why I dislike Phil Collins
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Topic: why I dislike Phil Collins
Posted By: Guests
Subject: why I dislike Phil Collins
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:06
I`m not a fan of Phil Collins ...I see him as the reason Genesis went to Pop music and I don`t like the mans arrogance in general ... why don`t you like Phil Collins ?
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:12
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i like Phil Collins He's an excellent (prog) rock and jazz drummer he made mark on the prog and pop scene i heart his pop solo albums as well i grew up listening to his music...
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:22
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He's a brilliant musician, but has sadly chosen a career in pop instead of jazz or rock. In fairness he cannot be blamed for Genesis turning into a pop group. He was not instrumental in this, as it was not his band. Banks and Rutherford were just as much on his wavelength with regard to 'selling out' Just listen to Mike Rutherford ballads such as 'Your own special way' and all that utter crud he churned out years later with his 'mechanics'
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:29
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Theres a quote I read from Mike Rutherford that went to the effect that Tony's a stubborn b*****d and you cant get him to do what he dosent want to do. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:29
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He is a good drummer theres no doubting that its just he is such a muppet, an 'orrible, whinny little git. He cant write music either just look at his solo albums they all blow big time (except music in the air tonight as I enjoy the bongo drums used) The man is just evil, he is half of the evil twins of pop, his evil twin brother being Chris de Burge ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:35
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You can't blame him for turning Genesis to pop. It was a 3-man job and, as Sleeper said, Tony Banks never does anything he doesn't want to do. Maybe Collins is just Banks's puppet? Collins himself said that he is always the one blamed for "f**king up Genesis" but it wasn't his fault. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">  |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:41
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Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:44
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I like and admire Phil Collins very much, both as a drummer and a singer. However, I dislike most of his solo career. He writes very good "adult pop music", not my cup of tea but nobody can deny he's very good at it. ------------- Don't be a prog-hole, please... |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:46
Well said, great drummer, good singer. I don't really like his solo stuff but I don't see a need to sl*g him off for it - obviously a lot of people do like it. |
Posted By: DEzerov
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:46
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Who is more heinous? A. Phil Collins B. Michael Jackson C. Other Maybe the topic for another thread....  ------------- The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:48
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:51
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The people that balme Phil Collins for recking Genesis are the ones that dont know that he originally suggested the band continue as an instrumentul group, that would have been impressive but the others (Banks and Rutherford most likely) didnt like this and prefered to keep a singer. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: NJprogfan
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:52
| It's funny that the man gets bashed as much as he's been, but to go off the subject a tad...a customer of mine watched, this past Tuesday the 8th, a news segment on Phil Collins filmed at his house in Switzerland. Inn the interview he mentioned that he was in negotiations with the other members of the band, including Peter, to re-form the band with himself only playing drums for touring purposes. I remember this being a rumor, but now it's been recorded on a major US network (NBC New York Channel 4). So you can bash the man all you want. He's an awesome drummer, wants to do what he does best, and if they DO tour, it's going to be MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR!!!! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 11:23
I was very critical of him for along time, until I learnt more about the band and the other personalities in it. It's true that Banks wore the trousers in Genesis, and no one tells him what to do. He went where he wanted to go. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 11:46
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If they do tour again (please please) with Phil on the drums, will they play any of the post-Lamb Lies Down material? Can they persuade Gabriel to sing "Your own special way"? |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 11:56
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I LOVE PHIL COLLINS
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 12:02
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I thought that, with the exception of The Lamb witch was solely written by Gabriel, all members of the band were involved with writing the lyrics and that it was Banks that took the band to a pop sound musically but it was only Collins that wrote the popier songs, at least early on anyway. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 12:07
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 13:24
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because he took Genesis to a Prog Pop Band ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 13:33
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cause he is bald and greasy... ------------- We want... a shrubbery! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 13:49
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I think weve already established that Tony Banks was far more instrumentle in the musical direction that Genesis took after Hackett left. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: Sweetmonkeylove
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 13:53
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I don't really get a lot of this Collins bashing stuff. Sure he was part of a band that collectively wrote in a more pop style after Hackett left, duke etc. (He couldn't have brainwashed the others! Especially banks) but I like him cos he is an excellent drummer, has a great voice and I do, while obviously not prog, really respect and enjoy his solo stuff. Remember guys, you don't have to listen to prog 24/7 to love prog (Sure it makes up 80%of what i listen to, but I like loads of other stuff too). Broaden your horizons, give in to the CHEESINESS of collins. Phil Collins officially not satan (In my mind.) ------------- Isn't this the worst signature ever? I mean really? |
Posted By: Dennis
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 14:50
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Phil is an amazing talent. I first realized how hot a drummer he was
when listening to the closing section of 'The Return of the Giant
Hogweed (Giant Hogweed lives!) on the 'Genesis-Live' album back in
1973. Then of course we have his superb voice. In the early days of
Genesis, hearing Peter and Phil sing together was magic. It was like
Lennon and McCartney or in 'prog-terms' Jon Anderson and Chris Squire.
I was not worried after Peter left when I heard that Phil was taking
over lead vocals. I was more worried about the direction the band was
heading in. In fact I believe that 'A Trick of the Tale' is one of the
best Genesis albums. The band retained its prog-ethic until Steve
Hackett left. I believe that Peter and Steve's influences helped the
band lean towards prog-rock. Peter has always been a unique man, who
seems to be in his own little world which tends to point toward the
avante-garde. In layman's terms it comes out as prog-rock. As far as
Steve goes, everyone knows that he is a true prog-rocker as well as
being an excellent classical guitarist. King Crimson took its toll on
him and has influenced him to this day. He even looked like Robert
Fripp in his early days. (Didn't he become quite handsome after the
beard and horn-rimmed glasses came off?). So to blame Phil for heading
Genesis towards pop is a mistake. Phil, Tony and Mike all chose to move
the band towards pop. I believe they thought by 1977 that prog was
dead, and if they were to survive they better change their ways. Plus
all three remaining members of Genesis enjoyed pop music (Peter does
too but read my previous comments), so there you go! To the old prog
fans this was a horrible mistake and an unforgivable decision. But in
financial terms for the band it was a brilliant decision. I believe so
much was lost when Peter and Steve left, and that their contributions,
in writing helped the band achive the lofty artistic levels that
exsisted
while they were present. But what I don't like about Phil is his
arrogance. He has always been in the spotlight. From his early
childlhood acting, to Genesis and Brand-X, and on to solo-pop stardom
and Disney. It's the commercial pop-machine in him that bothers me.
Wasting such a brilliant talent on trashy simplistist pop, which is
such an easy thing for him with his great talents, instead of using
those God-given talents so much appreciated by us prog-heads in the
classic Genesis and Brand-X. Thank God that his prog-drummer buddy Bill
Bruford never sold out. Man I respect him so much. Even Yes was too pop
for him (Leaving Yes to join King Crimson at the height of power for
Yes was a ballsy move!). Musical integrity and artistic experimentation
is where he's at! Also Phil's writing is great for pop, bad for
prog. But it is obvious that he appreciates pop, and that's where he is
at. We don't have to like it, in fact I loathe it, especially after we
know what he WAS capable of doing, but we should not disrespect him for
his choises.
------------- "Day dawns dark, it now numbers infinity" |
Posted By: matti meikäläin
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:20
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bad drummer, really bad singer. also writes bad music. |
Posted By: Cothan
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:22
Phil Collins Says Genesis Reunion Possible
Phil Collins says he's open to the idea of a Genesis reunion.
Nothing has been announced, but the 54-year-old British singer, who is touring the Middle East, says: "There's a possibility. I'm open for it."
"If it doesn't happen, it won't be because we don't want to. It will just be because there are too many things in the way," he said Sunday. "I'm happy to sit behind the drum kit and let Peter (Gabriel) be the singer, but if it happens, I'll be there."
Genesis formed in 1967, performing for more than 30 years before disbanding in 1998. Collins fronted the band after lead singer Gabriel left in 1975 to pursue a solo career.
Collins went solo in 1996. This u find all over the net, this in paticular taken from: http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/ap/20051107/113141154000.html - http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/ap/20051107/113141 154000.html If they only play one show, and it's on the moon, I'll make my own rocket to get there!!! |
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Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:22
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When he was behind the drums in Genesis on Gabriel era . OK When he took over leading the band . Started to make commercial pop-rock music His solo career music is bulls...t (for a talented musician) Money and cemmercialism blinded him. ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:25
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I meant money and cOmmercialism blinded him ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 16:30
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It's true that the other two were just as guilty, ever heard the later Tony Banks solo work? There's no excuse for that. Collins is good at writing disposable pop songs with hooks that latch onto your brain like leaches, that's why I dread it when one comes on in the department store, it's hell to get it out of your head again! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 16:55
Well said, Nets, as usual. |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:25
| Phil is a fantastic drummer. I hate his voice, but i certainly don't hate him. It just pains me to listen to him sing, because he sounds like Gabriel. hearing him makes me want to listen to Gabriel era genesis. |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:39
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Phil Collins is great. I don't like his solo work AT ALL, but I respect him as a musician and his work with Genesis was superb. |
Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:49
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Did anyone noticed that there is a possibility for a Genesis reunion??? I read an article on my local newspaper that Phil Collins was interviewed in Israel and he talked about a possible Genesis reunion with Gabriel on vocals and Hackett on guitars, as well as the other members. He said he didn't mind to play the drums and have Peter sing... ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:49
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Phenomenal drummer... More soulful than any of his BRITISH peers of the time.... While Phil's (post-But Seriously) solo career is not to my liking, his first four albums either were very good or excellent, but he did what he wanted to do (to the chagrin of everyone whom loved Brand X and Genesis) the complex, hard hitting drummer that was so well admired, grew up and decided complex music was no longer his thing... Phil just happen to be the singer of a band that was once was one of Prog's definitive bands....
Charles ------------- G'day |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:58
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He looks an awful lot like the Mitchell brothers off Eastenders. And Bob Hoskins. Plus he drives one of those enormous people carrier things that take up 2 parking spaces in supermarket car parks. And if you talk to him about a detective story he'll tell you who the murderer was and spoil the ending. And despite his enormous wealth he still thinks he should be able to watch Chelsea for free (like any sane individual would want to watch Chelsea). And Match of the Day is the worst football song of the last 50 years, despite some extremely stiff competition. Then there was his unforgettable performance as Phil the Shill in Miami Vice. And he eats sweets with really noisy wrappers in the cinema, and he doesn't switch his mobile off before the main feature starts. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 18:26
gotta admit, "In the Air tonight" is a pretty rad song. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 18:30
The very fact that he wants a Genesis reunion with Gabriel at the mic proves that this man has respect for his early career. 
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