dance hit of the early nineties ("Sueño Latino") that was built from a sample from that record. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 02:59
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I think "Gin Rosé" is also a nice live album! There's Manuel Göttshcing and Klaus Schulze improvising, but the sound is more softer that their early ASH RA TEMPEL works. The lack of drums also make it less aggressive. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=3587 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=3587
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 05:37
I just said you must know better than me, and I was damn serious!!! 1800+ krautrock albums!?!?!?!? My entire discothéque cannot match up to that number (even if I include my 150+ CD mp3 archive)!!! ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 05:42
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my dad got too much krautrock..i suspect he got every band that is listed in the krautrock category including the ones that are not listed ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:00
^ One can't have too much krautrock! 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 06:54
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all is crap ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 05:14
Regrets!!!!! Krautrock is crap?!?!?!?!? seems you never raised your head off Iron Maiden and gave a listen to classic bands such as Can, Amon Düül II, some Tangerine Dream, or Faust. I understand if you're a Heavy Metal fan, and dislike krautrock, but being a progarchives forum member, I would expect you to appreaciate at least some of the material coming from these delightful bands... I didn't like the heavy emphasis on experimentalism at first (i.e. Can's Soup in Ege Bamyasi, as edited in Anthology) but it takes more than several spins to get used to it!!! break your eggshell, for heaven's sake!!!!!
------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 05:16
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Damn Right! check my current signature ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
I can't get enough of it!!! And I've been collecting mainly Krautrock mp3's for the last three weeks (approximately one mp3 disc, consisting of at least 9 albums, every three days)Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 05:21
Hmm i quite did enjoy tangerine dream...but to be honest i have never cared to listen to them records But my dad got evert akbum of Neu! Can Amon Duul II, Amon Duul, Faust, Ashra, Ash Ra tempel, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze,Guru Guru, Kraan, Popol vuh,Kraftwerk,Edgar froese,Cluster,Grobsschnitt to name a few... what would you recomend for a RIO/Avant-garde fan? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Rochacrimson
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 05:31
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Ash Ra Tempel! Magnificic! Great! ------------- Pedro Rocha |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 05:49
Fuss, it was nothing near fuss... I was happy that you knew so much... in some parts I was also kidding or more like joking a little bit... never ment in a bad way my friend... sorry Bilek that you took it the wrong way. 150+ CD mp3??? that wasn't bad Yes I believe I've got that many, maybe 50 more or less, I don't care wich... But then my life sucks hard, one of my few ups in life is 'krautrock' and without this and 'canterbury'... and my female I'm nothing, have nothing... true... not sad or so but it's honest and no fuss here also... Ok Bilek? ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 06:43
Yo Bilek! Where do you find all this? ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 09:33
Have you heard AINIGMA or RUFUS ZUPHALL? Those were the first German 70's rock I heard. I found their albums from local vinyl stores, where Little Wing of Refugees (the record label) pushed their material. I think there should be some mp3 streams for them. GÄA is also a great band, a bit similar to those. I discovered it by using this site! |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 10:03
Great bands indeed, Rufus Zuphall is very very great ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 10:19
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I only have one album, from the Ash Ra Tempel incarnation of this group: Starring Rosi. It's not bad, but I'd really like to get their other stuff. I suppose I like the Tangerine Dream influences I hear in them also, as I always liked the TD sound. Oh, and of course, there's that brilliant guitar player, what's his name?
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 05:53
My mp3 dealer (pirate) works hard these days! He uses SLSK (soul seek?) to share mp3's on the net. (I can't do that, not allowed at work, and don't have a personal computer!) He found almost the entire discographies of Faust, Embryo, Guru Guru and Kraan (few albums missing) Unfortunately he was lazy on Ash Ra Tempel. I still lack ASh Ra Tempel (debut), Seven Up and Gin Rose, along with many Ashra releases. MAybe he'll bring the private tapes one day... And I myself DL'ed the entire studio recordings of Can (with the exception of Cannibalism 3) from several russian mp3 sites... I'll dig deeper when I have money ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |