Custom electric guitar project
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Topic: Custom electric guitar project
Posted By: Gerinski
Subject: Custom electric guitar project
Date Posted: July 13 2023 at 04:45
Hi all, I'm currently developing a project for building my own self-designed guitar (solid-body electric). I wonder if any members have experience in guitar building so we could share some knowledge. Cheers! Gerard
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 18 2023 at 23:38
Gerinski wrote:
Hi all,I'm currently developing a project for building my own self-designed guitar (solid-body electric). I wonder if any members have experience in guitar building so we could share some knowledge. Cheers! Gerard |
Hello, Gerard! I own many fine electric guitars, all factory made except for my Hugh Manson fretless bass!
I admire you as I've wanted to do exactly what you are discussing!
One way to do this is to buy components pre made, i.e precut body, premade neck, wiring harness etc.
This is not terribly creative however, so you may be considering your own body design.
Selection of building materials is incredibly important.....if you make an electric with a wood body, you have many options.
I've very fond of this Brit builders guitars, they are close to what I'd consider my own ideal!
http://www.giffinguitars.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.giffinguitars.com/
This is me with my handmade Manson fretless bass!! Have fun!
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 19 2023 at 00:40
Hi Charles, Yes I knew about your custom Hugh Manson bass, which looks terrific! And those Giffin guitars look very very nice too!
I want my own self-designed body and my own self-decided specs, so I discard a "kit build". The guitar will be built from scratch.
I own a '93 Carvin DC-135 which is a pretty good guitar, so my custom guitar needs to be as good as, or hopefully better than, the Carvin. So it's got to be a really high quality guitar, as you can see in the specs below I am choosing top quality components.
This is my design, I'm talking to luthiers to actually build it and it may still get some small modifications but I believe it's already pretty close to final design stage.
I'm calling my custom guitar the "GB Cygnus X-1". Cygnus X-1 is the first black hole discovered and I like physics and astronomy so it fits. It's also a song by Rush, one of my favourite bands, so it fits too. And since it's going to be my first guitar design, X-1 fits too. So triple fit with this name
The specs so far are:
- Neck-through construction - 25.00" scale - 24 frets, in principle in stainless steel - Fender LSR roller nut - Neck-through wood: tbc, but in principle maple or walnut - Body wings wood: tbc - Fretboard wood: tbc, in principle ebony - Fretboard radius: 12" - Dual-Action truss-rod - Titanium or carbon neck stiffener rods - 3+3 headstock, straight nut to machine heads strings path - Sperzel Trim-Lok machine heads - Original Floyd Rose tremolo bridge - Pickups: I'm still considering 2 options, HSH passive or HSH active. In case of passive: Bridge: DiMarzio Evolution Bridge, Middle: DiMarzio SDS-1, Neck: DiMarzio Evolution Neck In case of active: Bridge: EMG 57 TW, Middle: EMG SA, Neck: EMG 66 TW - In case of active pickups, integrated "Lo-Bat" low-battery indicator - Controls: 3 mini-toggle switches, one for each pickup. Bridge: 3-position Off / Single-Coil / Humbucker; Middle: 2-position Off / On; Neck: 3-position Off / Single-Coil / Humbucker 1 master volume + 1 master tone. Position markers on body. - Colour: translucent grey including neck and headstock. All hardware in black. - Finish gloss: Polyurethane
Now I'm at the stage of visiting luthiers, I do not dare trying to build it myself, the risk is too high plus I don't have a workshop space, in live in a small flat in the big city of Barcelona.
I will keep posting any news about the project, Cheers! Gerard
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 19 2023 at 01:25
No building experience but I know how hard it is to make a really good guitar. May you have a wonderful & educational adventure.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 19 2023 at 02:23
Thanks Atavachron! I'm sure that I will learn a lot during the project. Next thing is I will have to re-learn playing the guitar, since it's about 10 years that I almost stopped playing!
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 26 2023 at 13:45
Well I already selected the luthier and I made a downpayment to order the hardware.
The updated specs are:
- Neck-through construction - 25.00" scale - 24 frets, in principle in stainless steel - Neck-through wood: maple, 3-piece laminated - Body wings wood: tbc - Fretboard wood: ebony - Fretboard radius: 12" - Dual-Action truss-rod - Titanium neck stiffener rods - 3+3 headstock, straight string pull nut to machine heads - Graphite nut - Sperzel Trim-Lok machine heads - Original Floyd Rose tremolo bridge - Pickups: HSH, EMG active Bridge: EMG 57 TW, Middle: EMG SA, Neck: EMG 66 TW - Integrated "Lo-Bat" low-battery indicator - Controls: 3 mini-toggle switches, one for each pickup. Bridge: 3-position Off / Single-Coil / Humbucker; Middle: 2-position Off / On; Neck: 3-position Off / Single-Coil / Humbucker - Housing for 2 9v batteries, there may be an additional toggle-switch to select 9 or 18v operation but not yet decided (I need to test the sound with both options and then I will decide about it, that can be done at a late stage in the build). 1 master volume + 1 master tone. Knob position markers. - Colour: translucent grey including neck and headstock. All hardware in black. - Finish gloss: Polyurethane
Now the luthier will order the hardware and we will all go to some deserved summer vacation, and I hope that he can start beginning of September.
Some things will be done with CNC, so the first thing will be to develop my computer 2D design (which I made with Inkscape) into a 3D design made in AutoCAD.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 07 2023 at 16:52
Well the project is advancing, here are some pics
The neck-through is 3-piece laminated maple, and the body wings are mahogany
The fretboard is already machined, it's ebony
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 07 2023 at 16:55
The pickups and toggle switches
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 07 2023 at 17:00
Testing the tuning machines in a mockup of the headstock, including also the test of the logo
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 08 2023 at 17:27
Great little project, congrats. Nice to see an electric guitar built basically from scratch. I do wonder how it will feel & sound.
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 08 2023 at 18:08
That's something i've always wanted to do. One of my favorite guitarists, Bumblefoot, has made his own guitars with his own hands. His Swiss Cheese guitar is now legendary.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: December 08 2023 at 22:26
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 03:47
Thanks! I also look forward to seeing how it will feel and play. I trust the luthier who is actually building it, he seems to know well his trade. In terms of playability it should feel very similar to my Carvin DC-135 since we are copying its neck shape. But the pickups are very different so it should sound different, I have never played EMG active pickups so it's a bit of a gamble but I trust that it will be a good choice.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 17:25
Almost got a Carvin amp back in the mid-'80s but went with a Seymour-Duncan studio series (single speaker) . I was into that David Gilmour heavy buzzsaw sound .
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 14 2023 at 20:38
Atavachron wrote:
Almost got a Carvin amp back in the mid-'80s but went with a Seymour-Duncan studio series (single speaker) . I was into that David Gilmour heavy buzzsaw sound .
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I was an early adopter of Carvin, buying a 1976 DC 150! Odd instrument - VERY short scale length, heavy as heck (solid maple body), but a favorite of mine. Back in those days, Frank Zappa endorsed Carvin pickups, and a few other rockers endorsed guitars, basses & amps.
http://kieselmuseum.com/1976/" rel="nofollow - http://kieselmuseum.com/1976/
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 16 2023 at 01:00
Allan Holdsworth and Billy Sherwood have also endorsed Carvin. More recently Javier Reyes of Animals As Leaders plays Carvin too. I really like mine, its scale length is standard 25.00 inches.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2023 at 01:49
You definitely have to know what you want ~ what kind of tone ~ in order to achieve the best settings on the best amp for you... which applies to almost everything in life.
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 16:36
More progress. The cavities are all made, the fretboard is attached to the neck, the neck is getting its shape, the headstock is almost finished... now the body is being contoured.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 16:41
This might not be the next Red Special but so far, you're doing a great job. I'm looking forward to seeing and more importantly hearing the finished instrument.
------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 13:36
Thanks! Yes, so far I'm pleased with the progress, I look forward to seeing it finished and playing it too. In the coming weeks I need to start practicing again, it's more than 5 years that I have not played so I will be very rusty. This guitar is being made precisely as a tool for helping me regaining the motivation to play again.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 29 2023 at 06:11
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: January 01 2024 at 03:49
Eco-ebony fretboard? By that I mean, the kind of ebony that's not pure black color-wise. From what I've heard it is actually the type that's more commonly found in nature! But human furniture snobs have a preference for the classy black ebony. :P
------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 01 2024 at 07:23
Hrychu wrote:
Eco-ebony fretboard? By that I mean, the kind of ebony that's not pure black color-wise. From what I've heard it is actually the type that's more commonly found in nature! But human furniture snobs have a preference for the classy black ebony. :P |
Yes, actually I don't know the precise sourcing of this ebony fretboard, the luthier had this piece and showed it to me and asked me if I liked it and I said yes, it's more original and special than the typical black fretboard
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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: January 01 2024 at 16:25
^That neck is looking beautiful!
What are you thinking in terms of pickups?
Edit: I just went back and checked. I've got a set of EMG DG20's in my Partscaster. Which are 3 SA's with some special tone knobs. (They sounds gorgeous, a SPC Presence for Mid-Range and an EXG for Treble and Bass). It's like my guitar teacher once told me "I have yet to hear somebody get a bad tone out of a set of EMGs"
------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 02 2024 at 03:08
I've never played EMGs so it was a rather blind decision, but their reputation and also the recommendation of the luthier convinced me to have a go for them, I don't think I will regret it
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 24 2024 at 00:23
The neck shape and body contours are basically finished. Next step is leveling the fretboard. The bridge, nut and tuners have been mounted so that strings will be installed to provide the proper tension to the neck, then the guitar will be blocked, strings removed and the leveling and sanding will be done with the proper neck angle as if the strings were mounted.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 06 2024 at 15:36
Some more pics of the progress. Fretboard has been levelled, side dot markers have been installed. Now frets are being installed and next step will be fret levelling.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 06 2024 at 15:39
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 06 2024 at 16:05
I gotta say Gerard, I've been following this build all along and it looks magnificent. I grew up in a woodworking house. My dad was a professional draftsman and master wood worker. Mostly furniture and home reno type stuff. I'm a fair wood worker but I really admire the talent you display here. How many guitars have you built?
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I just went back to the beginning of the thread and started reading everything. Suddenly noticed you weren't building it by your own hands. Oops. Nevertheless, a beautiful looking piece of wood.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 06 2024 at 16:41
JD wrote:
I just went back to the beginning of the thread and started reading everything. Suddenly noticed you weren't building it by your own hands. Oops. Nevertheless, a beautiful looking piece of wood.
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I consider myself a handy man, I have worked with wood and metal and I'm very meticulous and perfectionist, but I did not dare to attempt the build myself, and thank god that I didn't. I didn't have any experience building guitars and by following up the work of the luthier I realise that it's a real art. You need quite a lot of knowledge, expertise, practice, access to sourcing good raw materials, besides having the space and all the tools required. You can do a lot with your own hands with limited tools, but proper luthier-specific tools save you a lot of work and allow much more precision. And some things you just can't do them in the same way, for the fretboard for example he used a CNC machine and you get a precision which is very difficult to get by hand.
Plus, it's a lot of money. The risk of making some mistake and messing the whole thing up was too high.
But I'm still happy I can say that I did the design and decided all the specs, and apparently I did it quite well, the luthier congratulated me for my choices and he did not have to change practically anything from my original design and specs.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 26 2024 at 14:07
Ready for paint. Now I have a dilemma, initially I had thought about painting it in opaque light grey (all the hardware is black), but I now realise that it's nice to see the construction of the instrument, the neck-through, the laminated 3-piece neck, the wood has a nice enough grain... if I paint it opaque this will be lost which is a pity, the guitar will look as if it could as well be made of plastic... But if I want to paint it translucid, light grey is not an option because of the orange-brown tone of the mahogany. I am limited to warm colours such as red, orange, brown... or either leave it with a natural wood finish. I need to think about it and make my mind up quickly...
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: February 26 2024 at 14:19
Beautiful guitar. I vote red for the color.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 06:39
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Beautiful guitar. I vote red for the color.
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Thanks. Red would surely look nice, but I have already a translucent red one, an Aria Pro-II, even if I rarely play it nowadays. We will see...
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 07:53
I was leaning BROWN. It will beautifully pull the grain out and give it a magnificent classy look.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 10:12
JD wrote:
I was leaning BROWN. It will beautifully pull the grain out and give it a magnificent classy look.
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Thanks JD, I'm sure it would look beautiful, but it's so different from what I initially had in mind that I need some time to reset my mind about it. And I wanted some contrast with all the hardware, which I already have and it's all black. Perhaps some brown which is not too dark...
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 10:52
Just looking at a guitar with a FR bridge makes me feel the pain of restringing/tuning it up! xD
------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong
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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 11:59
Hrychu wrote:
Just looking at a guitar with a FR bridge makes me feel the pain of restringing/tuning it up! xD |
I've got a 12 string... those things take up nearly a whole afternoon to re-string and tune up again
------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 14:27
In normal conditions you manage by changing one string at a time, one string and tune it, then change another string and tune it, and so on, so the whole setup remains stable and you don't have to touch the bridge (unless you are changing strings gauges or something). But indeed the very first time you string the instrument or if for whatever reasons all of the strings have been removed, then it can indeed be a pain in the @ss...
I've never had a 12-string but I can believe they must be a pain too...
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 27 2024 at 15:34
Gerinski wrote:
JD wrote:
I was leaning BROWN. It will beautifully pull the grain out and give it a magnificent classy look.
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Thanks JD, I'm sure it would look beautiful, but it's so different from what I initially had in mind that I need some time to reset my mind about it. And I wanted some contrast with all the hardware, which I already have and it's all black. Perhaps some brown which is not too dark... | Absolutely. A gentle Mission Oak type stain that enriches the grain, covered by a clear urethane finish is what I was thinking.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: April 17 2024 at 11:58
Well the guitar spent quite much longer than I expected at the paintshop due to some problems with the varnish supplier, finally I decided to leave it in a natural wooden finish, just varnished. Now installing all the hardware and electronics, it's getting close to finished!
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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: April 17 2024 at 12:11
Looking amazing! Can't wait to see the finished project!
------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: April 17 2024 at 12:16
Frets N Worries wrote:
Looking amazing! Can't wait to see the finished project! |
Thanks buddy, I can't wait either!
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 17 2024 at 20:46
This was fascinating to scroll through. I appreciate the photos. I hope it is the instrument of your dreams.
If you don't mind disclosing, what did this set you back?
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: April 18 2024 at 04:43
Epignosis wrote:
If you don't mind disclosing, what did this set you back? |
A lot of money... I chose all first-class components and selected the best among the local luthiers, at the end of the day it's gonna be close to 4,000 .
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 18 2024 at 15:53
Gerinski wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
If you don't mind disclosing, what did this set you back? |
A lot of money... I chose all first-class components and selected the best among the local luthiers, at the end of the day it's gonna be close to 4,000 . |
I don't wish to purchase one at this time.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 14 2024 at 12:44
Well this is going to be the last progress update before the final product. The only missing things are the covers of the electronics cavities, the cover of the trussrod in the headstock, and installing the strings and final testing and adjustment.
Designing the trussrod cover with the guitar name
And testing the engraving of the name
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 15:43
The guitar is finally finished!! I have to say that I'm very pleased with the work by the luthier, we have been working together in this project for a few months and he has always been very receptive to my ideas while giving me wise advice when my ideas were not so good. He is quite a perfectionist and the finished guitar looks and feels great.
And it sounds great too! Quite oriented to hard / heavy playing but with a modern sound, and it sounds also great when played clean. I also appreciate that it makes no background noise at all.
Now I just need to re-learn to play, since it's been quite many years without playing.
I'm posting here a lot of pics
The guitar came out a bit heavier than I would have liked, the mahogany used for the body wings is very dense, 4.032 kg (8.89 lbs).
And here it is finally in my "guitars wall", now it's time to play!!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 15:59
What a beauty !
My only concern (if it were me) is it looks a bit on the heavy & bulky side. But if that suits you, then it definitely looks like something you'd see in a dream.
Congratulations.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 16:46
Atavachron wrote:
What a beauty !
My only concern (if it were me) is it looks a bit on the heavy & bulky side. But if that suits you, then it definitely looks like something you'd see in a dream.
Congratulations.
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Thanks buddy! If you check the last pic, my "guitars wall", you can see that it's not that big in terms of body size, compared to the other 2 electrics (the blue one is a Carvin DC-135 and the red one is an Aria Pro-II CS-350, and the bass (A Peavey Fury II).
However the body is somewhat thicker, and the mahogany used for the body wings is surely denser and therefore heavier than the poplar of the Carvin or the ash of the Aria.
I would have liked it to be a bit lighter, because I don't play gigs but sometimes we rehearse for 3 or 4 hours. But now it is what it is, and in any case it's not obscenely heavy, as I said 4.032 kg or 8.89 lbs, around the weight of a PRS or a Gibson ES-335 and even a bit lighter than a standard Les Paul.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 16:53
Right-- as a knife & watch enthusiast, I've become acutely aware of weight and size as it relates to carrying.
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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 20:13
Looks amazing! How does it sound?!
------------- The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...
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Posted By: 97mgg
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 20:30
What a fantastic read! Gerinski I hope you really enjoy your magical creation :)
Would love to tinker on something too, but don't have access to a decent workspace anymore. Have toyed with kit guitars in the past which was fun... but the current project is kind of on old. Attempting to make a midi guitar since the Misa Kitara died on me lol.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 27 2024 at 23:47
Thanks!
Frets N Worries wrote:
Looks amazing! How does it sound?! |
The Cygnus X-1 feels and plays very nicely, the action is set very low but there is no fret buzz at all. The frets are nicely polished and the feel is very smooth, also when bending.
I had never played with EMG active pickups and indeed they have a very good output power. I also appreciate that it makes no background noise at all, certainly less than my Carvin. I will need to learn to feel when the batteries start to fade out, which is a little concern. Originally I had thought about integrating a low-bat led indicator but the luthier discouraged me from doing so since he says that they are not really accurate and that I will learn to feel it in the sound.
I still need to discover a lot in terms of sound, especially coupled with my effects pedalboard (a Yamaha GW50). I chose a pickups switching scheme with individual toggle switches for each pickup, the 2 humbuckers have 3 positions off / single / humbucker, and the middle single coil has off / on. This means that selecting a certain combination is a bit slower than with a 3 or 5 way switch, but it allows for many more possible combinations, so I will have to experiment quite a bit with all of them.
I play with 0.009 - 0.046 strings so the tone is hybrid, with bright high frequencies and mid-low bottom.
At first impression it sounds very good, rather oriented to hard / heavy playing but with a modern sound, and when played clean it sounds very nice too, of course it's a superstrat, it will never sound as a semi-hollow guitar, but it sounds pretty nice and warm for this kind of guitar.
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 09:29
I've been following this thread in silence, but with interest. Thanks for sharing this nice project with us, the result is beautiful. I hope you will find a lot of joy playing it!
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 13:43
suitkees wrote:
I've been following this thread in silence, but with interest. Thanks for sharing this nice project with us, the result is beautiful. I hope you will find a lot of joy playing it!
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Thank you!
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