Jobson on Yes
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Topic: Jobson on Yes
Posted By: Finnforest
Subject: Jobson on Yes
Date Posted: May 06 2025 at 19:13
Eddie Jobson - Many of you have probably read this. I had not, so maybe some of you haven't either. I enjoy reading about behind the scenes stuff good and bad, but if Admin feels this is too negative for polite company, feel free to delete.  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 06 2025 at 19:45
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Not a jab at all: Would you have wanted Eddie Jobson in Yes? If so, why? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: May 06 2025 at 21:23
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Maybe we can get some idea of how it would have sounded like by listening to this: Yes + electric violin = must be even better |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 07 2025 at 03:39
| I've never liked that period of Yes anyway but maybe Eddie could have made it something interesting perhaps. Moraz was dumped out the band 8 years earlier so that should have already been a 'red flag' as he puts it so getting involved was risky. Even Wakeman had to seemingly fight for his place in the band. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 07 2025 at 09:34
Hi, I mainly got RELAYER because of Patrick Moraz as I had enjoyed REFUGEE a heck of a lot, and still played it. Sadly, I'm not sure that he was strong enough in that album, perhaps brought on a bit late and he tried to fit in ... or similar idea. When I heard that he was dumped, was, really, the time I really dumped YES ... it wasn't about the music and its meaning and strength at all ... it was about "let them eat cake" ... and they may have had a hit song, but it has never moved me, and I find it sad and poor for what the band had done for many years, a definite change, which even they did not keep! Confusion was their epitaph ... but for me the European scene was vastly superior. Take away one album or two albums, none of the rest dances as much as so much stuff out of Europe. I still have Jobson's stuff with Roxy Music, Curved Air, and some other things. I never got into the "super group" thing with UK, or even with Asia, though they had some nice stuff. Again, the European scene was vastly superior by that time. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
richardh wrote:Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: May 07 2025 at 11:02
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The violin does nothing for that particular song posted and I think it simply doesn’t fit anywhere as far as YES is concerned. The little solo piece is great but not the YES sound IMO ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 07 2025 at 12:34
Hi, I think, and often wonder, if Eddie Jobson had a more interesting musical pedigree that would change/uncenter a lot of the work that YES did ... I don't think YES wanted a violin, and they made sure that the keyboards covered that, as one could easily say that one thread by RW would be the "violin" part, for example. Eddie, probably being a bit of a purist, probably gave the idea that the violin should be used more, which I'm not sure YES was comfortable with, and yo kinda can see it ... in later years Jon travellend with Jean-Luc Ponty and the sad part? He was not used properly and was left with just adding a touch here or there, and I would suggest he was grossly mis-used despite most of it being his band. I think he deserved better, but I'm not sure that Jon was comfortable having Jean-Luc have a run of songs to play and do ... it had to be all Jon! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: May 07 2025 at 17:58
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I don't mind if violins don't play I won't listen to them anyway Jeff Lynne |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 09 2025 at 01:51
| Air Cut by Curved Air was and still is great and one of the most overlooked albums of 1973. That was the perfect band for Eddie but it's understandable he moved on from that when the chance came along to work with Roxy and Frank Zappa. All this he did before barely turning 20 then forms the second greatest prog supergroup (in my estimation). Interesting that Eddie was actually as old as Keith Emerson was when ELP started at the time of his dalliance with Yes. His attitude would have been different to the jaded guys in Yes I think. I would rather listen to his beautiful masterpeice of instrumental music Theme Of Secrets than literally anything Yes produced after Drama. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 09 2025 at 11:08
I own many releases by Private Music. Theme of Secrets is near the top (pity that the follow-up he completed, titled Darkness, remains fully in limbo). A video was produced for "Memories of Vienna." A comment was left by none other than G.E. Stinson of Shadowfax. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: May 09 2025 at 11:13
| That's very interesting; I love this kind of behind the scenes commentary. I know many Yes fans jumped the ship after 90125 (although I enjoyed the Union tour). Good for him, I say. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 09 2025 at 17:22
Hi, He never needed them ... he used the keyboards for that! I'm not sure it made ELO better, but it certainly got better known. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: May 10 2025 at 08:26
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was reading an ironic tone in those words, something like the view of somebody who is in refusal (God knows why) to listen and enjoy violins, cellos, any addition to the regular rock band. Nothing wrong with Yes as it was, but the Jobson incident makes me think how it WOULD be, if his tenure had continued, and violin had enriched their sound. Would have been something to hear, I think. My point is 100% counterfactual, of course. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 10 2025 at 09:28
Hi, Not really ... it's no big deal, or a secret that for more than 40 years a keyboard has replaced an orchestra, and bands like ELO kinda helped that idea, though I'm not sure it was meant to do that at all ... and in general, I like Roy Wood's stuff a heck of a lit more than ELO ... it has more soul and believability behind it than the MOR stuff that ELO went on to do so it could be played on the American radio, even after the FM station Rape in America. I have no issues with different things, and a violin, while special in many ways is a wonderful thing to have, although I think that too many rock folks (specially progrock!) don't usually like to get away from the generic format of guitar, bass, keyboards and cheap drummer! Another cheap example, is how RW used one other "analog" instrument to play what would, otherwise, be a violin part. He knew he was doing that, but we fans just kept thinking he was a keyboard genius ... not really ... he was making sure he could replace an orchestra in its entirety! But, really, it was a lot more fun to watch the guys go crazy in Roll Over Beethoven ... than it was to watch their hit songs yet again, and fall asleep!! The funny part is that Jeff Lynne won't release those live performances, because it makes him look weak and not a very good player in the whole thing. And as we saw it later, he was probably a better arranger than he was a musician in my book! One thing though ... ELO's tours should have cost a lot less, other than their high price, since there were a lot less folks with them on a tour! That is (normally) more of a fact of life than it is otherwise, unless your name is ELP and you have no problem squandering several millions you have earned! At least it was for a wonderful concept and idea! Just for giggles, my number one violin player is Chris Karrer of Amon Duul 2. And he used to love doing duets with the guitarist John Weinzierl. And for the record, I loved DEARLY the East Meets West with Yehudi Menuhin and Ravi Shankar, which I saw in Chicago on my Senior Year in school on a trip to the Chicago Art Institute and also to see a Matinee of Man of La Mancha with Richard Kiley. So ... violins, for me, are wonderful and not just another instrument ... I simply wish that the PA folks treated it better and with more appreciation than just an electric guitar. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: May 10 2025 at 11:10
| ^ Sad thing when money or legal issues decide who will be (or not) in the next phase of a band. That's why the moments in which musicians don't follow that criteria are so endearing. And in any case, I can't help but imagine "the road not taken", like Jobson in Yes. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 10 2025 at 15:49
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Yes was always waving "red flags," just ask Peter Banks! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |