Misleading album titles
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Topic: Misleading album titles
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Misleading album titles
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:31
I find it interesting how the latest (and last) Present album is titled This Is Not The End when in fact it actually is due to the death of Roger Trigaux. What are some other misleading album titles out there?
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:40
^ why do you find that misleading? You can either take that two ways:
1) the band will continue to exist as Present without Trigaux OR 2) Trigaux was stating that death is not the end but really just a portal to the next journey
Great album although the album cover is a not my favorite
REAL misleading album titles include:
Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats Bjork - Debut (actually her second album) Queen - Jazz Pink Floyd - A Collection of Great Dance Songs
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:41
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. They released 3 more studio albums after that, tho TFC was the last album of the Waters Domination era.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:42
King Crimson's Starless and Bible Black album, which doesn't include the song "Starless".
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:42
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I find it interesting how the latest (and last) Present album is titled This Is Not The End when in fact it actually is due to the death of Roger Trigaux. What are some other misleading album titles out there? |
I'm guessing it means that Roger Trigaux' death is not the end (of course it can have multiple meanings). And I don't find it misleading.
Ween's "12 Golden Country Greats" - now that's misleading as there's only 10 songs on the album.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:44
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Pink Floyd - A Collection of Great Dance Songs |
Ah good old Floydian sarcasm!
------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:46
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
King Crimson's Starless and Bible Black album, which doesn't include the song "Starless".  |
So many album titles are not included in the song titles or lyrics, nor do they really reflect the theme of the album.
See also: 'Meddle' by Pink Floyd, or Brain Salad Surgery by ELP... tho the title song did turn up later on Works vol.2. Similarly with LZ's 'Houses of the Holy' which I think was the first time that the title track of one album actually turned up on the follow-up release.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 10:50
siLLy puPPy wrote:
^ why do you find that misleading? You can either take that two ways:
1) the band will continue to exist as Present without Trigaux OR 2) Trigaux was stating that death is not the end but really just a portal to the next journey
Great album although the album cover is a not my favorite
REAL misleading album titles include:
Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats Bjork - Debut (actually her second album) Queen - Jazz Pink Floyd - A Collection of Great Dance Songs
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Throbbing Gristle has to take top prize.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 11:32
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Throbbing Gristle has to take top prize. |
First one I thought of.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 12:12
siLLy puPPy wrote:
^ why do you find that misleading? You can either take that two ways:
1) the band will continue to exist as Present without Trigaux OR 2) Trigaux was stating that death is not the end but really just a portal to the next journey
Great album although the album cover is a not my favorite
REAL misleading album titles include:
Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats Bjork - Debut (actually her second album) Queen - Jazz Pink Floyd - A Collection of Great Dance Songs
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Well, I thought I read that the intention was to continue the band even though he was in bad health but it turns out the band doesn't exist any more (if I'm not mistaken) due to his death.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 12:14
Another one is Three Sides Live by Genesis since the original UK version was all live. They didn't think the US audience would understand the British humor so they put a fourth side with studio tracks on it instead.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 12:15
Floydoid wrote:
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. They releaed 3 more studio albums after that, tho TFC was the last album of the Waters Domination era. |
I initiallly thought that too but apparently "the final cut" is some kind of Shakespeare reference. I'm not a Shakespear expert so I don't know any specifics but I remember hearing that.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 12:15
Frank Zappa - Bongo Fury. No bongo's to be found.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 12:19
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Floydoid wrote:
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. They releaed 3 more studio albums after that, tho TFC was the last album of the Waters Domination era. |
I initiallly thought that too but apparently "the final cut" is some kind of Shakespear reference. I'm not a Shakespear expert so I don't know any specifics but I remember hearing that. |
it very well could be the end of Present but the title has many other possible interpretations. Another could be that it's not the end of the world if Present no longer exists It's an ambiguous title for sure but misleading? Maybe only as a quick impression
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 13:30
I tend to find Focus' numbering and titles a little confusing.
I guess Focus 8 (2002) was called so, because the Akkerman/ van Leer album from 1985 was apparently a side project (even though it included the two principle lights), so the numbering continued straight from Con Proby (1978), which was number 7.
But in 2005, they recorded Focus 8.5 'Beyond The Horizon' which was another side-project, although it included all the relevant band members... however this wasn't released until 2016, after 9 and 10, so needed to be called 8.5.
A year later, in 2017, they released the double 'Focus Family Album', which seemed to follow a very similar writing style to Focus 8.5, with most of the main tracks a joint band collaboration, but for some reason couldn't be called Focus 11....
I think I've been mislead...
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 14:37
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Floydoid wrote:
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. They releaed 3 more studio albums after that, tho TFC was the last album of the Waters Domination era. |
I initiallly thought that too but apparently "the final cut" is some kind of Shakespear reference. I'm not a Shakespear expert so I don't know any specifics but I remember hearing that. |
Indeed yes, or it could have been in reference to the final edit of movie before it's released, and possibly a side-swipe at the producer & director of 'The Wall: the Movie' both of whom Roger was at odds with.
------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 15:13
siLLy puPPy wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Floydoid wrote:
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. They releaed 3 more studio albums after that, tho TFC was the last album of the Waters Domination era. |
I initiallly thought that too but apparently "the final cut" is some kind of Shakespear reference. I'm not a Shakespear expert so I don't know any specifics but I remember hearing that. |
it very well could be the end of Present but the title has many other possible interpretations. Another could be that it's not the end of the world if Present no longer exists It's an ambiguous title for sure but misleading? Maybe only as a quick impression
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I don't wish to split hairs about this and you do have a point but my initial impression of that title based on the fact that Roger passed away is that it was a bit misleading. As you say there could be multiple interpretations of it and we can also say that about a lot of titles we might think of as misleading. If a band puts out an album called 20 jazz funk hits and it's clearly not jazz funk then yeah that could be seen as misleading unless one is in on the joke.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 15:15
Floydoid wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Pink Floyd - A Collection of Great Dance Songs |
Ah good old Floydian sarcasm! |
Although not prog how about the worst of Jefferson Airplane?
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 15:41
Peter Hammill - pH7 This is actually Peter Hammill's eighth album, not his seventh album as suggested by the title. However, having studied chemistry, I have never regarded "pH7" as referring to a seventh album, and have always assumed it referred to the pH of neutral water, which fits in with the underlying theme of normality throughout the album.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 20:27
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 17 2024 at 23:44
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Another one is Three Sides Live by Genesis since the original UK version was all live. They didn't think the US audience would understand the British humor so they put a fourth side with studio tracks on it instead.
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The idea that Genesis had a sense of humour is funny in itself. Personally I never understood that title either although I assumed the point was that 3 sides were taken from the Abacab tour (so an actual concert perhaps) and the forth side had previous unreleased archive material. I didn't see it as a 'joke' tbh.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 18 2024 at 01:18
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Floydoid wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Pink Floyd - A Collection of Great Dance Songs |
Ah good old Floydian sarcasm! |
Although not prog how about the worst of Jefferson Airplane? |
Not to mention 'The Worst of Ashton Gardner & Dyke'.
https://www.discogs.com/master/348065-Ashton-Gardner-Dyke-The-Worst-Of-Ashton-Gardner-Dyke" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/master/348065-Ashton-Gardner-Dyke-The-Worst-Of-Ashton-Gardner-Dyke
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 18 2024 at 01:36
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Another one is Three Sides Live by Genesis since the original UK version was all live. They didn't think the US audience would understand the British humor so they put a fourth side with studio tracks on it instead.
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Maybe would have been more confuddling if they'd called it 'Three Sides Live; One Side Dead'.
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Posted By: Gramonster
Date Posted: August 18 2024 at 02:18
And there are earlier cases of a title track appearing on a follow up album, like Frank Zappa's Absolutely Free song appearing on We're Only in it for the Money in 1968.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 18 2024 at 02:21
^Yep indeed.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 18 2024 at 10:43
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Peter Hammill - pH7 This is actually Peter Hammill's eighth album, not his seventh album as suggested by the title. However, having studied chemistry, I have never regarded "pH7" as referring to a seventh album, and have always assumed it referred to the pH of neutral water, which fits in with the underlying theme of normality throughout the album.
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I always thought it was a chemistry reference too (which it probably is) but also assumed it was his seventh(I never bothered counting). Then again maybe PH wasn't think of Fool's Mate as his first album. Who knows.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 18 2024 at 12:25
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=44488" rel="nofollow - Taï Phong - Return of the Samurai Not a return by any means. Khanh Maï is the only founding member left, with the drummer Stéphan Caussarieu gone at that point. The music doesn't resemble 70s Taï Phong in any way.
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