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Topic: I don't know why I'm posting thisPosted By: octopus-4
Subject: I don't know why I'm posting this
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 06:39
Well, I'm usually to shy to share the rubbish that I put on Bandcamp for my own fun (and as a form of backup).
Anyway, I have just published 10 tracks made with a classical guitar only and mixed (quite badly) with Mixcraft.
It's all recorded one-take, so it's full of errors, too.
So why am I posting?
I'd just like to know if anybody thinks that I should quit making stuff (I' continue doing it regardless) or if there's any suggestion or comment.
The second link that I'm posting is the previous release. There I wanted to sound like Klaus Schulze but I obviously failed.
Just in case any fool liked to download, please put a 0 in the price. I'm not Zappa, so I'm not there for money.
I strongly suggest to avoid the rest of my stuff. I wouldn't spend time on it if it wasn't my own.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Replies: Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 08:40
Awesome. If you want to expand your mixing possibilities, I recommend learning to use the DAW called Reaper. It's super powerful and really affordable. A bit more complex than Mixcraft, but if you're a Vegas user like me, you should master it in no time.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 09:52
Hi, I promise to listen to these in the next day or so ... not feeling well today and need to rest some more.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 10:28
I don't know why i'm responding to this.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 10:50
I don't know why I wish I had more time to listen to these right now.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 14:51
Thanks to all. I started making stuff during the lockdown and since then it's the first time that I make it public. Neither my family is aware of that and I don't think my wife has ever listened to any of my tracks.
So I still don't know why I have posted the links. I need an analyst.
But thank you for any critics, comment and suggestion. ("Quit making this rubbish" is a possible one).
I have forgotten to say that I don't think I've made any prog.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 15:59
I don't know why I enjoyed this music...BUT I DID.
Nice stuff Luca. Where does the name Yelling Xoanon come from?
So here's my $0.02 worth.
Guitar 2
Try EQ'ing your reverb with a Lo Pass Filter. It can help with the 'Finger Sqeak' to give the mix more of a room sound and remove the weird effect the high end reverb gives to the strings.
Across The Event Horizon
What kind of sequencer are you using? I like the way the tune builds in structure and dynamics. By using panning and EQ'ing you can manipulate the sound stage more and create space within the music that allows it to breathe. This lends itself nicely to the idea of being in the vastness of space and hearing celestial bodies across the 'galaxy'?
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 02:51
Many thanks for your comments.
Where does the name Yelling Xoanon come from?
In 1982 I was in a prog cover band and we were looking for a name. I searched on a dictionary for words beginning with 'X' and 'Y'. I've found Xoanon that comes from the Greek mythology. It's a sort of wooden statue. 'Yelling' was the natural consequence. I remembered that name 40 years after when I joined Bandcamp. An alternative was "Invaders from Uranus", bit it fits more with a Punk band.
What kind of sequencer are you using?
No sequencers at all. It's all hand made, but some sequences come from the midi sound banks included in Mixcraft. Probably you are referring to "Take Off". The sequence was free from Mixcraft, I have just played the chords.
I made the title track (what a pompous definition) just after having listened to Klaus Schulze for about a week. Three tracks were written as soundtrack for a videogame as my daughter is a developer.
An interesting fact is that a friend has released an official album few weeks before, and I have inconsciously used the same concept (and two track titles) from his work.
The album is "Andromeda" by "Audiozona". It's on youtube and is a proper album.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 17 2023 at 08:09
Celebrating my own finishing of my first track in two years, I gave this a listen, i.e., the first track on "Guitar" (and a minute elsewhere here and there on that album), and the 9 minutes Klaus Schulze one.
"Entry Level" - I like this a lot. I love the sound of the acoustic guitar and melodic guitar instrumentals - far underrepresented in my collection. Very enjoyable well written and constructed piece! I'd probably be quite happy with it had I done it myself. Actually I have the whole album running while writing this, I like the musicality and compositions.
"Across the Event Horizon" - I like everything on it, sounds and ideas make sense and create an atmosphere. For me personally it's just a bit minimalist and long for what's in it. Now I have the same complaint at times with Klaus Schulze himself, so you reached your aim there. Something meditative and minimalist that relies on atmosphere needs a special mood to properly get into it, so I don't want to say there should be more in it or it should be shorter, it may work well as it is for the right listener in the right mood. One advice though, I'd use a proper sequencer for the rhythmic parts as I think this kind of electronic music needs the rhythm to be sharp. The machine sound is in a strange contrast to the hand made playing.
Regarding "quit making stuff" by the way, apart from the fact that I do like what you're doing, nobody should quit what they enjoy doing. Even without anyone else listening to my stuff I feel so much better producing some of my own music again. I don't think we're dependent on being listened to, or "assessed" by anyone!
I like that you posted this, and I'm toying around with putting something of mine up here, I mean you're probably a better guitarist than me but unprofessional enough that it still can encourage me.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 17 2023 at 15:02
I wasn't expecting any appreciation, now I have a sort of review. Fitst of all, thanks for your time. Making Entry Level has taken less than 30 minutes from the initial chord progression to the recording. It's so simple that's the reason why I have called it so. The whole compilation has taken three days for a total of about 8 hours. Relistening to Event Horizon I agree with you. It's too long, especially the first part. Anyway, I'm thinking to re-recording or even rewriting the older stuff, but it would take time and I don't think I will before my retirement. I'll be happy to listen to your stuff, and I'm also open to collaborations. Latimer and Scherpenzeel have made Stationary Travellers by sending audio files to each other. It may work for unprofessional people, too. Last, the acoustic tracks are made of two or three lanes. I'm not that good as it could seem. A real guitarist might have played all the notes in one shot.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 23 2023 at 10:46
Hi mates,
I've got the Covid (I was still untouched until now).
So I have to stay close in my studio. It has resulted in another 13 tracks.
It's an imaginary soundtrack to the first tale by H.P. Lovecraft that I've read when I was 9 years old.
I hope it sounds as creepy as I would it to sound.
Hi. I listened to the first song you put up, an acoustic classical song.
I'm listening to this and wondering what that scratchy sound is. Bad wire? Personally, I prefer an acoustic sound to a flanger (proper term?)..
I'm a musician, but have no idea what midis and sequencers are (and don't care to know), but it would be cool if you added some rhythm, tapping on hand drums, or ... anything.
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 23 2023 at 12:18
^But as a musician, you should know.
MIDI = Musical Instrument Digital Interface
So the keyboard or other MIDI device becomes the trigger (what you push to make the sound) and the signal goes to a computer that uses 'soundfonts' or other formats to create the actual sound.
Sequencer = A device that allows you to create repeatable patterns within the instrument. Sometimes left to their own (think ending to ELP'S Karn Evil 9 3rd Imp.) or one that changes cords or notes as a keyboard is played (think beginning of Baba O'Riely by The Who)
As for your flanger comment. A flanger combines the original signal of an instrument with a slightly delayed and modulated signal to create a sort of 'WOW'ing sound to the instrument.
Hope that helps a little.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 23 2023 at 14:31
Hi MortSahlFan, I have set track7 as the default on Bandcamp. It's a mistake. Now if you follow the link it will start playing from track 1.
Track 7 is intended as a pause between dissonant electronic tracks.
I have added the scratchy sounds. It's a very hardly distorted guitar tapping the stopped strings very lightly.
I have used drums only on the last track. I'm not a drummer so I try to avoid usings things I'm not able to use properly as much as I can.
I don't use sequencers. Perhaps if I had one I would use it, but all the things that seem sequenced are hand-made.
What seems a flanger is a digital reverb combined with a delay.
I'm not a musician and I'm experimenting the effects provided by Mixcraft trying to obtain the sounds that I have in mind, but I don't succeed very often. I have no idea of how to make my guitar sound like David Gilmour's. I suspect the problem is behind the instrument, not inside.
If you have spare time to waste, try "Guitar". It's just a batch of 10 acoustic tracks made using only a classical guitar.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: September 25 2023 at 13:50
I like the classical guitar playing. I like the chord changes . Very nice! I used to be a classical student. I used to put all my energy into Classical guitar. I eventually gave that up and instead combined it with Prog Rock and jazzy ideas. I released Lighthouse Summer in 2004 which was my only acoustic album. The style you have is interesting and I like it. I like your ideas.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 25 2023 at 22:20
^ so now I'm curious to listen to your album
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 11 2023 at 11:57
I'm back here with a single track. I've done a guitar cover of NichelOdeon's "Malamore E La Luna". I have sent it to Claudio Milano and unexpectedly I've got his thumb up.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: October 14 2023 at 22:44
^I've never heard the original, but the cover sounded lovely! Classical Guitar is a mountain that i'm afraid i'll never climb, so I'll stick to my electric and 12 string.
Great sound on the guitar, any effects used?
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 15 2023 at 13:46
respect to the original I have played the sung parts including the bridge, all together with keyboard melody. Only the chorus, that's the melodic part of the song is close to the original.
I have to say that NichelOdeon rely mainly on the absurd vocal extension of the singer and composer Claudio Milano. Replacing his voice with the guitar would have been impossible, that's why I have changed that part.
The only effect used is the reverb on the main track.
This is a link to a live performance of Claudio Milano. I hope you'll enjoy it.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: October 15 2023 at 16:58
JD wrote:
^But as a musician, you should know.
MIDI = Musical Instrument Digital Interface
So the keyboard or other MIDI device becomes the trigger (what you push to make the sound) and the signal goes to a computer that uses 'soundfonts' or other formats to create the actual sound.
Sequencer = A device that allows you to create repeatable patterns within the instrument. Sometimes left to their own (think ending to ELP'S Karn Evil 9 3rd Imp.) or one that changes cords or notes as a keyboard is played (think beginning of Baba O'Riely by The Who)
As for your flanger comment. A flanger combines the original signal of an instrument with a slightly delayed and modulated signal to create a sort of 'WOW'ing sound to the instrument.
Hope that helps a little.
I figured, but if I want those sounds I think it's my responsibility to play them without the automatic stuff.
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 15 2023 at 17:24
Nice, Claudio has written to me as well, very impressed by his music. I like your re-arrangement as well.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 01:49
I figured, but if I want those sounds I think it's my responsibility to play them without the automatic stuff.
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Just a thing: MIDI and MIDI Sequencer are two different things. If I can emulate an instrument, or at least getting closer to its sound without buying an orchestra, I use MIDI. I still have to press white and black keys on a keyboard to get what I want.
Recording a sequence of notes to have them played continuously in a loop is what a sequencer does. It may use on not use MIDI sounds. Long time ago in the recording studios they were using tapes: cut, joined in a loop and played.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 01:52
About Cluadio Milano: one hour of Dante's Comedy
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 17 2023 at 02:21
Tangerine Dream - Dante's Inferno
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 18 2023 at 01:26
I'm a TD fan, even if I'm more in the Pink and Virgin periods. Claudio Milano is a totally different thing. He can do with his voice more than what Froese has done with his synths. Years ago, he introduced me to the music of some classical and conteporary composers. I'm grateful for his suggestions.
Try this:
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 18 2023 at 01:39
And look at this...
nice, I've started this thread to share my rubbish, and I'm ending sharing incredible stuff
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 18 2023 at 01:45
octopus-4 wrote:
I'm a TD fan, even if I'm more in the Pink and Virgin periods. Claudio Milano is a totally different thing. He can do with his voice more than what Froese has done with his synths. Years ago, he introduced me to the music of some classical and conteporary composers. I'm grateful for his suggestions.
Tangerine Dream's Dante's Inferno trilogy isn't about the synths though. It's all about the voices, which is why they're amongst my favourite TD albums.
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 20 2023 at 15:16
If you like music based on Dante's comedy there's the Kalevala compilation. A total of 12 CDs, 4 for each part, each song played by a different prog band or artist. You can find details on the various artists page on PA.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 18 2023 at 01:08
Hi, I should open a different thread, but I'm using this one for those who have the RSS feed enabled.
There's a new video from Claudio Milano and Nichelodeon that I'd like to share:
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: February 14 2024 at 21:54
octopus-4 wrote:
Well, I'm usually to shy to share the rubbish that I put on Bandcamp for my own fun (and as a form of backup).
Anyway, I have just published 10 tracks made with a classical guitar only and mixed (quite badly) with Mixcraft.
It's all recorded one-take, so it's full of errors, too.
So why am I posting?
I'd just like to know if anybody thinks that I should quit making stuff (I' continue doing it regardless) or if there's any suggestion or comment.
The second link that I'm posting is the previous release. There I wanted to sound like Klaus Schulze but I obviously failed.
Just in case any fool liked to download, please put a 0 in the price. I'm not Zappa, so I'm not there for money.
I strongly suggest to avoid the rest of my stuff. I wouldn't spend time on it if it wasn't my own.
I like your ideas. I've been listening to your music. I haven't completed both albums yet...but I will this week. The chord progressions written for guitar are unique. I enjoy the pieces you wrote.
The electronic music ...which you say is an attempt at sounding like Klaus Schulze sounds a bit more reminiscent of Pauline Anna Strom and Delia Derbyshire regarding the creepy vibe it creates.ive been enjoying your music. Music that I create and is creepy ...is influenced by a occultism environment that I was exposed to as a child. I can appreciate your ideas
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 15 2024 at 04:16
^ Thanks. I'm nothing more than a hobbyist, I tried to be a singer-songwriter when I was very young, but once I've realized to be not talented enough, I've given up. Now I'm just having fun with a DAW.
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: February 15 2024 at 13:36
octopus-4 wrote:
^ Thanks. I'm nothing more than a hobbyist, I tried to be a singer-songwriter when I was very young, but once I've realized to be not talented enough, I've given up. Now I'm just having fun with a DAW.
I always dreamed of being a composer of soundtracks. Reading a script and practically hearing the music in my head for each different scene of the film. I believe I'm cut out for it..but getting involved on the right level is a whole different game. According to Vangelis it was a game which he had to play with the industry throughout his career. In some cases he was held back..(which I find difficult to believe) but he did state that overtime he was pressured by record companies to force music . In otherwords contrived. Forcing the music to be something that it probably wouldn't be if inspired naturally.
To demand an idea sometimes means making up music that's not in your head. In another sense...you may have practiced 10 hours a day in your youth so that you could grow up and become a person who wants to make up music that is not inspired. Does that even make any sense? 😃 This is why I dislike the business mainly. It's been going on for decades. It actually shouldn't have any association with music on any level. It's insignificant to music. It is not helpful..but damaging.
If you take the time to read reviews on Prog archives you begin to wonder if a 1 star rating is a result of a band's music being contrived....as opposed to it commonly being subjective to all and therefore a preference...a matter of taste. As a result..music that is forced and not inspired can be a turn off for critics. Billy Joel and Elton John wrote many commercial hit records that were inspired. However many people cannot tell the difference between what is inspired and contrived and that's why the industry gets away with it. Clearly it doesn't matter in the world because people like what they like regardless if somebody toys with the art for profit. Like being a film director who doesn't value art all that much and pressures a band like Goblin or an artist like Vangelis to be extra cheesy on this one. I certainly don't profess to be great. ..but I do believe that music inspires you and that should be valued more
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 16 2024 at 00:09
Associating music to images and situations is what I usually do when I listen to instrumental music. Atom Heart Mother has been my starting point, but is mainly Vangelis what I have in mind when I mess up with my instruments at home. I also think that listening to songs with lyrics compared to instrumentals is like the difference between a book and a movie. With a book you can build your mental images, with a movie that part of the "work" is already done. Of course both are enjoyable, it's just a different kind of enjoyment.
I agree with you, but I think we can instinctively feel when a song is uninspired. Back to Vangelis, the fact that he used the images as source of inspiration means that almost the 100% of his work is inspired. Only when the story is rubbish the result is inspired but bad. I mean "Suffocation" from "See You Later".
------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com