Bonus tracks/B-Sides replacing actual album tracks
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Topic: Bonus tracks/B-Sides replacing actual album tracks
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Subject: Bonus tracks/B-Sides replacing actual album tracks
Date Posted: June 03 2025 at 13:37
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If you could replace any song on an existing album with another song by the same artist from the same recording sessions, what would you choose? Here are my 10 choices, all are in PA: Led Zeppelin - III (1970): Replace "Hats Off to Roy Harper" with "Hey Hey What Can I do?" Genesis - Wind and Wuthering (1976): Replace "Your Own Special Way" with "Inside and Out". Anthony Phillips - Sides (1979): Replace "Holy Deadlock" with "Souvenir". Led Zeppelin - In Through the Out Door (1979): Replace "Hot Dog" with "Ozone Baby". Peter Gabriel - IV (Security) (1982): Replace "Kiss of Life" with "Soft Dog". Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear (1983): Replace "Garden Party" with "Charting the Single". Barclay James Harvest - Ring of Changes (1983): Replace "Just a Day Away (Forever Tomorrow)" with "Blow Me Down". Robert Plant - Now and Zen (1988): Replace "Billy's Revenge" with "Walking Toward Paradise". Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe - s/t (1989): Replace "The Meeting" with "Vultures in the City". Genesis - We Can't Dance (1991): Replace "Jesus He Knows Me", "Tell Me Why", and "Living Forever" (yep, all of them) with "On the Shoreline". And for those who were wondering, I did remember the Yes cover of "America", but I can't seriously consider replacing any song on Fragile. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 03 2025 at 13:54
| The songs that did not make it on Genesis - Abacab - Submarine, You Might Recall and Naminanu can replace Whodunnit. These three songs are better than a couple other songs on the album, such as Like It or Not and Another Record. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 04 2025 at 03:25
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Brain Salad Surgery OUT Benny The Bouncer IN When The Apple Blossom Blooms in The Windmills of Your Mind I Will be Your Valentine |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 04 2025 at 04:24
My playlist for 'Fragile' has the 5 shorter solo pieces stripped out, and has 'America' tacked on at the end - that makes for a more satisfying listen IMO. ------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour |
Steve Wyzard wrote:Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 04 2025 at 04:26
My BSS playlist retains 'Benny the Bouncer', but has the track 'Brain Salad Surgery' inserted before Karn Evil 9. That works well. ------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: June 04 2025 at 06:27
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Honestly speaking, I'm not much for this kind of experiments, as it may look like lack of respect for the cultural heritage - especially when it's done in reissues and may be confusing with regard to the original form of an album.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: BasedProgger
Date Posted: June 04 2025 at 08:49
I agree. The concept of each member having their own solo piece is pretty cool and you'd have to remove almost all of them to make room for "America". In that case, the only one I'd keep is "The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus)". Side A Roundabout South Side of the Sky Long Distance Runaround The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) Side B Heart of the Sunrise America I still prefer the original album. I'd like to say drop "Heartbeat" and "Two Hands" from King Crimson's Beat but there isn't anything to replace it with except for "Absent Lovers" which sounds incomplete and an extended version of "Requiem" which was already long enough to begin with. Also "Groon" from In the Wake of Poseidon but there's nothing to remove (well, maybe "Peace - A Theme"). |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 05:53
that's just another 'joke' track imo. When The Apple Blossoms.. is one of ELP's finest intrumentals and shows an almost jazz fusion side with some lovely fat bass plus that fantastic moog sound (Carl is good also :)) |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 06:21
While I couldn't really come up with something I'd actually like to replace myself, it's just a bit of "what if"-fun. And if you don't like it, you don't have to participate. Simple as that.
*I never had a problem with the album. The two songs that somewhat resemble songs from the debut are both wonderful, and that's more than good enough for me. Maybe I'd have an issue with it if I was around to buy it in real time, 1970, but I wasn't. |
Posted By: BasedProgger
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 08:54
Poseidon could have been better appreciated if it didn't seem like a carbon copy of Court. At least the B-side is different enough and the peace themes change things up a bit. Maybe if the order of the tracks changed and Groon replaced Cadence and Cascade (not a track I'd want to remove but it does feel out of place with Haskell's vocals)... A-side The Devil's Triangle Peace - A Beginning Pictures of a City B-side Peace - A Theme Cat Food Groon In the Wake of Poseidon Peace - An End I wish the original lineup had stayed together for one more album before going their separate ways because we could have gotten a true masterpiece of an album with songs from Poseidon, McDonald & Giles, and possibly radically different versions of "Take a Pebble" and "Lucky Man". But Poseidon is still a good album regardless. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 12:14
No, bud! Replace "Teakbois," not "The Meeting."  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 12:39
I'll accept this, because I know "Teakbois" gets a lot of hate for being so "over the top" and out of character for these players. If we set the silly lyrics aside, I actually really enjoy the band's musical performance on this. I chose "The Meeting" because not only are Howe and Bruford missing, but it utterly kills the album's momentum. Yes it's pretty, but putting such a "soft" song right in the middle of the album makes it kind of a dead weight. Even though it's only four minutes, it outstays its welcome. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 14:24
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Twilight alehouse replaces More Fool Me Twilight alehouse replaces Time Table Twilight alehouse replaces Harrold & Harlequin A day in the life of Maurice Haylett replaces If I could & Hello Hello ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 22:25
| ^ just need something to replace Battle Of Epping Forest |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: June 05 2025 at 22:35
The problem with the reissues may not be that big, so maybe it's as simple as that. Anyway, I definitely prefer reissues just looking as the originals and without bonus tracks. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 00:40
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 09:10
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On Led Zeppelin III, I would definitely replace "Hats off to (Roy) Harper" with "Hey, Hey, What Can I Do". It is simply a far better song. Definitely a "what the f*ck?" exclusion. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: BasedProgger
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 10:10
Fine with me (although I still prefer the original track listing, and this wouldn't have changed the fact this is just another ITCOTCK so long as "Pictures of a City" and the title track are included, but I wouldn't trade those for something else). |
Posted By: BasedProgger
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 10:13
One more song for Physical Graffiti I guess. |
Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 10:17
The Dodo Suite would have been interesting... Listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPu5VPA3CR0" rel="nofollow - Naminanu/Dodo/Lurker/Submarine |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 10:44
I personally don't have a problem with "The Battle of Epping Forest" in spite of its silly middle section. Yet there was almost an option for a replacement song from this album's sessions. Steve Hackett resurrected a song called "Deja Vu" for his Genesis Revisited album in 1996. He said he wrote it with Peter Gabriel, but that it was never finished because "More Fool Me" was included to give Phil Collins a vocal number. "Deja Vu" was also performed on Hackett's 2019 tour. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 16:14
Epping Forest & Ordeal are the best thing on SEBTP ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: BasedProgger
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 17:27
Or all of the shorter songs (minus "Aisle of Plenty"), although "I Know What I Like" and "After the Ordeal" would have been missed. I feel if these bonus tracks really had replaced actual album tracks, we'd be complaining about the actual album tracks being left out if said tracks were still released in some form. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 06 2025 at 20:12
Great idea!  ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 07:05
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 08:20
| ^I have a stronger dislike of Epping Forest than More Fool Me. It grates my ears. It's a complete mystery to me how an album containg those two mentioned songs is considered one of the greatest Prog albums of all time. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 10:49
Agreed, and with "Epping Forest" in particular. Like a bad guest, it wears out it's welcome after 3 or 4 minutes, but stays long after everyone else has gone home and you want to go to bed. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 13:51
| ^ I'm listening to it right now. It's so good. What's the deal, guys? |
Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: June 08 2025 at 02:16
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I have previously reviewed Wishbone Ash's No Smoke Without Fire on this site and commented that the CD had two bonus tracks which are really good and could have been on the main album if not for the constraints of vinyl. The main album has one track which I don't much care for (Ships In The Sky) and another (Stand and Deliver) which is good musically but has dodgy lyrics. So I would replace those two songs with Time and Space and Firesign. Another Wishbone Ash album that I feel could be improved is Pilgrimage. The 10 minute live track brings the album down for me, given that it's 25% of the running time. Also the song "Alone" was originally recorded as a longer song with vocals and the producer turned it into a short instrumental because of the running time constraints. Finally, the band had a really good song which later surfaced on the First Light album which was never used on any of their albums (Roads of Day To Day). So my alternative Pilgrimage would be Side 1 Vas Dis Alone (with vocals) Jail Bait Lullaby Side 2 The Pilgrim Valediction Roads of Day to Day |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 08 2025 at 02:29
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 08 2025 at 03:36
| My god we could be here all day. I'm sure there's something on time and a word that can be replaced with "dear father." Also, what about Jethro Tull? I think they have quite a few of these. Then again most prog bands do. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 09 2025 at 05:00
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Tull have several songs from every album year that are better than album songs ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 09 2025 at 05:29
For me Aqualung works well with the five tracks from the 'Life Is a Long Song' E.P. tacked onto the end of the album ------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 09 2025 at 06:04
Epping Forest has got to be their funniest track of the 70's. The lyrics are awesome and the music fits them perfectly, though it's clear more instrumental time might've done it more good. I think this track should've needed another three or four minutes more.
That may be rather true for the later 70's albums (and later on as well), but for the pre-TAAB albums, I don't think it often the case. Sure a couple of singles (hristmas Day, Living In The Past, Singing All Day, etc...) might've sat well with This Was or Benefit, but not at the expense of another track. And certainly not on Aqualung or Stand Up (or Brick, FTM) ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 09 2025 at 06:05
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |