Two 19 minute epics from 2025
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Topic: Two 19 minute epics from 2025
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Two 19 minute epics from 2025
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 11:37
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Two bands formed in the 80s known for being heavy (in rather different ways) each with an epic of similar lengths, but also are apples and oranges, so to speak, stylistically. There is no both or neither option. If either of these are at all to your tastes, which do you prefer? Dream Theater - The Shadow Man Incident (Parasomnia) Swans - [Rope] Away (Birthing) ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 11:48
| (Swans video unavailable, at least for me) - Rope (Away) is amazing, so I just voted for it without giving Dream Theater a listen. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 11:48
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One is Swans, one is Dream Theater. I'll go with Swans. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 11:56
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^^ Here it is on bandcamp for those whose region it will not show up in from youtube and don't know it already. And I too find it amazing (that and "Birthing" were the two that stood the most for me at first, EDIT: And "The Healers" of course, whole thing I really like). https://swans.bandcamp.com/track/rope-away" rel="nofollow - https://swans.bandcamp.com/track/rope-away One criticism of both based on these tracks might be that they are rather each repeating their same formulae rather than trying to be innovative and fresh with something new... It's not problem for me with Swans, as I love that kind of Swans. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Gnik Nosmirc
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 12:02
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I couldn't care for DT or metal, but Swans is amazing! ------------- Eclectic/RIO/RPI/Canterbury |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 12:12
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Swans has been one of the most important bands to me, especially this decade which is when I got to deeply exploring its music especially from Children of God up. I love Swans. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 12:49
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I didn't bother with the first and played the second. The vote goes to Swans. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 12:55
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The love for DT is surely unrivalled on this thread….. ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 13:04
Only very few are best at being an ever-changing artistic chameleon, and I don't really look for that quality in art. |
Logan wrote:Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 13:52
I agree with you. It's unmistakably Swans (unless someone ripped them off very well). It's part of a universe of its own creation. And if the next album is something of a throwback to the folkier side of Gira like Angels of Light, My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky, White Light From the Mouth of Infinity, and leaving meaning. music, I won't complain. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 15:53
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I'm a big DT fan, but in this case I have to go with Swans. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 15:59
Yes, but only in terms of style. And I think that's really fine! Both bands have established a recognizable and quite unique style for themselves. Putting out a new record in that signature style is awesome. But they also need to have an important message to communicate. I think that DT kind of hopped over that part when they got together and wrote the album in a hurry. I really think it had the potential of putting them back on the map as the kings of prog metal, had they given it some more thought instead of just going "through the motions". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 16:04
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Yeah, 0:8 now. ------------- I make typos so you see I'm not a machine, but I may be a machine pretending to not be a machine. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2025 at 17:22
Agreed on style. I have no problem with it. Both releases are very significant ones in heir own ways, and I might have expected Dream Theater to try to be a bit more mind-blowing, I guess, with the return of Portnoy, but seems fine to me. And Gira said that for Swans it is supposed to be the last of the big-sound albums, which makes it something the end of an era. I'd be very happy to see an eclectic album from Swans that has one epic track that leads to one of those big crashing crescendos, some much smaller sounding tracks (with or without a crescendo diminuto, perhaps also known as the little orgasm to some), and a variety of "medium-sound" music (maybe with a "medius crescendo"). ;) I'd like to see the return of Jarboe for one more Swans album. Not only has she had a significant stylistic influence on Gira/Swans, but it brought some wonderful contrast to Swans. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 08 2025 at 01:34
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^ I don't think DT have it in them anymore. JP is too busy selling Whiskey and beard grooming products. JR is goofing around with AI and learning to play the guitar. JLB is barely managing to sing some simplified version of their songs. JM has never been a driving force from what I can tell. MP is just happily drumming along in his signature style. All well and fine, but unfortunately it's not the kind of environment which yields exceptionally good music. It's much more likely that they'll keep playing it safe. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 08 2025 at 07:59
| Another Swans vote. I got the Swans album but don't have a proper listen yet, though (Rope) Away was one I liked and remembered from the show I saw last year. For me, style-wise, Swans is going to win over DT. But I did listen to the first 5 minutes of the DT song. |