Are proggers druggies?
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Topic: Are proggers druggies?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Are proggers druggies?
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 15:56
| Waha, vote up my lil stoner buddies. if you WERE (since i presume we have a few people from the flower 60s and 70's) and are not anymore. vote in "A bit" |
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 16:15
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I totally clean and plan to be for my whole life. -------------  
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Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 16:20
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Prog!=Psychedelica Though they're related. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 16:26
I don't see what you're talking about...  
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:38
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I'm just off to the all night garage for some pringles - and chocolate - and a packet of hob nobs - and a big bottle of dry ginger - and some wine gums - and a couple of blueberry muffins - and some of those lemon cheesecake bars. Oh, and a packet of Rizla king size. What was the question again? ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 21:56
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Tried weed twice. Hated it. Never again. Alcohol doesn't interest me now, either. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:36
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from the ages of 17-23, yes but totally clean since September 30, 1996 ... I'm a 32 year old fogey with three kids now ... and if I ever go back down this road, it won't be until I'm about 55! ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:40
Not once since going to university (well I've always hated clichés  ) have I taken anything, but that's a concious decision that will reverse when I have no more studying to do 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:37
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A bit,I stopped smoking bud a long time ago. -------------  |
Posted By: Xymphony
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 02:43
| Very rarely do i smoke, maybe twice a year on special occasions |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 02:51
me too on special occasions only |
Xymphony wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 08:21
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Me too, only special occassions, weekends and weekdays mostly..
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 10:03
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I don't do drugs- good for me.
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Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 16:42
Woah... this poll can't be right. I always figured that proggers
were hardcore stoners. Wow. I mean... I don't do drugs but
I always figured I was special or something. I don't feel so
special anymore... 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 17:10
| yea i must admit i thought there were more... now im lonely |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 17:35
| Clean |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 18:06
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you don't need drugs, when you listen to music that creates the same affects with much more exciting side effects. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 18:33
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^ lol well.. not everyone has the uncanny ability to get a high and an altered mind state while listening to music... but for those of you who can trip off music. well, arent you lucky. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:23
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I really love marijiuana. I think the amount of users would mass greatly if it were a legal substance. -------------   "Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: An old fart
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:43
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Never tried drugs and never will, alcohol doesn't interest me much either, but I drink it sometimes, very rarely though. ------------- "Make tea, not love" |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 02:54
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Prog= Drugs= not So, I’m sprinkly clean ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Although alcohol is yummy
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 06:33
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I still smoke up around twice a month and I shower everyday so I am clean!!!!!!!!!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 07:52
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Me too. |
Posted By: UnderSnow
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 14:45
I somoke pot, and it goes well with prog. 
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 15:53
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I'd rather spend my money on music instead of drugs. ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 12 2005 at 16:52
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No. Now shut up and skin up! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 19:49
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I used to trip QUITE A LOT, when I mean quite a lot, I mean almost every day.
But Sprinkly clean now |
Posted By: Define Insanity
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 20:14
No..... proggers are like the opposite... >.> How could you expect to play insanely complicated music hopped up on dope? I don't know ANYONE who likes prog and does drugs. Sorry to say... <.< ------------- How awesome. A place where I can talk about progressive rock and not hear "IS THIS ONE OF YOUR 50 HOUR LONG SONGS?!?!" I salute you. :D |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 20:17
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Well, 0-4 time a week. I don't concider myself a droogie, just a normal 16 year old boy living in Québec... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 15:25
| ^haha thats pretty damn right... gotta love quebec |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 15:31
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Thats a pretty dumb statement, dope gives you alot of imagination, songs come out nicely and easily... and MANNNYYYY prog bands in the 60's-70's and even now took drugs... So. dont say stupid things like that |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:28
It might do all that for you,but it really messes up your reflexes and reaction time. When I got high as a teenager I used to tape myself practicing drums and would play high and think I was doing great,then listen to it later on when I was straight and realized how much my playing was off. ------------- |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:46
My dad used to be in a jazz band with a tromboneist that would play high and he, apparently, thought that he was at his creative peak and producing fantastic stuff when he was high when he was actually rather crap. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: Alagithil
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:40
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Write while high, play while sober. That'sthe secret!!! I'm clean, but I'm 13, so it doesn't mean THAT much. Still, drugs are not part of my life-plan. That is, taking over the world. ------------- Life is like an avantgarde play because tuna. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:25
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yea exactly. find your inspirations while high, and then create while sober... In profesionnal arts, and music, you'll be surprised knowing how much of the people do drugs. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:31
But if you are truly creative and imaginative you shouldn't need to get stoned to find inspiration. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:44
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^ I completely agree... But ... it is clear that even a person like that taking drugs will have a even wider imagination... It is proved. on weed, you can see your imaginations so clearly, close your eyes and see imagery... same with music, same with drawing, it brings you to this creative section of your brain. I dont wanna sound pro-drugs, there are obviously bad sides to drugs. Just dont abuse and smoke when going to school or anything... but some one who consumes when he has time and nothing on his mind. well, actually I am convinced that he will widen his intelligence, by having new experiences. |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:52
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I think Daniel Gidenlow makes a great point on drugs in this interview (I'd paste it... but these forums don't let me =X) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2511&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2511&a mp;PN=1 -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:57
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You can cut and paste it: PA: What are your views on drugs? DG: If you have a small mind they seem to help you get access to the parts you have shut down. It’s like a shortcut to a visionary state that you can reach anyway if you just let go of your mental limitations put there after years and years in this world. If your mind is already large they will just help you shut down other parts of it. Let’s say they are a shortcut to a place to which you will never find a proper way if you use them. Usually, when a mediocre artist starts doing drugs, they will in fact produce one or two interesting albums, more open-minded than their previous work, then they will just turn sour and never do anything as good again. At least, that’s my impression. I don’t go near them. I have struggled through dense vegetation to find that place anyway, and that journey has done me good. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:06
| Actually. yea, we can all access these altered mind states naturally... by meditation techniques, or transe states, etc... But, please is there a non-stoner here who does that? Theres those tibetan people... yea... But other than that... A PORTION of peopple who go in drugs are already super smart and wanna find out MORE about the universe... and what better way then ingesting a plant that can make you access that information... and what makes you say stoners dont meditate or anything once in a while to obtaint it naturally... Its more about the desire of someone to obtain such altered mind state. I completely disagree with "people with small minds use them." Its probably the wisest people who realize. hek drugs arent bad... what is the meaning of "bad" anyways on this planet. we dont even KNOW the damn meaning of life. why give ourselves limits... |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:15
I think he was generally speaking. I'm sure some people use marijuana to expand their minds and stuff like you mentioned, but that number is quite small. If you are naturally creative, then why bother using a drug? Drugs aren't "bad" but they can mess people up both mentally and physically. I don't think marijuana is bad at all physically, and I'm not even sure why it's illegal, but it can mentally cripple users and force them to become almost dependent on the drug to have a good time (similar to alcohol). -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:24
| Yea i completely agree. If you wanna adventure into drugs. first: have a goal... and dont take it as a way to have "fun"... take it "spiritually". bless it! and you are right... sadly there arent many people who take drugs this way... Finally, drugs can be bad, and they can be good. depending on your purpose. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 22:51
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^ I like the way you think man ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: HighProtein
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 16:06
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I think everyone I've met that was into Prog is clean ------------- http://www.raymondwatts.com |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 18:54
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... well, you probably doesn't know many progger... maybe they are GlassHammer fans, or something like that... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 19:14
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^lol Well, Borealis... you live in Quebec right? (me 2) Just that fact is enough to have alot of stoner friends lol |
Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 22:19
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Drugs don't interest me at all. I think, though, with my long hair and my strange music some people can get the wrong impression... |
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: November 27 2005 at 00:05
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I'm sprinkly clean -------------  you can never have too much Phil Collins! |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:10
Yes I do. I know more people on drugs here than clear ones... ahh, la jeunesse québécoise de nos jours ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 28 2005 at 17:04
haha, eh oui... quelle gagne de buzzers |
Posted By: NecroManiac
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 03:09
I'm clean. Always have been, always will be. But that does not stop people from thinking I'm a stoner 
-------------  What's yer faovrite album? =^_^= |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 13:39
| All kinds of clean here. |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 15:51
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Listen to tool's song third eye. The guy talking reminds me of Bill Hicks now that I think about it, not sure though. Have you listened to the song "The End" from the doors. It's an amazing track IMO but surely a result of being alone in the desert talking LSD. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:07
| yea, being stoned gives you a wider consiousness, wether you believe it or not, if you refuse to believe so, then you're just being stupid. and all those discussions aroud going "did this band use drugs? bla bla bla"... my opinion is , in progressive rock mostly, there must be at least 90% of bands that touched drugs at least once in their life. Drugs arent so bad yo know |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:53
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I'll have a beer when hanging out with friends (which unfortunately doesn't happen often - too busy That's it really. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 18:22
OK, let's share everybody!!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:17
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^ I'm not so sure about that. And I think it doesn't need to be legalized, I dont wanna the governement to put their dirty hands in it... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Andrew Vernon
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 19:43
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I believe that certain drugs give you a connection to the source - call it the planet, god, the other side, whatever. I also believe certain drugs close those doors and turn you into an arrogant t**ser. I like pot, I like mushrooms. Both have given me a clearer understanding of what it is to be creative, and what it is to be human. I look at the people around me who take Ecstasy and snort coke... and they're blithering idiots with no sense of immagination at all. ------------- over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. reaching out to embrace whatever may come. |
Posted By: Andrew Vernon
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 19:45
This is the only thing I will dispute. It most certainly DOES NOT force anyone to become dependant, and it hasn't crippled me in the slightest. People who already have mental issues without drugs though, they should steer well clear, and this includes the religious folk. ------------- over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. reaching out to embrace whatever may come. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:37
Maybe so, but I know for a fact that 100% of bands were not on drugs at least once in their lives. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 22:08
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I don't know about a wider consciousness, but certainly a sketchier consciousness! Now, what was I doing?...
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:22
| Never tried, never will. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:37
| Why? |
Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 12:55
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I've only smoked green a couple of times other than that I'm clean. I'm a proggie not a druggie. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 23:31
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 03:42
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I feel quite well without them. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 03:44
sprinkly clean!! 
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 02:27
| Like a baby's bottom after baby wipes? |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 02:30
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-------------   Reed's failed joke counter: ||||| R.I.P. You could have reached infinity.... |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 04:48
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A bit for me, not regular, sometimes really more than once a month. I'm among those guys who think that a state of modified consciousness can be simply provided by others "mediums", music notably but not prog rock at all...suspended "drone" music is the best to illustrate psycho-acoustic effects! ------------- 
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Posted By: shyman
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 07:40
| I don't do drugs. The only thing I've tried is alcohol and and I drink it ocasionally. Apart from that, nothing. Live is good without drugs, actually |
Posted By: darren
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 07:49
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Only tried hash once. It was Amsterdam, after all. I guess I never tried stuff because the drug heads in highschool were idiots. I don't drink much because if I do, I am hung over for two or three days. Besides, coffee messes me up. I find chocolate irresistable. I can't resist certain foods. There's no way I'd escape anything remotely addictive. I have a talent for messing up people's minds by spinning their own logic or just doing things I know will keep them ill at ease... do you really want to give me anything else?
"I had a bad experience with drugs once. It lasted ten years. I knew I had a problem when Bob Marley fell out of my left nostril." - Kinky Friedman ------------- "they locked up a man who wanted to rule the world. the fools they locked up the wrong man." - Leonard Cohen |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 08:08
| Only on special occasions (I've smoked Hash and Weed a few times). I prefer alcohol though. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 09:13
| Without plants help, prog would not be what it is!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 09:15
| ^yo oliver, do you know Salvia Divinorum (such as 5X extracts, 10X and 20X)? |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 09:36
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Yeah hello, i've tried both 5X and 10X and yes, it's quite powerful! these times, i'm rather on San pedro cactis |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 13 2005 at 09:41
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^coollll. yea 20X sure packs a punch Damn, where do you get your cactis?? I wanna try petote and all those things, maybe Datura. |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 21:59
is Sampedro actually -------------
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Posted By: smokey
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 22:30
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Hey Everyone. Yea I must admit you can call me a Prog Druggie. I blaze all the time. Smoke Hash when it comes around. Munch Mushrooms and do Salvia occasionally. I also do acid, theres pics on my myspace to prove it. Thats it. -Justin |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:48
| Alcohol is my only poison. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:53
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Well, I heard you like to do crack....
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:00
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No, I’m sprinkly clean! ------------- |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 14:52
My opinion! I've never taken drugs and I won't take them in the future! |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 20:08
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I can't accept all you saying "I never did drugs, I don't need that, I prefer music"... How the hell can pretend that when you know what the effects are? I'm sorry, that's just over me. I can go with someone saying he doesn't like drugs, or just think music better, but he has to at least have done it once to have an unbiaised opinion... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 04:14
I never did music - I don't need that; I never tried it I prefer drugs  
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 05:24
Tried weed once, about 13 years ago... and did it again only 29 895 times |
Posted By: I|I|I|I|I
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 08:21
Good call on the Kinky Friedman quote. I have a love/hate relationship with drugs, marijauna in particular. Yes, I smoke it every so often - about once a month (though more in the summer and less in the winter, but this is an average). I've since been able to access the parts of my mind I've accessed through marijauna through focused meditation, though it takes a longer time to get in that state and it's much easier to break out of it. The thing about marijauna is it forces you into that state until the effects wear off, whereas it's much harder to attain such a state through meditation. However, when I have found myself within said state, it's far more intense than anytime while I was high. According to some Buddhist traditions, it's actually just a mere step to enlightenment. So if you smoke pot often, you're really just cheating yourself by thinking you have found the highest state of being when it's really just the gateway to even better states. That being said, I still smoke pot occassionally because it's fun. I'm not looking to attain higher states of being with marijuana because I realize that I won't. The function of marijauna to me, at this point, is simply to indulge a little - just like one eats junk food, drinks alcohol, or engages in other uneccessary but enjoyable activities. Perhaps it might be better for me to stop, but I doubt it can do any amount of damage that will seriously destroy my abilities/talents. Oh, and making music while high is fun but sounds like crap. Everyone knows that. I prefer to make music while I'm sober, because it's plain that it's better. ------------- Go and listen to my music. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31725 |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 08:41
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"I'm not looking to attain higher states of being with marijuana because I realize that I won't" You can say it's artificial, but the fact is that you're in a higher level of consciousness. And what's interesting is that you become aware of the terrible "ordinary" state of mind. That's what our french writter poet Charles Duits wrote in substance about his Peyotl experience: "I was expecting dreams, illusions, like the Beaudelaire descriptions, and instead, the Peyotl revealed me reality, the land of real". That's why he renamed "Hallucinogens" : "Lucidogens". |
Posted By: I|I|I|I|I
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 13:20
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In the end, you won't attain a higher state of mind with Marijuana. Though it boosts you to the preliminary levels, you find yourself unable to progress higher if you use marijauna to certain degrees. The only reason I still do it occasionally is because it's a tad bit different than just meditating, since you can't be distracted from your state as easily. That's fun, and in my opinion, is harmless if I only do it once in a while (which is less than once a month these days). ------------- Go and listen to my music. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31725 |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 14:59
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Weed is neutral IMO. It only exagerates your initial state of mind. It can increases your thought flow as it can help you to reach inner silence. |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 16:01
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For me, weed can be a very liberating experience, I find that it helps get my mind out of ruts, that is, usual ways of thinking that I don't question any longer. Weed helps me respond slightly differently, usually with more good humor and intellectual curiosity, than if I'm just having a regular day, tuning out most of the phenomena around me, thinking of the usual stuff. I agree with the earlier post that pot needs to be used sparingly, like once or a month or so, in order for its effects to be most appreciated. And that's the hard part for me sometimes, to not obsess about it and think about doing it. I try to forget that I even have it around. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 18:18
| That's true |
Posted By: dralan
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 17:56
| I used to think I had to be high or drunk to fully appreciate good music, but now that Im clean and sober music sounds better than ever. And I find my tastes in music are more refined. Not much Sabbath and Zeppelin these days, more Bach and Mozart LOL. Actually pot just makes me depressed and paranoid anymore. Im too old for that sh*t hehe. |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 18:52
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Never tried smoking anything. Don't plan too.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 09:32
never taken drugs and I don't plan to  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Bodins/?chartstyle=DarkSide5Big"> 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 10:18
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